India decides to lift ban on Italian defence manufacturing giant Leonardo

[Tejas Spokesman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1456958643706810375

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Ali_Baba]

Would be interesting to see if India can now manage to lure Leonardo away from Pakistan with its usual snake oil trick of promising a better future of lots of sales if only it would stop selling to Pakistan ...

 

[Invicta]

Would be interesting to see if India can now manage to lure Leonardo away from Pakistan with its usual snake oil trick of promising a better future of lots of sales if only it would stop selling to Pakistan ...

Unlikely to work the Italians are not like the French, if anything they will be more cautious of agreeing any deals with India to spite Pakistan "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush"

 

[HalfMoon]

Would be interesting to see if India can now manage to lure Leonardo away from Pakistan with its usual snake oil trick of promising a better future of lots of sales if only it would stop selling to Pakistan ...

Sweden and Italy are pro-Pakistan. They will never support India.

 

[SD 10]

Well..... this is some interesting development.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Sweden and Italy are pro-Pakistan. They will never support India.

Sweden is Pro-CIA. They manufacture and sell surveillance and communication equipment for CIA under Swedish companies . In return US let them use their technology and also they keep the profit from sales.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Well it’s not like Italy and Leonardo are gonna forget that they were banned, but even if you put money into the equation, one has to realize that the European countries have a lot of competition among each other too, if india buys something from Italy that France already makes, then France won’t be happy, and given Indias current defense relations with France, that’s not something they’ll want…besides, the French will just bribe some more Indian officials, the Indians will happily take the bribes, and there you go.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Well it’s not like Italy and Leonardo are gonna forget that they were banned, but even if you put money into the equation, one has to realize that the European countries have a lot of competition among each other too, if india buys something from Italy that France already makes, then France won’t be happy, and given Indias current defense relations with France, that’s not something they’ll want…besides, the French will just bribe some more Indian officials, the Indians will happily take the bribes, and there you go.

When you think about it, there aren't many suppliers who've dropped Pakistan for India. Rather, we just didn't make it worth the supplier's time. E.g., in the 1970s, the PAF was looking for a dedicated attack aircraft. It narrowed its options to the Jaguar and A-7. It was for 100+ aircraft. The UK said it was happy to sell us Jaguars, even though it was selling that plane to India too. I think the French would've played ball with us if we skipped the F-16s and put the money towards the Rafale, or take up their Marlin (instead of Type 214), and so on. No matter how you cut it, a billion dollars is a billion dollars.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Sweden and Italy are pro-Pakistan. They will never support India.

No one is pro anything including the French all want money. The French just supplied helicopters to Pakistan so they can destroy the Indian military.
K

 

[Deltadart]

Indians with their financial clout, inflated egos, not to mention their notorious banya mentality, have been stringing along most western defense contractors with the false promises of buying some of their major defense equipments.

While most European vendors have caught on to the Indian scams, but some are still desperate for sales to india, that will never materialize, because of US, Russia, Israel, and made in India factors.

I see this devious move by India to deliberately target Italy just to spite Pakistan. Let's see how the italians will handle this new situation, and how we respond to this new emerging scenario.

 

[sparten]

When you think about it, there aren't many suppliers who've dropped Pakistan for India. Rather, we just didn't make it worth the supplier's time. E.g., in the 1970s, the PAF was looking for a dedicated attack aircraft. It narrowed its options to the Jaguar and A-7. It was for 100+ aircraft. The UK said it was happy to sell us Jaguars, even though it was selling that plane to India too. I think the French would've played ball with us if we skipped the F-16s and put the money towards the Rafale, or take up their Marlin (instead of Type 214), and so on. No matter how you cut it, a billion dollars is a billion dollars.

Strike Aircraft from western countries have always been iffy post start of our nuclear program.
We have bought F16 since the Mirage III buy in 1967 and that’s it.
“We are happy to sell” has always meant “we are happy for you to reach a Agreement with us, and pay us money so we can start a production line and create jobs, but whether you actually get them, sorry, no promises”
The UK backed out of us buying Tornado and Tyohoons post Jaguar. The French laughed when we wanted Rafales in the 2000’s.
We all know what happened with the Mirage 2000 buy.
Give up nukes, and see F35 with full TOT next week.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Strike Aircraft from western countries have always been iffy post start of our nuclear program.
We have bought F16 since the Mirage III buy in 1967 and that’s it.
“We are happy to sell” has always meant “we are happy for you to reach a Agreement with us, and pay us money so we can start a production line and create jobs, but whether you actually get them, sorry, no promises”
The UK backed out of us buying Tornado and Tyohoons post Jaguar. The French laughed when we wanted Rafales in the 2000’s.
We all know what happened with the Mirage 2000 buy.
Give up nukes, and see F35 with full TOT next week.

That's true. These days though, the strike-capable aircraft could probably come if we had the money, but they'd be locked down in every conceivable manner to prevent nuclear use -- e.g., tight limits on weapon integration, on-site observers, reports on where the planes are going, and why, etc.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Would be interesting to see if India can now manage to lure Leonardo away from Pakistan with its usual snake oil trick of promising a better future of lots of sales if only it would stop selling to Pakistan ...

I see this devious move by India to deliberately target Italy just to spite Pakistan. Let's see how the italians will handle this new situation, and how we respond to this new emerging scenario.

Y'all are over thinking this. It has nothing to do with Pakistan at all. They were put on black list because Italian investigators caught Agusta Westland owned by Leonardo to be bribing Indian middlemen and officials for AW helicopter deal. Italian government shared the details and we blacklisted them, however the AW employees in Italy were acquitted and since then our government have started communicating with them.