By same people I am not saying a Sindhi is same as a Punjabi or a Rajput is same as say a Choora..
but the Rajputs are same ... and spread all over etc..
There are actually very few people in Pakistan who did not have a non Muslim caste/tribe/ethnic counterpart in India.. except for baloch and Pashtuns..
Even so the whole argument of "we are the same" is irrelevant and incorrect, because (assuming your assertion is true for the moment), you are comparing some groups of people in Pakistan, with some groups of people in India (that are a small minority of the total Indian population) - that does not make all Indians and Pakistanis "the same people".
You could take the small number of Jews in India then and claim that the "Israelis and Indians are the same people" since there are some similarities there - its still incorrect.
What would be appropriate is if you started a thread on "Rajputs in South Asia" or something like that and discussed those "clan" similarities.
I believe IVC like culture was also found in UP..
Taxila was also a centre of learning like Nalanda..
therefore to call IVC Pakistani is wrong it was the culture of Northern Sub-continent..
There is an entire thread on that very issue, you could go through it and answer the issues raised. But the salient points are that the majority of the "neutrally verified IVC" lies in present day Pakistan, as do the "neutrally verified centers of the IVC". We are not suggesting that there were "no great civilizations in India", just that there remains little neutrally verified evidence that the sites in India were part of the IVC. I'll leave it at that, and you can pick it up in the relevant thread.
See .. the language spoken in Pakistan is same/similar to languages spoken in India..
the traditions and customs followed are also same/similar..
the kind of Islam practised is also same/similar..
Actually, RR would take issue with the "same Islam" aspect, since I believe that he has mentioned that the "Indian Deobandi School of thought" was developed in current day India, and is not native to Pakistan. But I am not as well versed about that subject so I'll leave it to him to clarify.
With respect to the "traditions and customs" - you have already stated that within India those vary quite a bit, as do languages and features, so the comparison between similarities of a minority of cultures in India with some groups in Pakistan does not validate the claim that "we are the same people". It is still a handpicked comparison of specific groups of people, who happen to be in the minority on one country.
Again, why not simply talk about Rajput's then?
What I am saying there has not been a significant level of isolation that we become different..
Culture As such, it includes codes of manners, dress, language, religion, rituals, norms of behavior such as law and morality, and systems of belief as well as the arts and gastronomy....
no matter what you say what ever Culture of Pakistan something similar is being followed in India.. though mostly in Northern Region and in disparate locations(for Urdu customs)..
As for the Pashtun and Baloch customs they are unique to Pakistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan and Iran..
rest are shared..
And for ethnicities almost all Pakistani subgroups have a Non Muslim Indian counterpart..
as I said after several more centuries of isolation and rise of nationalism etc.. etc.. our culture will become divergent till then "We are the same" .. Desi..
The culture is already divergent within India, you have claimed that yourself - now how can you then claim that Pakistani and Indian culture is the same, when you admitted that there is no thing as a "Homogeneous Indian culture"?
You are once again making comparisons between handpicked sections of people to illustrate that there are similarities.
Cultures evolve and change from interactions between other cultures - India has two very large "cultural groups" (that I can think of right now) that would affect it differently, and allow it to evolve (has evolved) in a different direction from that of Pakistan. Indian has Bengali culture etc. in the East, and it has South Indian culture, along with your North Indian Culture.
Pakistan on the other hand has no influences or interactions (generally speaking) from anything close to either of those two (Bengali, South Indian cultures). Our interactions have historically been with Persia, Central Asia, North India etc. So it stands to reason that as cultures evolve over time due to interactions with other cultures surrounding them, Pakistani culture would evolve differently from Indian culture due to the different influences on them.
