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India cancelled orders of Russian jets, weapons: US official at Senate hearing

In US Senate mentioning cancelation of Mig 29s is just a lollipop to excuse India after S400 buy. Main deal is the S400, whether US sanctions India for it or not, is remain to be seen. But for now it is more looking like that they are ignoring this unlike with the case of turkey.
Sanctions enforcement is up to Biden not the Senate (senate already approved CAATSA). My guess is pressure on India is behind closed doors at this point. IMO, if India helps Russia get around USA financial sanctions then USA will press more aggressively.

S400 is a stranded asset for India. My guess is that future deliveries will be delayed indefinitely by sanctions and India will eventually cancel the contract blaming the Russians for breach.
 
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This is catalyst to Pakistan Russia alliance and new military presence to be established soon
Lol no there is no Russia Pakistan alliance
Any alliance at this point is suicidal

The USA does have friends, clearly. The problem with USA-Pakistan friendship is that, for Pakistan, everything revolves around India. Pakistan calculates every dealing with the USA seeking some help in its war with India. The USA has to worry about China. India is a better ally wrt China than is Pakistan. So the USA has friends, but Pakistan is not able to be truly one of them because it feels it must always oppose India in every way possible. So, who would help Pakistan in a time of need vis a vis India? Probably only China.
Well atleast someone has clarity of thought regarding Pakistan's policy

India could've used that as leverage back when the US wasn't twisting its arm. In this case, I imagine the US threw threat-after-threat (e.g., FDI issues, trade issues, or even arming Pakistan) to get India to nix its deals with Russia.
US defence contractors have trouble keeping up with increased European demand so I dont think they will be interested in giving discount to Indians
 
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The USA does have friends, clearly. The problem with USA-Pakistan friendship is that, for Pakistan, everything revolves around India. Pakistan calculates every dealing with the USA seeking some help in its war with India. The USA has to worry about China. India is a better ally wrt China than is Pakistan. So the USA has friends, but Pakistan is not able to be truly one of them because it feels it must always oppose India in every way possible. So, who would help Pakistan in a time of need vis a vis India? Probably only China.
No USA doesn't have friends. Its a bully that forces countries to do what it wants. A bigger threat than war is the economic sanctions.
 
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The USA does have friends, clearly. The problem with USA-Pakistan friendship is that, for Pakistan, everything revolves around India. Pakistan calculates every dealing with the USA seeking some help in its war with India. The USA has to worry about China. India is a better ally wrt China than is Pakistan. So the USA has friends, but Pakistan is not able to be truly one of them because it feels it must always oppose India in every way possible. So, who would help Pakistan in a time of need vis a vis India? Probably only China.
How about your everything revolves around Russia n China. Lol real problem with usa Is selective definition of Justice and human right. Bro Americans must be the last person on earth to speak about world issues. You guys are behind every problem on planet
 
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Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu said the US Secretary of State had been “in the frontline” of a “pitched battle” to get India on the same page as the US on the Ukraine issue.

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Underlining that it would be difficult for any country to continue buying military hardware from Russia after US sanctions in response to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Wednesday that in the “last few” weeks, “what we’ve seen from India…is the cancellation of MiG-29 orders, Russian helicopter orders and anti-tank weapon orders.”

When contacted in New Delhi, a Defence Ministry spokesman declined to comment on Lu’s remarks. Lu, who called India a “really important security partner,” was speaking at the Senate hearing hours after the vote in the UN General Assembly on “Russian aggression”, from which India, along with 34 other countries including China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, abstained.
Asked specifically if, in view of India’s abstentions, the Biden Administration was considering invoking CAATSA sanctions on Delhi for purchasing the S-400 air defence system from Russia, Lu said he was not able to “prejudge” decisions of the President or the Secretary on this issue, or whether Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will bear on that decision.

CAATSA or Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act is a 2017 US law targeting Iran, North Korea and Russia and can be invoked against any country or entity that carries out business transactions with them.

In 2020, the US sanctioned Turkey for purchasing the S-400. Delhi signed a $5.3-billion deal for the S-400 with Moscow in 2018, and Russia began deliveries of the system to India in November 2021.

Delhi was confident that the Biden Administration would make an exception for the S-400 deal in view of the expanding strategic partnership with India, including in the Quadrilateral grouping.

However, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Biden Administration’s new sanctions to punish Moscow, and India’s neutral positioning in the conflict have put the S-400 deal back under the spotlight.

“I can assure you that the administration will follow the CAATSA law and fully implement that law and will consult with Congress as we move forward with any of them. What, unfortunately, I am not able to say is to prejudge the decisions of the President or the (Secretary of State) on the waiver issue or on the sanctions issue, or whether Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will bear on that decision,” Lu said.

Lu said that the Biden administration is yet to decide on applying sanctions on India under CAATSA.

“India is a really important security partner of ours now. And that we value moving forward that partnership and I hope that part of what happens with the extreme criticism that Russia has faced is that India will find it’s now time to further distances,” Lu said.

India’s record of abstention and “non-alignment” at the United Nations on the Ukraine issue dominated the hearing, with committee members questioning Lu about how this squared with the US-India partnership and India’s own credentials as the world’s largest democracy.

Lu said there was a “pitched battle” on the issue with India to “urge it to take a clear position”, and that it had led to an “evolution” of the Indian position.


“Secretary (Tony) Blinken has been on the frontlines of that battle. The President, other senior officials in the State Department have been relentlessly conducting very serious high-level dialogue with their Indian counterparts over Ukraine over the over the course of months now,” Lu said, noting India’s call to all states to abide by the UN Charter, respect sovereignty and the territorial integrity of other states, and to send humantarian supplies to Ukraine as indications of “small steps”.

The death of the Indian student in the bombardment of Kharkiv had also begun to turn public opinion in India, against Russia, he said.

“We have spared no effort to try to convince India both to vote in UN sessions but also to show support for Ukraine at this critical moment. Those efforts were led by Secretary Blinken. He is multiple, multiple times been on the phone with Minister Jaishanker,” the official said. (with Krishn Kaushik, New Delhi).


Is India a betrayal?

So this is how you do to the decades of friendship, just for the new friend?

Amazing!
 
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Is India a betrayal?

So this is how you do to the decades of friendship, just for the new friend?

Amazing!
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Sanctions enforcement is up to Biden not the Senate (senate already approved CAATSA). My guess is pressure on India is behind closed doors at this point. IMO, if India helps Russia get around USA financial sanctions then USA will press more aggressively.

S400 is a stranded asset for India. My guess is that future deliveries will be delayed indefinitely by sanctions and India will eventually cancel the contract blaming the Russians for breach.

Modi is a US lackey.

As the US senate hearing acknowledged Modi cancelled many Russian deals since he came to power in 2014 like FGFA, Super Sukhoi, Igla, Kamov choppers etc.

The only deal that he signed with Russia in his 8 years is the S-400.

Even this deal was signed with reduced numbers after over 4 years after the offer made by Russia.

The deal was signed as there was no other system like it on offer and Old Indian military guard who were sympathetic to Soviet union put pressure.

You can bet Modi will cancel this deal at the first available opportunity. The current sanctions on Russia is going to be a good excuse for Modi.
 
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Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu said the US Secretary of State had been “in the frontline” of a “pitched battle” to get India on the same page as the US on the Ukraine issue.

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Underlining that it would be difficult for any country to continue buying military hardware from Russia after US sanctions in response to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Wednesday that in the “last few” weeks, “what we’ve seen from India…is the cancellation of MiG-29 orders, Russian helicopter orders and anti-tank weapon orders.”

When contacted in New Delhi, a Defence Ministry spokesman declined to comment on Lu’s remarks. Lu, who called India a “really important security partner,” was speaking at the Senate hearing hours after the vote in the UN General Assembly on “Russian aggression”, from which India, along with 34 other countries including China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, abstained.
Asked specifically if, in view of India’s abstentions, the Biden Administration was considering invoking CAATSA sanctions on Delhi for purchasing the S-400 air defence system from Russia, Lu said he was not able to “prejudge” decisions of the President or the Secretary on this issue, or whether Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will bear on that decision.

CAATSA or Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act is a 2017 US law targeting Iran, North Korea and Russia and can be invoked against any country or entity that carries out business transactions with them.

In 2020, the US sanctioned Turkey for purchasing the S-400. Delhi signed a $5.3-billion deal for the S-400 with Moscow in 2018, and Russia began deliveries of the system to India in November 2021.

Delhi was confident that the Biden Administration would make an exception for the S-400 deal in view of the expanding strategic partnership with India, including in the Quadrilateral grouping.

However, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Biden Administration’s new sanctions to punish Moscow, and India’s neutral positioning in the conflict have put the S-400 deal back under the spotlight.

“I can assure you that the administration will follow the CAATSA law and fully implement that law and will consult with Congress as we move forward with any of them. What, unfortunately, I am not able to say is to prejudge the decisions of the President or the (Secretary of State) on the waiver issue or on the sanctions issue, or whether Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will bear on that decision,” Lu said.

Lu said that the Biden administration is yet to decide on applying sanctions on India under CAATSA.

“India is a really important security partner of ours now. And that we value moving forward that partnership and I hope that part of what happens with the extreme criticism that Russia has faced is that India will find it’s now time to further distances,” Lu said.

India’s record of abstention and “non-alignment” at the United Nations on the Ukraine issue dominated the hearing, with committee members questioning Lu about how this squared with the US-India partnership and India’s own credentials as the world’s largest democracy.

Lu said there was a “pitched battle” on the issue with India to “urge it to take a clear position”, and that it had led to an “evolution” of the Indian position.


“Secretary (Tony) Blinken has been on the frontlines of that battle. The President, other senior officials in the State Department have been relentlessly conducting very serious high-level dialogue with their Indian counterparts over Ukraine over the over the course of months now,” Lu said, noting India’s call to all states to abide by the UN Charter, respect sovereignty and the territorial integrity of other states, and to send humantarian supplies to Ukraine as indications of “small steps”.

The death of the Indian student in the bombardment of Kharkiv had also begun to turn public opinion in India, against Russia, he said.

“We have spared no effort to try to convince India both to vote in UN sessions but also to show support for Ukraine at this critical moment. Those efforts were led by Secretary Blinken. He is multiple, multiple times been on the phone with Minister Jaishanker,” the official said. (with Krishn Kaushik, New Delhi).


Nice

The USA Pakistan rift happened long before USA considered China an enemy. Main issue, IMO, was that past Pakistani leaders were not focused on economic development and trade the way PMIK is today.

But you are correct to point out the relatively one dimensional nature of the relationship. In the 80's when Pakistan was working with the USA against the USSR in Afghanistan, Zia was happy with just aid monies and F-16's and never asked for free trade agreements with the USA. I read somewhere that in the 80's Pakistan paid more in tariffs to USA then France even though it was a much smaller poorer economy. Many countries boomed in the 90's and 2000's based on trade with the USA......something Pakistan could have gotten a head start on if Zia would have been more long term in his thinking,


That’s what happen when you have tinpot dictator like Zia … every thing out of his arse was bad like Nawj
 
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And why is Pakistan wrong in thinking along these lines.. ?
I am not judging the validity of Pakistan's India-focused security priority. Certainly, until or unless Kashmir can be resolved by an honest plebiscite, Pakistan cannot easily give up its feelings of injustice and grievance over India's behavior. However, from the USA perspective, Kashmir is a problem that only peaceful history can resolve, not warfare. In our view, Pakistan must regain closeness and influence over Indian-held Kashmir by becoming an economic and cultural beacon to its people who, then, voluntarily, want to associate with Pakistan far more than with New Delhi. The USA view is the same for Russia wanting the Ukraine to be in its sphere of influence. Russia can have that if it can peacefully attract the Ukrainians by economic and cultural excellence, not by bombing and killing them.
 
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I am not judging the validity of Pakistan's India-focused security priority. Certainly, until or unless Kashmir can be resolved by an honest plebiscite, Pakistan cannot easily give up its feelings of injustice and grievance over India's behavior. However, from the USA perspective, Kashmir is a problem that only peaceful history can resolve, not warfare. In our view, Pakistan must regain closeness and influence over Indian-held Kashmir by becoming an economic and cultural beacon to its people who, then, voluntarily, want to associate with Pakistan far more than with New Delhi. The USA view is the same for Russia wanting the Ukraine to be in its sphere of influence. Russia can have that if it can peacefully attract the Ukrainians by economic and cultural excellence, not by bombing and killing them.
Indians too are obsessed with conflict with Pakistan. Did you watch vids of the friendly fire downed Indian helicopter in Kashmir in 2019.......their were Kashmiri yelling Pakistan Zindabad in IOK. With 1 million Indian security personnel present in Kashmir no amount of economic or cultural influence will change things. Unfortunately, war is the only way to solve this. Biggest mistake Pakistan has made strategically was to not launch an offensive in 1962 when the China and India were at war, IMO.
 
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Unfortunately, war is the only way to solve this.
Listen to yourself: "War is the only way ..." War is NOT the only way when nuclear weapons are involved. War CAN NOT be the way in that case. The only realistic way is through ever deepening cultural and economic relationships. To form them between the two parts of Kashmir, Pakistan will have to abandon its "war is the only way" mindset and start to form civilian linkages with Indian-controlled Kashmiris. You have already spent 75 years trying "war is the way" without success. Try something different.
 
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Once in a lifetime opportunity for Pakistan to sign a deal for few squadrons of Su-30 with Russia since India has already cancelled the jets.

Russia needs more partners and it will be a stellar demonstration of Imran Khan's much touted "independent" foreign policy.

The deal will cement Pakistan-Russia ties for decades to come.

Iron brother can take care of trivial matters like financing etc
 
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Listen to yourself: "War is the only way ..." War is NOT the only way when nuclear weapons are involved. War CAN NOT be the way in that case. The only realistic way is through ever deepening cultural and economic relationships. To form them between the two parts of Kashmir, Pakistan will have to abandon its "war is the only way" mindset and start to form civilian linkages with Indian-controlled Kashmiris. You have already spent 75 years trying "war is the way" without success. Try something different.
We have also tried non-military means....UN resolutions and such. No success. Western countries are fooling themselves if they think they can ignore the issue and proceed as normal. It will erupt again.

War is the only solution....Pakistan has to be perfect in its strategic an tactical execution. If India and China ever go to war again. Quad will not send forces to help India......but there is a very good chance that Pakistan will to help China.
 
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Listen to yourself: "War is the only way ..." War is NOT the only way when nuclear weapons are involved. War CAN NOT be the way in that case. The only realistic way is through ever deepening cultural and economic relationships. To form them between the two parts of Kashmir, Pakistan will have to abandon its "war is the only way" mindset and start to form civilian linkages with Indian-controlled Kashmiris. You have already spent 75 years trying "war is the way" without success. Try something different.
the whole plebiscite thing was forced on india through war in 1947 i.e., it was force and war that led india to believe in a peaceful resolution, and paksitan didnt try anything until '65 due to american assurances to ayub khan which never materialized. war is the only way, india is not going to hand over kashmir on a platter to pakistan in the name of plebiscite.
 
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It’s about the S-400….Cancelling non-binding orders don’t mean much.
Also what happens when there is peace?
 
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