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The artical was about India but Indians are so insecure that they can't even talk about themselves without mentioning Pakistan.

Can't you people not define yourself without bringing Pakistan into it?

As for the artical, it brings up valid points mainly because India is trying to convince itself that it is a superpower.
With extreme poverty and other problems, it is hard to buy that India is a super power tho.
Maybe one day, not certainly not today.
 
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The artical was about India but Indians are so insecure that they can't even talk about themselves without mentioning Pakistan.

Can't you people not define yourself without bringing Pakistan into it?

As for the artical, it brings up valid points mainly because India is trying to convince itself that it is a superpower.
With extreme poverty and other problems, it is hard to buy that India is a super power tho.
Maybe one day, not certainly not today.


No we are not we are just trying to develop the best we can
 
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I thought such topics are banned in PDF
 
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India's urban residents in 2008 account for 29% of its population, and the CIA Fact Book estimates it growing at 2.4% of the total population every year.

The estimated data for 2005 shows the level of urbanization as 35 per cent in Pakistan, and CIA Factbook puts it at 36% in 2008, and it is increasing with 3% of the nation's population migrating to cities every year.

Nice Analysis, means according to CIA it is 29% for India and 35% for Pakistan a difference of 6%. Pakistan is having rapid Urbanisation due to these two facts.
1) Due to Taliban insurgency in KP and FATA, there is a sudden huge influx of Pashtuns to different cities in Pakistan.
2) Ethnic based politics in Karachi & Hyderabad:- Certain political parties in Karachi and Hyderabad encourages people from rural Pakistan to migrate to cities so that the cam alter the demography of the cities.

Worth reading for you.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Fire exposes Pakistan city's slum problems

Pakistan has and continues to urbanize at a faster pace than India. From 1975-1995, Pakistan grew 10% from 25% to 35% urbanized, while India grew 6% from 20% to 26%. From 1995-2025, the UN forecast says Pakistan urbanizing from 35% to 60%, while India's forecast is 26% to 45%. For this year, a little over 40% of Pakistan's population lives in the cities.

So, in last 17 years Pakistan reduced slum dwellers from 51-52% to 48% , so it is highly likely that it will be 43-44% in 2030 where since India uplifted 20% people out of Slums in last 17 years, it is highly likely that it will reach a single digit to 4-5% by 2030.

Bangalore city in India, it was a small city in 1990s but became 3rd largest city in India now after Mumbai and Delhi but still slums are rare to see in Bangalore, till now I have never seen slums in Bangalore. It seems Pakistan is aiming only urbanisation but have no proper plan to deal with reduction of slums in the city.
 
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No we are not we are just trying to develop the best we can

no one can fault you for doing the best you can, but I have been here too long and read too many "India is a super power" threads to know that you are indeed trying to convince yourself that you are already a super power.

There are always threads on how India can/will challenge China and what not.
 
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The artical was about India but Indians are so insecure that they can't even talk about themselves without mentioning Pakistan.

LOL, please read the first post of this thread, there is comparison of poverty in India vs Pakistan. Then Mr. Riaz Haq brought comparison of slums in India and Pakistan. So,your comment remind me of ,"Ulta chor kotwal ko daante."
 
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RiazHaq for Opinionator position :yahoo:

hidden sarcasm] ;)
 
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"India is superpoor, not superpower"
Sashi Tharoor

“It is still 80 percent nation and 50 percent democracy”
Ramachandra Guha

Last year, Indian writer, diplomat and politician Sashi Tharoor said "India is superpoor, not superpower". This week, Indian historian Ramachandra Guha went a step further and suggested that "India can not and must not become a superpower". Guha added that “India should not try to be a dominant and powerful country, but a less discontented nation.”

How poor is India? An Oxford study found last year that India has more poor than the poor population of all of sub-Saharan Africa. The latest World Bank data shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5%, based on India's current poverty line of $1.03 per person per day, is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam (urban), Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with similar or lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

“A superpower is a political, economic and military giant that has global reach,” Tharoor said. “The US still holds that position. It can fight a war in East Asia or any other part of the world. But I can’t imagine China or India doing that.”

Given the many ethnic, regional, religious and caste fault lines running through the length and breadth of India, there have long been questions raised about India's identity as a nation. Speaking about it, the US South Asia expert Stephen Cohen of Brookings Institution said, " But there is no all-Indian Hindu identity—India is riven by caste and linguistic differences, and Aishwarya Rai and Sachin Tendulkar are more relevant rallying points for more Indians than any Hindu caste or sect, let alone the Sanskritized Hindi that is officially promulgated".

Acknowledging the reality of deep fault lines in Indian polity, Guha says: "Because of its size and diversity, because of the continuing poverty of many of its citizens, because it is (in historical terms) still a relatively young nation state, and because it remains the most recklessly ambitious experiment in history, the Republic of India was never going to have anything but a rocky ride.

"National unity and democratic consolidation were always going to be more difficult to achieve than in smaller, richer, more homogeneous and older countries."

Mr Guha argues that democracy and nationhood in India face the following major challenges:

1. India is home to some of the world's fiercest insurgencies which Indian military is attempting to put down in northeast, northwest and central India.

2. Religious fanaticism is "receding but by no means vanquished." A "sullen peace rather than an even-tempered tranquility" prevails in the country

3. There is increasing corrosion of public institutions. Political parties are becoming family businesses; the police and bureaucracy are heavily politicized; corruption is rampant and patronage trumps competence

4. Natural resources are rapidly degrading and depleting as population grows, causing severe problems for the rural poor.

5. There is growing economic disparity. One example: India's richest man, Mukesh Ambani, is worth more than $20bn, and his new home is a 27-storey high, 400,000 sq ft building in Mumbai, where 60% of the people live in subhuman conditions in overcrowded slums.

I think both Tharoor and Guha make a lot of sense. The sad reality is that India is home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates, a country where nearly two-thirds of the people still practice open defecation. India really needs to focus on solving these basic domestic problems rather than trying to become a superpower through a massive arms buildup.

Haq's Musings: Can Superpoor India Become a Superpower?

notice how, out of the entire essay, there is only a half sentence about Pakistan
Yet we have like 7 pages of Indians going "derrrrr....... Pakistan is bad too ....derrrr"
 
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no one can fault you for doing the best you can, but I have been here too long and read too many "India is a super power" threads to know that you are indeed trying to convince yourself that you are already a super power.

There are always threads on how India can/will challenge China and what not.



The world is moving towards being multipolar that is the direction India must follow.
 
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notice how, out of the entire essay, there is only a half sentence about Pakistan
Yet we have like 7 pages of Indians going "derrrrr....... Pakistan is bad too ....derrrr"

But the article clearly shows Pakistan obsession with India even by this single sentence. India may or may not want to be a superpower but many in Pakistan clearly don't want to see India as Superpower or super-economy. When it comes to moon mission I see Pakistan talk about Indian slums and poverty, it comes to defence purchase, I hear same bullshit from Pakistanis and the list goes on.
 
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The world is moving towards being multipolar that is the direction India must follow.

Yes you are right, India is developing and one day will be a great power.
But that day is NOT today.
And to say otherwise is to come across as arrogant with nothing real to back it up.

It's like dealing with a boxer who is bragging about being great before he has even won a single match.
 
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Yes you are right, India is developing and one day will be a great power.
But that day is NOT today.
And to say otherwise is to come across as arrogant with nothing real to back it up.

It's like dealing with a boxer who is bragging about being great before he has even won a single match.



We are already a global power and have won many battles over the years but that is my view

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http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Tellis.India.Global.Power.FINAL.pdf


Here is something you may wish to read
 
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notice how, out of the entire essay, there is only a half sentence about Pakistan
Yet we have like 7 pages of Indians going "derrrrr....... Pakistan is bad too ....derrrr"

That one lines itself displays the author's bias ..as it is an attempt to mislead an avid reader by providing incorrect/outdated information..hence subsequent discussion revolved around proving/discrediting that one line.

And if the starting line is itself wrong ..what credibility remains for rest of the article!
 
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