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Look at feasibility. How many nukes can Vietnam afford ? Are they ready to invest billions to get just one ? China has huge nuclear arsenal and its a vast country. Even if Vietnam somehow able to get its hands on nukes and somehow detonate one in China, you can imagine the fate of Vietnam. Secondly, China has no first use policy. Considering its conventional power and technological advantage it has over Vietnam, nukes may not even be considered.

Nukes come into play when there are countries with similar and low gap in capabilities. When conventional edge is not there, then nukes come into play. Look at case of US-USSR, US-China, India-Pakistan etc. Nukes will only come into play when there is very little difference in conventional firepower or if CFP of one nation is overwhelmed by the other.

Nukes are useful for those countries which have low firepower compared to their adversary. In this case its best option for Vietnam. China may have no first use, Vietnam does not need to have NFU. Also China may have many times more nukes but still it doent mean CHina would be willing to take 10-20 nukes on its cities likes Beijing, shanghai etc.

for the billions, Vietnam does't need 100s of nukes. 20-30 with strong and reliable delivery platforms like Agni are sufficient. They don't even need the industry to make nukes, just off the shelf ready made nukes would be good for them.
 
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Nukes are useful for those countries which have low firepower compared to their adversary. In this case its best option for Vietnam. China may have no first use, Vietnam does not need to have NFU. Also China may have many times more nukes but still it doent mean CHina would be willing to take 10-20 nukes on its cities likes beijing, shanghai etc.

How much investment can they make to get hold on centrifuge technology and detonation device? US spent around 5 trillion (by present value) back in the cold war era to improve detonation efficiency.
 
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中印领土争端解决方法的国际法研究
The research on the solution of China-India territorial dispute through international law
Abstract:
Territorial disputes,as the scope of public international law,is
the problem that countries which are subjects of international law in the
process of the emergence and development inevitable to encounter,in the
development process China also has territorial disputes between
neighboring countries,but most have been successfully resolved,and now
the most representative territorial dispute which is left is the
territorial dispute between China and India.Territorial dispute between
China and India arises long time ago and has experienced a continuous
history of the development process,China has been committed to the
peaceful settlement of territorial disputes,and has also taken a series
of measures,but has not found a smooth solution yet.How to find a
successful solution to the territorial dispute between China and India
has become a subject of international law which cannot be ignored.
First of all,the emergence of territorial dispute solutions between
China and India must be related to international law theory,specifically
including the existing settlement patterns and territorial disputes in
the specific way of territorial disputes;Second,we must learn from
successful resolution of international territorial disputes,as an
example of smooth settlement of territorial disputes between China and
Russia and struggle for White Cay between Singapore and Malaysia;Again
the study of the basis of the territorial dispute between China and India
should be combined with China's specific national conditions.
The target of resolving territorial disputes between China and India
is first to preserve our territorial integrity and sovereignty and second
to make the surrounding stability and maintain regional stability andworld peace.The basic principle is to have a smooth solution to
territorial disputes between China and India based on Five Principles of
Peaceful Coexistence,on existing international law and on the basis of
equality and voluntary.The content of territorial dispute solution
between China and India is first to combine political methods and legal
methods,to increase attention on the solving the dispute through
international courts and international arbitration on the base of
continuing consultations and negotiations and use the two together;
Second to combine Maintaining the status and solving step by step,
specifically,to maintain the status before the territorial disputes
successfully resolved,meanwhile considering the specific circumstances
of territorial disputes between China and India,a flexible attitude
should be adopted and to resolve the dispute should be step by step in
accordance with the process easy to difficult;Third to combine moderate
concessions and appropriate use of force,in the process of resolving the
territorial dispute,in order to finally reach an agreement,complete
settlement of disputes,some concessions can be made on the base of all
self-interest demands and meanwhile China do not take the initiative to
use force,China is forced to use force,not to fight for territory,but
to make the two sides back to the peaceful settlement track,on the base
of safeguarding its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
The research on the territorial dispute resolution between China and
India can be a reference to the smooth settlement of the territorial
dispute between China and India and can also become a reference to
resolving the territorial dispute between China and other countries.
one part of the paper
四、中印领土争端解决方法的探讨 Study of the method of solving the Sino-Indian territorial dispute
(一)中印领土争端解决方法的内容
1、处理中印领土争端的目标
中印领土争端解决的目标一是维护我国的领土和主权完整,二是顺利解决同
印度之间的领土争端,稳定周边,维护地区稳定和世界和平。这两个目标之间具
有逻辑上的一致性,首先,维护我国的领土和主权完整,就需要解决好同印度之
间的领土争端,需要地区稳定和世界和平的大的外部环境的支撑;而处理好同印
度之间的领土争端,实现了地区稳定和世界和平则有利于维护我国领土和主权的
完整。
2、处理中印领土争端的原则
在和平共处五项原则的基础上,以现行的国际法作为依据,在平等自愿的基
础上顺利解决中印间的领土争端。我国一直在国际交往中奉行和平共处五项基本
原则,发展同世界各国的友好合作关系,在处理中印领土争端的问题上,我们也
一直积极通过协商谈判的方式来和平解决,这是符合《联合国宪章》的基本要求,
也是被国际社会所广泛认可的。

3、中印领土争端的解决方法
中印之间领土争端的解决,需要借鉴国际法上领土争端解决的现有模式,具体包括分割模式、共同管理模式、南极地区模式和斯瓦尔巴德群岛模式。分割模式中具体到如何进行分割以及分割所能获得的份额还是需要当事国之间通过协商来解决的;共同管理模式中由于共管的当事国之间分歧会对共管的有效性产生影响;南极地区模式只适用于现在还未产生主权纠纷的南极地区;斯瓦尔巴德群岛模式实际上是对主权的一种分割,主权的实际所有国要和缔约国之间分享领土的相关主权权利,这对于中印来说都是不能被接受的,因此,在借鉴了上述争端
解决的模式,并吸收了其可以适用于中印领土争端解决的合理部分的基础上,本文提出了中印领土争端的解决方法,具体如下:
(1)政治方法与法律方法相结合 A combination of political and legal methods
对于中印之间的争议领土,我们不能通过先占、时效等已被当今国际法所摒弃的方式来取得主权,当然更不能使用全民公决、民族自决等不符合我国具体情形的方式,因此我们应当积极通过和平的方式,通过协商谈判等政治方法来进行尝试,而从中印之间领土争端发展的进程中不难看出,我国一直是这么做的,也取得了一定的成效。但是,由于政治方法对于当事国之间并没有很强的约束力,因此要真正的解决中印间的领土争端,光靠单一的政治方法是很难完全解决的,这就要求我们尝试使用法律方法,并将政治方法与法律方法相结合。由于传统国际法的约束力非常低,国际法调整的对象和范围也有限,因此通过法律方法来解决领土争端一直被我们所忽视,但是随着全球化进程的加快,国际关系的不断发展,新型国家关系的建立以及法治理念的普及,国际法的内容不断丰富和完善,同时国际法呈现系统化和法典化的特点,这也使得通过法律方法解决领土争端越来越受到重视,这就要求我们对于法律方法给予足够的重视,我们要加大对国际法的重视与研究,对于国际法院判决中所依据的“条约必须遵守”、“依法占有”、“有效控制”、“禁止反言”和“民族自决”等原则进行深入细致的分析研究,为通过法律手段解决中印领土争端做好国际法上的理论准备。只有将政治方法和法律方法相结合适用,才能在解决中印领土争端中掌握主动权,
为最终合法合理的解决该争端做好充分的准备。
(2)维持现状与分步解决相结合 Maintain the status quo with step-by-step to solve the combination
维持现状是指在领土争端最终解决之前,各方应该保持克制,相互协调维持争议地区的现状,不采取展现自己主权主张的行为,这是一条已经被实践证明的和平解决领土争端的重要经验。周恩来总理在1955年的万隆会议上已经阐述过这一主张,他指出,“中国同一些相接壤的国家的边界尚未确定,在这些边界尚未确定之前,我们同意维持现状,并约束我们的政府和人民不越过边界一步。在处理中印领土争端的问题上,我国一直在恪守着这一主张,并先后与印度政府签订协议,规定双方在边界问题最终解决前,双方将严格遵守中印边境的实际控
制线,任何一方的实际活动都不超过实际控制线。在维持现状的基础上,我们也应该采取分步解决的方式,根据边界功能视角对中印领土争端的研究,中印间的边界功能包括国家主权维护、核心战略和维护国内统治,由于边界功能的多样性和重要性,导致中印之间的领土争端是很难通过一揽子方案一下解决的,中印之间关于领土争端的谈判中也印证了这一点,因此我们对于中印之间的领土争端应该采取灵活的态度,对于能够全部解决的,我们全部解决;不能全部解决的,我们按照由易到难的过程分步解决。
(3)适度让步与不主动使用武力相结合 Moderate concessions and do not take the initiative to use force
适度让步是指在领土争端的解决过程中,为了最终达成协议,完全解决争端,当事国在自身全部利益诉求的基础上作出一部分利益的让步,我国在处理同周边国家的领土争端中也使用过这种方式。在中国同缅甸的领土争端解决过程中,中国先后在缅甸提出的承认“1941年线”以及让出猛卯三角地区做出了让步,当然由于中国的让步,也使得中国获得了班洪、班老两个地区,并使得中缅之间的领土争端得以全面和平解决。在中俄之间的领土争端解决的问题上,为了更好的解决争端,中方同意在中俄之间不平等条约的基础上来进行谈判,合理解决领土争端,同时对于苏俄强占的黑瞎子岛也选择与俄罗斯平分该岛。适度让步虽然从表面上看是损失了自己的一部分利益,但是这却换来了领土争端的顺利解决,实现了地区的稳定和和平,也从另一个侧面维护了我国主权和领土的完整。
我国在处理领土争端中,一直坚持在和平共处五项原则的基础上,通过协商谈判的方式和平解决领土争端,但是在这个过程中,却往往遭到相关国家的挑衅,他们或者刻意扩大争议地区的范围,或者直接强占相关地区,中印之间的领土争端发展过程中,之所以会发生1962年的中印战争,也正是印方单方面对我国领土的侵犯,我国被迫进行自卫反击,因此我们被迫适用武力,并不是来争夺领土,而是在维护自身主权和领土完整的基础上,使双方的领土争端解决从新回到和平解决的轨道上。Sino-Indian war of 1962 had occurred, it is also India's unilateral violation of our territory, China was forced to self-defense, so we were forced to apply military force, not to compete for territory, but to safeguard its own sovereigntyand on the basis of territorial integrity, a track from the new back to the peaceful settlement of the territorial dispute between the two sides to resolve.
适度让步与不主动使用武力都是我国在被迫的情形下采取的措施,当然出发点和落脚点都是更好的通过和平的方式解决领土争端,将二者结合使用对于解决中印之间的领土争端也就会产生积极意义。
 
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Nukes are useful for those countries which have low firepower compared to their adversary. In this case its best option for Vietnam. China may have no first use, Vietnam does not need to have NFU. Also China may have many times more nukes but still it doent mean CHina would be willing to take 10-20 nukes on its cities likes Beijing, shanghai etc.

for the billions, Vietnam does't need 100s of nukes. 20-30 with strong and reliable delivery platforms like Agni are sufficient. They don't even need the industry to make nukes, just off the shelf ready made nukes would be good for them.

And why should they have no first use ? Look at pakistan.. inspite of all their one-liners like 1pakistani == 10 yindoo baniya :lol:
they know they can't match conventional fire power of India hence they went for no first use.. vietnam also faces a similar country with hegemonic ambitions ..is it not ;)
 
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中印领土争端解决方法的国际法研究
The research on the solution of China-India territorial dispute through international law
Abstract:

summary: Use threat of use of force to settle disputes. If other party gives in to your bullying claims, then the matter is solved peacefully and integrity maintained. If other party doesnt agree to bullying claims, then use force to settle the matter.

How much investment can they make to get hold on centrifuge technology and detonation device? US spent around 5 trillion (by present value) back in the cold war era to improve detonation efficiency.

provide ready made off the shelf nukes.
 
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why is everyone talking of investing ability of vietnam ? It is their survival we are talking of.. !!

They will eat grass if the need arises ;) but by GOD they will pay for it to secure their children..

And what if regime changes and Vietnam turns against us?

And, with a country like pakistan next door who cares for vietnam ?
 
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中印领土争端解决方法的国际法研究
The research on the solution of China-India territorial dispute through international law
There was no Indo-china border dispute untill tibet was free as there was no common between india and china.the day china occupied tibet all this border disputes has started.So only solution i can see to this dispute is in free Tibet. when there will be no common border between india and china there will be no border dispute then.
 
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why is everyone talking of investing ability of vietnam ? It is their survival we are talking of.. !!

They will eat grass if the need arises ;) but by GOD they will pay for it to secure their children..

And, with a country like pakistan next door who cares for vietnam ?

We don't have anything to gain by providing them Nuke, heck the relationship between India and Vietnam was non existent a decade ago.

If they really want nukes then they should have the power, knowledge and responsibility to own one, or they can sign a pact with US to station American troops and their nuclear weapon in their soil.

Giving off the shelf nukes to any country is not only idiotic, but is very irresponsible. Can we afford another sanction when the economy is just catching it's pace?
 
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And what if regime changes and Vietnam turns against us?

that is unlikely... also already Pakistan and China are against us.

We don't have anything to gain by providing them Nuke, heck the relationship between India and Vietnam was non existent a decade ago.

If they really want nukes then they should have the power, knowledge and responsibility to own one, or they can sign a pact with US to station American troops and their nuclear weapon in their soil.

Giving off the shelf nukes to any country is not only idiotic, but is very irresponsible. Can we afford another sanction when the economy is just catching it's pace?

everything is possible under the table...if India wants to give nukes secretly no one will know.. and no sanctions..
 
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If there would be any conflicts between China and Vietnam in the future, it is only confined to conventional ones. China has no first use policy: means we won't nuke others if others don't nuke china
 
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There was no Indo-china border dispute untill tibet was free as there was no common between india and china.the day china occupied tibet all this border disputes has started.So only solution i can see to this dispute is in free Tibet. when there will be no common border between india and china there will be no border dispute then.

that is quite interesting... that for 1000s of years there was no border dispute..TIbet never had any dispute..CCP overtakes Tibet and from no where we have the border dispute... reason CCP thinks with military it can and should have all the areas it deems are strategic.
 
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周恩来总理在1955年的万隆会议上已经阐述过这一主张,他指出,“中国同一些相接壤的国家的边界尚未确定,在这些边界尚未确定之前,我们同意维 持现状,并约束我们的政府和人民不越过边界一步。"This is history,people from both sides are crossing the line of actual control every day now.
 
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that is unlikely... also already Pakistan and China are against us.

everything is possible under the table...if India wants to give nukes secretly no one will know.. and no sanctions..

Every nuclear detonation has it's own signature because of the level of purification of Uranium. If any detonation happens, it'll be directly traced back to us. So everyone will know.

Get some common sense before talking.
 
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If there would be any conflicts between China and Vietnam in the future, it is only confined to conventional ones. China has no first use policy: means we won't nuke others if others don't nuke china

nukes are to prevent China from engaging Vietnam into any conflict. Full blown conventional warfare is tilted in China's favour.
 
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