"India cannot win a two-front war", Ajai Shukla

[Shane]

Its a 2.5 Front not 2 Front.

Pakistan, China and illegal Bangladeshis

That would make it 3 whole fronts and still more in the wings.

It is recognized as a two and a half front war without the others.

However, Indian military planners routinely raise the bogey of a two-front war, throwing in another “internal security half-front” comprising of Kashmiri militants disrupting lines of communications in the interior.

 

[Enigma SIG]

@Shane @Reddington @PakSword @Signalian @The Eagle @Dubious @Arsalan


First we need to separate hay from chaff...

1- We have been conditioned to believe that the big air filled elephant is coming to crush... some PakPosters even said that they have planned a Shock n Awe for us... and all that be afraid, be very afraid conditioning jazz.

Now the reality check: Yes, a bigger army... more tanks, guns... soldiers... oh, let us not forget BraMos... true all this!

But to attack and keep that attack totally sustained are two different things...

On paper GanguTerroristArmy has 3+ to 1 advantage... but what is the Quality of that advantage?

If it was 3 to 1 Qualitative advantage then of course we would have been a GanguColony officially long ago.

It is not that simple... because those who are scarring us into submission of GanguHegemony convienently forget that we Shall cause so much damage in return that all that Containment of China through ShooperPauer GanguDaesh will be pushed forever back.

We might not be able to capture territory but we shall hold our own... again ignore those who wish to condition us into submission in the name of 'rationality' or their truths... thus destroying the morale of PakMillet.

2- To dominate PakSkies GanguAirForce needs a higher sortie rate than us... and more assets constantly in the air... near to Our borders as well...

Even if we don't go in and bomb them into pieces, as some Paks might like to daydream, we have all the capabilities to deny them the same... which in itself is huge deterence...

We were being conditioned to be afraid of MKI... and huuuuge threat it was... now the same swan song is sung by our own PakPosters... yes, it is a capable aircraft... but we are NOT sitting idle for past two years either.... Had we followed the advice of these PakPosters here on PDF then 27thFeb would have never happened.

GanguFacistRegime didn't strike back with its airforce but grabbed the mighty BraMos so quickly... and so did we... what does it tell you?

We do have the ability of counter strikes and that is our doctorine... and NO we don't wish to plant OurFlag on RedFort... so let it be daydream... all the same.

But this Big Hawa of ShooperPauer GanguFascitRegime and its mighty economy is so much pumped in their media that our Minds have stopped working at all... talk about conditioning..

All that 1.5 Bln market.. is shxt of highest order. What is the number of actual middle class?

Two years back Chienese tourist spent $250Blln abroad... the economy of one Chinese coastal province is bigger than the entire GDP of these facists...and they keep scarying us with lies of Gangunomics ... @ps3linux we need to burst this bubble/myth.

Wait for massive barrowing and all shall come out... and the same posters are sapping OurMorale.. will start singing something else.. a new SwanSong.

Fighting is Spirit... one wonders what has happen to some PakPosters!

Now ...

3- Naval Forces are on paper 4 times than ours... it is imperative to see how many of these assets are operational, what kind of missile they carry... what is the level of readiness and how quickly could these be replaced from active theatre?

The Truth is PNS is almost a CoastalDefenceForce on paper... but again have a closer look at what has been going on with PNS doctorine... in order to blockade our ports the price is so high that you shall not see any GanguNavy in 400km of our coast... including the mighty aircraft carrier.

Similarly, we don't have the assets and go bomb Bombay... daydream of some fanboys...but reality is different. PNS is defensive forces... and getting mature... look at asset development/acquistion plans... expect a test launch of supersonic missile by PN sooner than later.....

PNS did prove its capability... remember we let their sub go...

4- SpaceAssets

On paper our filthy enemy has more... but do you think we have been sitting idle and be Shocked n Awed all this time?

Iron in the Soul...

5- CyberSpace

All that glorified IT-superpower is in reality a code-collie... not dehumanising..but when they come and boast ... so reality injection needs to be provided as well.

Please, understand we do possess equal capabilities in this defensive shpere... since it is more heavy on HumanCapital... so WeShallSurpriseYou here more so than anything else.

6- WeaponisedInformation

We have toally failed in this..and the implants of NRO combined with the US need to prop up GanguFacistRegime against China made us weaker.. or defeated to be honest.

Only now PMIK has come forward and taking bull by the horn... DGISPR did great recovery work.

But we must accept that we are nowhere near to the huge allied network of WeaponisedInforamtionWarfare against us... even when Mighty China can't fight it back ... then we are nothing. Truth!

GanguDaesh has made huge investment in PakPoliticoz and MarasiMedia ... same formula as that of EastPakistan... and now we are fighting back within Our Own Land... need I expand?

Please, look at IntMarasiMedia and its non stop promotion of GanguDaesh as paradise on Earth and the New Global Engine of Growth... and put it into GeoPolitical/GeoEnomic perspective then you will realise it was more directed towards China as pressure tactic than the ground reality.

Not dennying that there is a growth potential and perpective huge market in GanguDaesh... but we need to see that in perspective and not be conditioned into submission or become defeated in our minds!

Remember: Capture their minds, their hands will follow.

We have been conditioned or continued to be conditioned into despair...by the MarasiMedia and the KhooniLiberals and even here on PDF...

I understand that I have brought too much stuff into this post but I wish to highlight that Emperor has NO Clothes.

To wage war against Pakistan and sustain it... requires more than just numbers on paper and brovados...

Having said all of the above... it is imperative that we NEVER overestimate ourselves and paln/train from worst case scenarios... and wargame it in minute details. When we are attacked then uleash hell on Day1 of 6Days war.


#PakistanZindabad
#KashmirIsPakstan
#PakistanIsKashmir

Great post mate. Love how you think!

 

[El Sidd]

That would make it 3 whole fronts and still more in the wings.

It is recognized as a two and a half front war without the others.

Bangladeshis have already invaded India while you are waiting for an assumed attack on Azad Kashmir.

With 16 full fledged insurgencies and severed Supply lines, India is a sitting duck.

Taking out Indian Navy will be a good start as it would shift the Balance in the Sindhu-Pacific.

 

[Shane]

Afghans were being trained by 2 intel org's at a time,with thousands of camps working 24/7.Supplying them with ,lmg's,hmg's,light arty,shoulder fired missiles,snipers,ammo,food and what not basically a chain of logistics working to help them.
What Kashmiris are getting?

PRC won't come for sure apart from logistics,they won't help.China won't fight if they would have been willing to do so,they would have fought Bharat for what they claim.

For that,you need huge balls and sheer power.On top of that if Bharat felt that she is losing to rag tag fighters,she would chose to attack.


That won't go well citing the fact that,we have auto weapon culture and almost 70% population knows how to operate a weapon and hit the mark.

You are skimming the surface, dig deeper. Get aware of what is already in the works, connect the dots. All GOP needs to do is get proactive instead of letting the events of the region make the decisions for it - GOP needs to make those decisions itself and be better prepared for any eventuality.

 

[Sine Nomine]

You are skimming the surface, dig deeper. Get aware of what is already in the works, connect the dots. All GOP needs to do is get proactive instead of letting the events of the region make the decisions for it - GOP needs to make those decisions itself and be better prepared for any eventuality.

Sir,with due respect Afg and IOK are like apple and oranges.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Sir,with due respect Afg and IOK are like apple and oranges.

In Afg, Aks were provided by Egypt and Israel which couldn't be tracked back to either Pakistan or USA. Stingers were especially made for Afg. Funds were provided by USA in large amounts. The border between Pak and Afg was open which meant timely reinforcements and supplies from Pak.
Kashmir has none of these.

But a counter argument is that India does not have the capabilities of USSR. But also there is no resistance in Kashmir like in Afg.

 

[Areesh]

these ill equipped ignorant want to take on mighty china china will may take more some states of india

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All of these can be easily handled by Gurkhas.

You know gurkhas? Those overrated soldiers of Indian army that can beat anyone in this world

 

[Sine Nomine]

But a counter argument is that India does not have the capabilities of USSR.

Neither population of IOJK is like Afghans.

In Afg, Aks were provided by Egypt and Israel which couldn't be tracked back to either Pakistan or USA.

There were multiple sources.
Sanitized weapons can be used.

The border between Pak and Afg was open which meant timely reinforcements and supplies from Pak.

That's biggest problem,Geography.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

If India will then Surely Pakistanis would be too in greater number

India and pakistan will mobilise massively. But war is not just about number of soldiers but about logistics and weapons. India van mobilise its entire industrial base. India makes 50lakh cars, 2.5 crore 2 wheelers and 20 lakh other vehicles like tractors, buses, 3 wheelers etc every year. All of this will be mobilised for making defence goods like tanks, helicopters, planes etc.

If it was 3 to 1 Qualitative advantage then of course we would have been a GanguColony officially long ago.

It is not that simple... because those who are scarring us into submission of GanguHegemony convienently forget that we Shall cause so much damage in return that all that Containment of China through ShooperPauer GanguDaesh will be pushed forever back

India can't contain China and doesn't intend to. Indian goal is to first strengthen itself and get 100% indigenisation in defence and strategic technology.

Secondly, Pakistan is not being attacked as all countries to the west of Pakistan is oil producing countries and all of them will be destabilised. This will jeopardise oil supply. There is huge pressure on India from all oil importers like China, EU etc to keep calm.

To dominate PakSkies GanguAirForce needs a higher sortie rate than us... and more assets constantly in the air... near to Our borders as well...

Even if we don't go in and bomb them into pieces, as some Paks might like to daydream, we have all the capabilities to deny them the same... which in itself is huge deterence...

We were being conditioned to be afraid of MKI... and huuuuge threat it was... now the same swan song is sung by our own PakPosters... yes, it is a capable aircraft... but we are NOT sitting idle for past two years either.... Had we followed the advice of these PakPosters here on PDF then 27thFeb would have never happened.

It is true that India needs more sorties. But India has major advantage in terms of having ability to manufacture planes with complete spare parts. In addition, India has coal Liquefaction and can ensure that much higher levels of plane flights. Whereas Pakistan is dependent on imports for spares and fuel which India can choke off in naval blockade. Moreover, India has indigenous SAM system which can take down Pakistani planes which try to attack Indian planes while Pakistani air defence is not upto the mark.

Two years back Chienese tourist spent $250Blln abroad... the economy of one Chinese coastal province is bigger than the entire GDP of these facists...and they keep scarying us with lies of Gangunomics ... @ps3linux we need to burst this bubble/myth.

Wait for massive barrowing and all shall come out... and the same posters are sapping OurMorale.. will start singing something else.. a new SwanSong.

India actually has 40% of Chinese GDP in PPP terms. This is a real indicator of indian economic might. But comparison to China, it is smaller. Nevertheless, it is much bigger than what nominal GDP shows.

Naval Forces are on paper 4 times than ours... it is imperative to see how many of these assets are operational, what kind of missile they carry... what is the level of readiness and how quickly could these be replaced from active theatre?

The Truth is PNS is almost a CoastalDefenceForce on paper... but again have a closer look at what has been going on with PNS doctorine... in order to blockade our ports the price is so high that you shall not see any GanguNavy in 400km of our coast... including the mighty aircraft carrier.

Similarly, we don't have the assets and go bomb Bombay... daydream of some fanboys...but reality is different. PNS is defensive forces... and getting mature... look at asset development/acquistion plans... expect a test launch of supersonic missile by PN sooner than later.....

PNS did prove its capability... remember we let their sub go...

PNS ships and Bangladesh ships combined is as big as Indian coast guard. You can look at the number of large ships in Indian coast guard and then compare with Pakistani and Bangladeshi Navy.

Indian ships have much better Air defence than Pakistani ships. India also has extemely accurate anti-ship missiles Brahmos. What can Pakistan do about it?

Also, India can indigenously repair ships as most of the ships are made in India. But any small damage on Pakistani ship will make it permanently out of action. This is another major advantage.

Detection of a submarine isn't much as during peace time, submarines maneuver more casually. In wartime, however, the submarine would have sunk the ship before coming too close or would have asked Indian Navy ships and aircraft carrier to clear off the surface vessels.

4- SpaceAssets

On paper our filthy enemy has more... but do you think we have been sitting idle and be Shocked n Awed all this time?

Iron in the Soul...

India has space based military assets including surveillance satellite, navigation system and communication system. All of this are highly advanced and in international standards, not some primitive designs. You may think that Pakistan has access to Chinese satellite footages. But do you really think that China will give direct access to their satellites in real time? The access, even if given, will be limited and not real time as that will compromise lot of their own satellite technology and encryption. Moreover, giving real time data will be considered as aggression by India and China wouldn't want to risk its people fighting India.

5- CyberSpace

All that glorified IT-superpower is in reality a code-collie... not dehumanising..but when they come and boast ... so reality injection needs to be provided as well.

Please, understand we do possess equal capabilities in this defensive shpere... since it is more heavy on HumanCapital... so WeShallSurpriseYou here more so than anything else.

Indian prowess in IT sector is quite good. Calling India code coolie is simply ypur opinion. India doesn't manufacture semiconductor of latest generation but India does make older generation semiconductor. Even the coding ability is one of the best in the world. Indians are sophisticated enough to be able to hack into military communication wherever Pakistan lacks the lastest encrypted devices.

Its a 2.5 Front not 2 Front.

Pakistan, China and illegal Bangladeshis

Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indian Muslims are the 2.5 front. India doesn't expect war with China and China doesn't expect war with India.

 

[SQ8]

The usual two front tripe. China has no interest in this imaginative conflict space Indians lie about to justify their massive arms purchases.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indian Muslims are the 2.5 front. India doesn't expect war with China and China doesn't expect war with India.

Ladakh is calling

 

[Smarana Mitra]

That won't go well citing the fact that,we have auto weapon culture and almost 70% population knows how to operate a weapon and hit the mark.

Learning to shoot is 1 week work for men. The training is more about team work, logistics, taking cover, evasive tactics and even fitness. Are 70% of pakistani population knowledgeable about the tactics or are 70% Pakistani population physically fit and healthy to run for kilometres? I don't think so. So, mere people knowing to shoot is just little use.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Learning to shoot is 1 week work for men. The training is more about team work, logistics, taking cover, evasive tactics and even fitness. Are 70% of pakistani population knowledgeable about the tactics or are 70% Pakistani population physically fit and healthy to run for kilometres? I don't think so. So, mere people knowing to shoot is just little use.

We have areas where common man about such things as much a soldier does.
Weapon handling is one of the major tasks in any such kind of sitution.
You shouldn't worry about fitness of Pakistanis,70% do live in villages and they can run for miles without any issue.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Ladakh is calling

Ladakh disputed territory of Aksai Chin is already with China. Remaining disputed area is too small to fight. Moreover Ladakh is resource poor and is a snow desert. Fighting there is like fighting in cold region of Russia. Most people acoid wars in such zones unless there is no choice

We have areas where common man about such things as much a soldier does.
Weapon handling is one of the major tasks in any such kind of sitution.
You shouldn't worry about fitness of Pakistanis,70% do live in villages and they can run for miles without any issue.

Weapon handling is something people can learn rather quickly. Moreover, I don't think Pakistani common man is rich enough to afford a thousand rounds of training per man to have professional accuracy and handling. So, most of the basic training of handling weapons come naturally to people.

Fitness of villagers isn't necessarily high. The villagers generally lack medicine and are undernourished. This means when situation of starvation and other problems come, it will be dire. Moreover, carrying of at least 10 kg load will be needed ( 4kg rifle + 3kg for 150 rounds of AK47 rounds and some water and accessories like shoes, bag etc). This will be extremely taxing and not something to be taken lightly. Think again if the thin village folks are capable of carrying this load and running for kilometres. In addition, other aspects like understanding of geography etc are important.

 

[El Sidd]

Remaining disputed area is too small to fight. Moreover Ladakh is resource poor and is a snow desert. Fighting there is like fighting in cold region of Russia. Most people acoid wars in such zones unless there is no choice

that is your opinion. ask the Chinese