India could strike Pakistan with nuclear weapons first to pre-empt attack

[EpiiC]

WRONG......EPIC FAIL.......That sounds like the same vehement indian claims that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. We all know what happened to that indianism. Just as then so is now.

Pakistan has had thermonuclear/H-bomb capability since AT LEAST early 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/12

Fact is that Pakistan has enough nukes with extremely high yields to wipe india off the face of the planet. That's why india is now considering the possibility of a pre-emptive nuclear 1st strike on us. That is why india was so weak, powerless and helpless to attack Pakistan after mumbai 2008 and uri 2016 even though they are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege.

The indian military high command are well aware of Pakistan's TRUE military capabilities.





Pakistan already has a minimum 2nd strike deterent as we have SLCM capability:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1307531

The same source says Pakistan has currently low yield weapons contradicting your statement of extremely high yields...

"Pakistan appears to want warheads small enough to fit on cruise missiles it is currently developing. It also may want larger yield (50-100 kiloton) fission weapons that can cause far more damage to Indian cities than its current relatively low-yield weapons. In addition, plutonium-based fission weapons could enable Pakistan to build deliverable thermonuclear weapons (i.e., hydrogen bombs)."

A proper 2nd strike capability is from SLBM where you can put multiple warheads on, one can't put multiple warheads on SLCM....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The same source says Pakistan has currently low yield weapons contradicting your statement of extremely high yields...

"Pakistan appears to want warheads small enough to fit on cruise missiles it is currently developing. It also may want larger yield (50-100 kiloton) fission weapons that can cause far more damage to Indian cities than its current relatively low-yield weapons. In addition, plutonium-based fission weapons could enable Pakistan to build deliverable thermonuclear weapons (i.e., hydrogen bombs)."

A proper 2nd strike capability is from SLBM where you can put multiple warheads on, one can't put multiple warheads on SLCM....

That was back in 2

The same source says Pakistan has currently low yield weapons contradicting your statement of extremely high yields...

"Pakistan appears to want warheads small enough to fit on cruise missiles it is currently developing. It also may want larger yield (50-100 kiloton) fission weapons that can cause far more damage to Indian cities than its current relatively low-yield weapons. In addition, plutonium-based fission weapons could enable Pakistan to build deliverable thermonuclear weapons (i.e., hydrogen bombs)."

A proper 2nd strike capability is from SLBM where you can put multiple warheads on, one can't put multiple warheads on SLCM....

That was with reference to current trends in 2011. Since having plutonium production in early 2011, that situation has completely changed. Which is why Pakistan is buliding a massive underground nuclear weapons storage facility:

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/ep...ear-warhead-storage-facility-in-Balochis.html


A year ago, indians claimed it would be decades before we could test a SLCM yet we did it in January. Just as with indian claims with regards to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, I think we can take ALL indian opinions and assessments with regards to anything Pakistan centric with a pinch of salt.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

In last 70 years none of the extremist was elected as a prime minister in Pakistan, however in your country this doesn't seem to be true.

We'll talk when any of Indian political outfits or leaders get so much as a censure, let alone a ban, from any international body, let alone UN.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, an internationally recognized terrorist forms a political party and clearly has high ambitions and another internationally recognized terrorist chills out in his posh residence in Karachi, while Pakistan keeps whining about resolutions of that same international body.

Accept it. Nobody believes you. You have zero credibility anywhere in the world except, maybe, with your new bankers in Shanghai.

It's not all Indian lobbying and propaganda. Our 'product' has some substance too. You are a terrorist country, your Army is responsible for that, and there's truth in it. It's not all lobbying and propaganda all the time.

 

[idune]

As if Pakistan nuclear assets are all in one place. And indian knows all details where these are. Fact is indians are trying to create controversy and diversion from border conflict with China so that it can pull back. Now indians in "places" are acting on hindu extremist regime and establishment command to create such diversion.

 

[Vapnope]

We'll talk when any of Indian political outfits or leaders get so much as a censure, let alone a ban, from any international body, let alone UN.

Your ignorance regarding the matter is mind boggling. Modi was banned into US and UK for like 10 years. Tell me one such PM from Pakistan who was banned by any country for this long.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, an internationally recognized terrorist forms a political party and clearly has high ambitions and another internationally recognized terrorist chills out in his posh residence in Karachi, while Pakistan keeps whining about resolutions of that same international body.

Some Indian posters here are a funny lot. Broad claims of Dawood Ibrahim in Karachi are made like they know exactly where he lives, last time RAW gave the address of Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan, was the home of Maleeha Lodhi.

It's not all Indian lobbying and propaganda. Our 'product' has some substance too. You are a terrorist country, your Army is responsible for that, and there's truth in it. It's not all lobbying and propaganda all the time.

Terrorist country Haha Someone is still traumatized by failed isolation attempts.

 

[war&peace]

Pakistans fat man like bombs are barely going to kill 10's of millions of Indians.

Only mentally disabled will believe that Pakistan is only producing low yield miniaturised nukes and yield has not increased significantly since 1998. Pakistan nuke test were 100% successful while Indian test failed terribly and still you are thinking that India has thermonukes while it failed according to India's own scientists.
Pakistan has working thermonuclear devices and those will be used when needed.

 

[ashok321]

India could strike Pakistan with nuclear weapons first to pre-empt attack


What?

India is unable to revoke the MFN status on Pakistan and/or revoke the IWT.

This type of nation would pre-empt Pakistan?

 

[Major Sam]

Pakistans fat man like bombs are barely going to kill 10's of millions of Indians.

so you think after this India will stay united as they were before 1947? our aim is to disintegrate them in to smaller state and they will.

The same source says Pakistan has currently low yield weapons contradicting your statement of extremely high yields...

"Pakistan appears to want warheads small enough to fit on cruise missiles it is currently developing. It also may want larger yield (50-100 kiloton) fission weapons that can cause far more damage to Indian cities than its current relatively low-yield weapons. In addition, plutonium-based fission weapons could enable Pakistan to build deliverable thermonuclear weapons (i.e., hydrogen bombs)."

A proper 2nd strike capability is from SLBM where you can put multiple warheads on, one can't put multiple warheads on SLCM....

Let me explain it you for cruise missile we need miniature fissile material. For ballistic missiles we already have upto 200KT. Its allabout space smaller the space smaller fissile material you need to put in it with much more efficiency.

 

[EpiiC]

so you think after this India will stay united as they were before 1947? our aim is to disintegrate them in to smaller state and they will.

Possibly but India has SLBM 2nd strike capability.

so you think after this India will stay united as they were before 1947? our aim is to disintegrate them in to smaller state and they will.



Let me explain it you for cruise missile we need miniature fissile material. For ballistic missiles we already have upto 200KT. Its allabout space smaller the space smaller fissile material you need to put in it with much more efficiency.

I've read about max potential yield up to 60-100KT, where did you get up to 200KT?

 

[Major Sam]

Possibly but India has SLBM 2nd strike capability.


I've read about max potential yield up to 60-100KT, where did you get up to 200KT?

Their SLBM is not operational yet.
With Ababeel and Shaheen 3 the most probable yield will b 200KT or more. Ofcourse their will b no authentic information. only rumors.

 

[EpiiC]

Their SLBM is not operational yet.
With Ababeel and Shaheen 3 the most probable yield will b 200KT or more. Ofcourse their will b no authentic information. only rumors.

How many warheads each on Ababeel and Shaheen III?

 

[desimorty]

Fact is that Pakistan has enough nukes with extremely high yields to wipe india off the face of the planet. That's why india is now considering the possibility of a pre-emptive nuclear 1st strike on us. That is why india was so weak, powerless and helpless to attack Pakistan after mumbai 2008 and uri 2016 even though they are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege.

The indian military high command are well aware of Pakistan's TRUE military capabilities.

You have your head in your butt?
2008- India may have retaliated in similar manor to punish those that may be supporting what happened in India. The middle ranks who apparently according to your own politicians have mixed loyalties. I need not mention the incident.
2001- MMS walked away, looked like coward, but Musharaff doesn't talk crap about him. I wonder why? He knows, that MMS is the better man, because he wasn't chauvinistic. He saved Musharaff face at the expense of his own. What happened next? Your govt. did 180 on the Kashmir support. Still not what India wants, but LeT and Kashmir support is drastically reduced.
Either of these moments,
India did not consider superiority of Pakistani nukes. Neither did Pakistan question the effectiviness of theirs, or the Indians. Reason was minimal deterrence. Even a conventional modern war, would destroy Pakistani power supply, knocking out hospitals, houses, water pumps etc...
A nuclear exchange even if 1 would kill civilians, and even the children, relatives of India, and Pakistani Parliamentary members.
So let me ask. If a nuke heads to your city-in the city your sleeping in and you get a call saying a Indian nuke is heading towards your city in 30 mins. Do stop to ask, how big is yield?

“There is increasing evidence that India will not allow Pakistan to go first,” Vipin Narang, a nuclear strategist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said at a conference on nuclear policy hosted by Carnegie, a think tank, yesterday.

Good move IMO. If India does deploy warheads to missiles at the same time Pakistan does, there is more of chance of actually knocking out Pakistani missiles/capabilities before they launch them all. Because your not going to launch a single warhead. Also stresses Pakistan to actually have a red line with India and holding its non-state actors. Brinkman ship. Question is, can India and Pakistan have something like the Russians and US mechanism to avoid misinformation? Communication is the key. Could help in the long term peace atleast on the immediate borders. Also do we consider China? I would. If India gets nuked, I'd nuke China as well, which is probably why Beijing gave up Musharraf in Kargil.

 

[Major Sam]

How many warheads each on Ababeel and Shaheen III?

Shaeen III has one and Ababeel will have 3-4 Warheads of shaheen III.