India could be part of elite anti-missile grouping next week

[#hydra#]

nope..member of MTCR can share Missile and drone tech among themselves..

read this...

The US has supported India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) that would enable it to share sensitive missile technologies like armed drone with New Delhi.

US Supports India's Membership to Missile Technology Control Regime

just like US Reaper drone is in service of Italy,France,UK and Netherlands.

we're not sharing our missile tech with anyone,so why should it be a curse?

No no,MTCR signatory means we will be forbidden to collaborate with foreign countries. Remember we may have to collaborate with Israel,Vietnam in future. Also MTCR agreement won't assure any 300km+ missile/drone business by other countries with us.

 

[GR!FF!N]

No no,MTCR signatory means we will be forbidden to collaborate with foreign countries. Remember we may have to collaborate with Israel,Vietnam in future. Also MTCR agreement won't assure any 300km+ missile/drone business by other countries with us.

no my friend..

MTCR has no bind over its members,rather it simply is an informal understanding.

it was posted here..please read it.

 

[ThaniOruvan]

This is a wasteful activity.
The fact that India, Pakistan and China have their indigenous delivery system already what relevance does this MTCR has to us ?
If at all we join this what are the benefits ? I think joining this is like putting a curb on ourselves.

 

[ThaniOruvan]

No one know exactly what are the benefits.
I guess now we could get MIRV and ICBM technology

Not convincing.
Sir, we already have ICBM. MIRV is under development.
Within few years we will have these two fully operational.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Could Italy's nonsense really stop India from getting entry into this regime?

think about it, do you really think they care about two marines? or do you think they care about something else.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

think about it, do you really think they care about two marines? or do you think they care about something else.

It is true recently Italy has been courted by another country more on economic front but growing bonhomie is visible.. (Which is good). A more concrete Military relationship is possible
Pakistan, Italy agree to boost ties - thenews.com.pk

Now coming to possible consensus issues, i am inserting from earlier post

There are currently 34 countries that are members (Partners) of the MTCR: Argentina (1993); Australia (1990); Austria (1991); Belgium (1990); Brazil (1995); Bulgaria (2004); Canada (1987); Czech Republic (1998); Denmark (1990); Finland (1991); France (1987); Germany (1987); Greece 1992); Hungary (1993); Iceland (1993); Ireland (1992); Italy (1987); Japan (1987); Luxemburg (1990); Netherlands (1990); New Zealand (1991); Norway (1990); Poland (1998); Portugal (1992); Republic of Korea (2001); Russian Federation (1995); South Africa (1995); Spain (1990); Sweden (1991); Switzerland (1992); Turkey (1997); Ukraine (1998); United Kingdom (1987); United States of America (1987). The date in brackets represents the initial year of membership.
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Among these countries which can form a lobby and make everybody say NO or delay the inevitable? Can we even guess other than Italy (rumored of course)

No no,MTCR signatory means we will be forbidden to collaborate with foreign countries. Remember we may have to collaborate with Israel,Vietnam in future. Also MTCR agreement won't assure any 300km+ missile/drone business by other countries with us.

Again posting from my earlier post

• What MTCR membership could provide India, however, is access to certain items controlled by the MTCR, whose export is permitted if the regime and its members do not find the export contributing to a “project of concern.” As has been noted exports of Category I items are subject to the presumption of denial and are only allowed in exceptional cases.

• On the other hand, transfer of dual-use technologies and items covered under Category II are allowed if the export is deemed to not be contributing to proliferation of missile systems capable of delivering WMDs. Such exceptions and transfers are invariably linked to the understanding between the recipient state and the supplier state that is a member of the MTCR.

• As has also been highlighted, MTCR does not have a formal mechanism to enforce its guidelines on its members. It is therefore upto the supplier state to assess if the export of MTCR controlled items to the recipient state will contribute to a “project of concern” and if an exception to the presumption to deny Category I items can be made.

• If the recipient state were to get a membership in the MTCR, it will primarily be based on a political understanding among all MTCR members that the recipient state will not contribute to WMD proliferation.

• Inevitably, this political understanding will also reflect on each MTCR supplier state's assessment of any export to that recipient state. For instance, the US gives preference to some nations and entities over others for export of missile and related dual-use technologies, covered by the MTCR.

• Following Obama's November 2010 announcement of the US commitment of bringing India into the MTCR, along with other three export control bodies, all of the Indian defence and space related entities were removed from the US Entity List in January 2011.

• Some Indian defence and space entities, however, continue to remain in the similar entity lists of other MTCR members. Once India becomes a member of the MTCR, the probability of it receiving higher preference—and thus exception to import MTCR controlled items from other MTCR members—will significantly increase.

• In essence, MTCR membership does not translate into India getting free access to all available space and missile technologies. However, with India's entry into MTCR, the possibility of it availing 'license exceptions', for instance under US export control regulations and 'general export authorisations' under EU regulations, would ease the access to MTCR controlled high technology and dual-use items.

What it implies is directly top end dual use tech like drones of USA is possible to be offered or the tech part which USA had denied for Indian UAV programs.
In essence we can have now Yakhont directly and don need to downgrade it to Brahmos. So we can see the russian advanced missile fuel tech transfer (if we quote the right price and bargain hard) and see better transfer of tech.
It also opens the door of buying INS Chakra to N Sub post leasing without raising many eyebrows


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[Abingdonboy]

think about it, do you really think they care about two marines? or do you think they care about something else.

Hell no they don't care about 2 individuals, what the leadership care about in these troubled times is projecting themselves as effective and strong to their populace. Italy is getting battered from all sides- the economy and now the flood of migrants turning up at their door, the last thing their establishment want to do is been seeing capitulating to an inferior nation (I have no doubt this is how the vast majority of Europeans feel about India).

t is true recently Italy has been courted by another country more on economic front but growing bonhomie is visible.. (Which is good). A more concrete Military relationship is possible
Pakistan, Italy agree to boost ties - thenews.com.pk

Come on, Pakistan is not India's equal in the economic, military or geopolitical arenas. No nation is going to place their ties with India on the line for Pakistan. This is reading far too much into it.

 

[Rocky25]

So when is the date they decide?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Hell no they don't care about 2 individuals, what the leadership care about in these troubled times is projecting themselves as effective and strong to their populace. Italy is getting battered from all sides- the economy and now the flood of migrants turning up at their door, the last thing their establishment want to do is been seeing capitulating to an inferior nation (I have no doubt this is how the vast majority of Europeans feel about India).

your views of how india is protray by europeans is false, to an extent. a good example is to turn to france. submarines
rafales even though its not 126 as originally anticipated and 250 a320 series jets for a single airline. its good.even Italy, they built your deepak tankers. you will find it that countries like spain and italy and other southern EU countries have the issue of economic difficulties and the threat of india growing will annoy them. western eu countries like France, Germany and here in the UK, will not see you as a threat, as they have more leverage than you. than again that does not mean italy has leverage too. im not sure but i think they can halt india's entry into the mtrc.

 

[#hydra#]

no my friend..

MTCR has no bind over its members,rather it simply is an informal understanding.

it was posted here..please read it.

Then what's great in signing this MTCR? after being signatory US sold long-range cruise missiles to its allies and they even sold there nuke missiles to UK, but its United states of America & we are not USA.I know MTCR is not legally prohibiting any of its member to sell there missiles, but have to face a strong diplomatic pressure from other members. Uncle sam can very well dodge such pressure but we can't. So its better not to being a MTCR signatory and violate its objectives. we can work outside MTCR umbrella.

No one know exactly what are the benefits.
I guess now we could get MIRV and ICBM technology

"MIRV & ICBM technology for business" please don't misguide others.

It is true recently Italy has been courted by another country more on economic front but growing bonhomie is visible.. (Which is good). A more concrete Military relationship is possible
Pakistan, Italy agree to boost ties - thenews.com.pk

Now coming to possible consensus issues, i am inserting from earlier post


Among these countries which can form a lobby and make everybody say NO or delay the inevitable? Can we even guess other than Italy (rumored of course)



Again posting from my earlier post





What it implies is directly top end dual use tech like drones of USA is possible to be offered or the tech part which USA had denied for Indian UAV programs.
In essence we can have now Yakhont directly and don need to downgrade it to Brahmos. So we can see the russian advanced missile fuel tech transfer (if we quote the right price and bargain hard) and see better transfer of tech.
It also opens the door of buying INS Chakra to N Sub post leasing without raising many eyebrows


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Please go through pont no:14
The Missile Technology Control Regime

 

[JanjaWeed]

Lol..

That line did sound funny...like how Guinea pigs are used for testing in medical profession.

 

[StormShadow]

That line did sound funny...like how Guinea pigs are used for testing in medical profession.

Again Lol..

 

[SipahSalar]

3. Who belongs to the MTCR?
There are currently 34 countries that are members (Partners) of the MTCR: Argentina (1993); Australia (1990); Austria (1991); Belgium (1990); Brazil (1995); Bulgaria (2004); Canada (1987); Czech Republic (1998); Denmark (1990); Finland (1991); France (1987); Germany (1987); Greece 1992); Hungary (1993); Iceland (1993); Ireland (1992); Italy (1987); Japan (1987); Luxemburg (1990); Netherlands (1990); New Zealand (1991); Norway (1990); Poland (1998); Portugal (1992); Republic of Korea (2001); Russian Federation (1995); South Africa (1995); Spain (1990); Sweden (1991); Switzerland (1992); Turkey (1997); Ukraine (1998); United Kingdom (1987); United States of America (1987). The date in brackets represents the initial year of membership.

Wow! Now India can be a member alongside other ELITE countries like Iceland (population 300,000) and Czech Republic. Well done India!

I hope Pakistan does not become a signatory to MTCR, since if you become a member, you can't export missiles with ranges longer than 250KM and can't export armed drones. Since I think we might be looking to export our Burraqs and Ra'ads, I don't like the idea of joining up.

 

[Luca1]

nope..member of MTCR can share Missile and drone tech among themselves..

read this...

The US has supported India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) that would enable it to share sensitive missile technologies like armed drone with New Delhi.

US Supports India's Membership to Missile Technology Control Regime

just like US Reaper drone is in service of Italy,France,UK and Netherlands.

we're not sharing our missile tech with anyone,so why should it be a curse?

It's because India has nothing worthy to share.

 

[Hindustani78]

It's because India has nothing worthy to share.

come on.

India is going to join MTCR and this would let India to sell Missile systems to friendly countries.

Akash, a surface-to-air missile, has a range of 25 km. Prahar is a 150 km-range tactical missile system. Several countries have shown interest in the Akash missile system, which was ready to be inducted into the Army.

Already Vietnam, Indonesia and Venezuela have expressed willingness to buy Indian Missile Systems.