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I also believe Pakistan has had significant change in it's policy towards Kashmir in favor of India initializing at least a score ago. While Indian policy has remained same if not changed much to the detrimental to peace within Pakistan.Pakistan calculates risk, and invariably, without fail, finds that risk insufficient to deter its adventures.
Agreed and From my view, Pakistan is the one being restrictive rather than India in recent history a couple of decades and present.It cannot be one-sided restraint in perpetuity, Sir.
WoT has sufficient links to India sponsoring and active role.
And Pakistan has the same points but that India is has that SOP.From the Indian point of view, it has always, invariably, been the Pakistani standard operating procedure to use clandestine force to achieve goals not achievable otherwise, and to use terror, including the maltreatment of prisoners and the mass murder of civilians, to subdue opposition.
Umm Dialogue and meetings where state representatives put their case forward to the respective neighboring nation and after exchange of rants, allegations and whatnot, perhaps in a few years, both sides sit down together to to form a plan of action forward?How should this be addressed? Do suggest what you believe ought to have been an appropriate response to these issues.
Due to trust deficit, it is only natural that a third party oversee the whole process, But then, India at the moment wants to keep everything unilateral, let alone bilateral. Ofcourse, Just as India is pushing things unilaterally, Pakistan can not even trust Indians on bilateral agreements (Post 5th Aug, Simla Agreement is thrown as a piece of paper). The way forward with the trust deficit is multilateral which can be more binding on both parties than anything short of that. If you have a better suggestion, I am all ears.
Pakistan is willing to follow UN agreement after consultations of all parties involved, with finding an interpretation of ALL points in the UNSC resolutions in entirety, while India is not putting Nehru to shame, but also disregarding any possible way forward on major issues.
Kashmir among other issues as we all know is the a much older issue than the so called terrorism. Of course during dialogue, both Kashmir and terrorism should be discussed as Pakistan too have complaints regarding Indian Involvement in Terrorism inside Pakistan.
Sorry I meant it was about to use. I stand corrected.Did you perhaps mean as India did not use?
Was the perpetrator an Irregular of Pakistan?The initial spark, in our view, was the Pulwama incident. If you had read the public statements made at that time, there was a (professed) resolution in the Indian political leadership to pursue the matter with seriousness and intent. Missiles were an option from the first day, albeit missiles with conventional warheads. The targets were the same; the mode changed to air attack on the advice of the military.
So, now the new norm is to strike with supersonic missiles directly at a start of conflict?
I am saying that we have to make a difference on activities within disputed territories and non disputed territories.If you believe that cross-LOC attacks are legitimate, what, indeed, are we discussing?
Please do clear you where do you stand as to the position of J & K region ( Ladakh included),all that is under effective control of Pakistan, India and China. I think that will help me understand your point of view better.
Are you sure you want to discuss internal absurdity of both nations?The absurd proposition levelled against your own citizens, for instance, that accused a Chinese overseer of blasphemy and assaulted him? These are incidents that won international attention. How now are we suddenly the villains of the piece?
I have mostly commented on issues directly involving Pakistan and bilateral issues while it seems we have to discuss purely internal matters now?
I am all for discussing absurdities both nations that are legitimate concerns of both foreign nations but let's keep internal matters for a separate day, shall we?
Sir, well UNSC resolutions are still valid and accepted globally. Pakistan as of today and recent history is willing to abide by them and has officially and unofficially explicitly stated this position. Please state the reality and when should I hear India honoring it's commitment and MEA giving a statement in favor of implementing the resolutions?What status are you referring to? That Pakistan is in occupation of a portion of Kashmir, a state that acceded to India, is a reality. That Pakistan created a dispute where none existed, citing the Standstill Agreement after having sent in irregular armed murderers, is also a reality. That Pakistan rejected the initial Security Council agreement is again a reality.
Where do we stop? Where Pakistani wishes it to stop? After three failed efforts to achieve its ends through clandestine armed action?
BJP and state institutions are separate. One is temporary and another permanent. I am questioning state institutions that are primarily responsible for engagement and maintaining their credibility irrespective of internal politics.I said that their focus and concentration was, and is, on internal affairs
Sir, I am sure the presence of the innocent man kidnapped from Iran by Pakistan because of jealously of us of him catching all the prawns leaving none of us was not in in 2016 but he started his fishing much earlier.interference in Baloch affairs.
Empty... right...if you say so, Sire.an empty folder was brandished in public
Sir being respective citizens of our nations, we all generally think the otherside deserves it, even when God-Forbid, in future, our military exchanges nukes or strikes conventional payload missiles in the cities.If today, you face a hostile, unrelenting atmosphere in New Delhi, you have earned it. Even those of us who want peace with Pakistan, and friendly relations with her citizens, have given up, temporarily, as we are unable to sustain the barrage of insults from our countrymen for being Pakistan's patsies.
I would love the situation to improve, but এক হাতে তালি বাজে না।
Peace is never easy. If being hurled abuses for trying to support peace means one should be given up, the I guess perhaps peace might never be an option, unfortunately.
With almost no initiatives in recent history or present, perhaps we should rather start getting more practical at how to eliminate the other side, rather than focusing on any way of peace process to be worked upon. As, Desh Drohi is afterall, a serious accusation.
I am quite young and ill-experienced especially in the topics we discussed which have military element to a large extent.himself PDF Staff was very reasonable.
Though no match for you, I believe @PanzerKiel can better put forward and discuss the military history and how to move forward with that baggage.
As for PDF username, Sir, it has given me more trouble and me being misunderstood but almost all members including staff. I have very recently already applied for a change of username, but the moderators mandated to approve it are short in numbers, thus you have to bear with me for a short while.
For once I wish there was a logical discussion on atleast what matters both side could agree to cooperate on and work forward from thereon. Here in a public forum atleast if not in policy circles. Atleast a thought experiment on what could be done now to the benefit of each other.
PDF for all the trolls present, also have some intellectuals who can despite the challenges of an internet forum, can present the case in an amicable manner.This is the only part we can work on.
I don't mind a thread dedicated to have PDF Forum Indo-Pak dialogue, but only if both side has sufficient members and sincere members to participate in.
There are not many Indian title holders active here anymore and most members lack any substantial quality in their posts so we will first have to invite esteemed volunteers for Track 'III' diplomacy.
I believe if good Indian users get active on the forum, there won't be a need for a code of conduct and their posts will overshadow the majority of trolls.The code of conduct for indians on this forum.