India being left out of Afghan matrix

[Desert Fox]

With this attitude do you think we give two hoots about Pakistan's opinion?? Our activities are as transparant as they can be. Its Pakistan who is so busy trying to read between the lines and finding conspiracies that its not even able to understand simplest of messages...About yet another blatant threat in your post, you have tried it in Punjab and got whipped.. You have been trying it in Kashmir and afghanistan and look where it got you. Keep living in delusions of being an invincible martial race and see where you land in next couple of decades. .

Reminds me of a story of 2 brothers. One of them plays a nasty prank on the other. The one who bore the brunt of the prank simply walked away without much of the scene. The prankster first considered it as his victory. After some time though, he started analyzing his brother's behavior and started questioning his lack of reaction. He convinced himself that his brother has something nastier up his sleeve and will definitely get back at him. From that point onwards, his life became a continuous process of watching over his shoulder to be ready for the prank he expected his brother to play on him. Basically became paranoid and started analyzing and over analyzing every thing his brother did and interpreting it as some scheme or the other. All this while his brother stayed cordial with him and watched him go to pieces. No revenge from his brother could have been worse than what the prankster did to himself

Wow, that sounds so out of this world! What kind of prank did he play on him that he would turn paranoid?

 

[DavyJones]

@Aqil - Be ready to face the music from India as well .. you think we will give up our system in Afghanistan so easily ? You are wrong - I think the Indian government has a long term plan. Bleed you white in Balochistan to force you to stop bleeding us in Kashmir.
You stop this Kashmir blah blah and we will give up our Afghan network

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Aqil - Be ready to face the music from India as well .. you think we will give up our system in Afghanistan so easily ? You are wrong - I think the Indian government has a long term plan. Bleed you white in Balochistan to force you to stop bleeding us in Kashmir.
You stop this Kashmir blah blah and we will give up our Afghan network

Dude your either confused or a total doushe bag.First you say india has stopped spreading terrorism in balochistan and cursing india why u guys had invested there if your role was to be fudged and now this CRAP.
Balochistan is calm now thank almighty but what will happen to you in afghanistan when Talibs come to power?
Face the music lol did you face just a little bit in mumbai?with just 10 punks?
moral of the story= live and let live.
if you wont you will be fudged by the guy whose been putting up with your bad behaviour.
BLEED WELL.

 

[karan.1970]

Face the music lol did you face just a little bit in mumbai?with just 10 punks?
BLEED WELL.

Friend

Jiske ghar mein aag lagi ho, usko padosi ki kamiz me ched dekh kar khush nahin hona chahiye...

 

[karan.1970]

Wow, that sounds so out of this world! What kind of prank did he play on him that he would turn paranoid?

Read the story more carefully on who was going paranoid

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Friend

Jiske ghar mein aag lagi ho, usko padosi ki kamiz me ched dekh kar khush nahin hona chahiye...

Same goes for youwhat you sow so shall you reap .Aur apna ghar dekho dos you have 2 dozen insurgencies goes both ways.

 

[PakSher]

Let India invest its dollars, so we can benefit from that later in Afghanistan.

 

[Desert Fox]

@Aqil - Be ready to face the music from India as well .. you think we will give up our system in Afghanistan so easily ? You are wrong - I think the Indian government has a long term plan. Bleed you white in Balochistan to force you to stop bleeding us in Kashmir.
You stop this Kashmir blah blah and we will give up our Afghan network

you think we have forgotten East Pakistan?

 

[SMC]

The problem that Pakistan faces is that US that knows the complete details of how pakistan nurtured insurgency in Afghanistan both pre and post USSR war is standing against the same taliban that Pakistan created. Since US was fully in the know of Pakistan's strategy in Afg in the past, Pakistan has no hope in hell of wriggling its way out by pleading innocence. Because of which it has to watch helplessly as the US drones massacre its strategic assets in Afg. Knowing all this, when the world body hears pakistan accuse India of formenting terrorism in Pakistan, the reaction is pretty obvious. You may chose to discount it by calling it a falsehood or a partial reaction, but then going back to the strat of my post.. there is no reality in vacuum. Its all about perception...

Whatever the perception might be, it is not necessarily true. Perceptions are what states tell to their citizens and sometimes citizens of other states. And what they say will be in its interests, which may not be what really happened.

Now as far as the reality goes, of course there is a reality. What really happened. Very few might know what it is, but it exists. And it's pretty obvious that if some happened in a specific way, then that thing happened that way, and that's the reality associated with that event. Now everyone has their own version of reality for each events, but that's irrelevent. THE reality is always something that exists.

Now as far as the Taliban go, I am sure we have been over this before, but the Taliban was not nurtured by Pakistan, it was supported. Hope you can see the difference. And it was supported because it had high support in Afghanistan. Pre-USSR you cannot blame Pakistan because Middle east and US were the main supplier of weapons and Pakistan was only a pawn.

You referred to the Taliban as in insurgency. They are not an insurgency. They were during soviet invasion, but as soon as they won against them, they were not the insurgency anymore. And again, Pakistan did not nurture them, rather support them. There is a difference between the two.

Now as far as the common indian card goes, i.e. Pakistan supported terrorists, well which terrorists are you talking about? In Afghanistan? Because that's an extremely weak case. In India? Again maybe from an indian perspective, because the freedom fighters in Kashmir are called terrorists in india, but the world doesn't care about Kashmir (again its not in their interest). Outside of Kashmir, there has been no support. So again, where?

Now as far as massacring the Pakistan assets you talk about.. hmm, is it really that way? Do the attempts to talk to Taliban prove that version of reality of yours?

 

[Creder]

Man i just want this whole BS to be over, its so frikin depressing sitting here and reading news about sh**t blowing up all over the place.. hope the US gets out of there and everything can go back to how it was

 

[XYON]

Great than you should not have any problems with Indian presence...If you guys are like wrist and fist than what is this hue and cry about?? The truth is you feel insecure and the reasons are obvious....


Even great... President of the country also favors you....What else you want....What can india do if not only people of AF but also their president favor you....If what you are saying is truth then Pak has nothing to worry about.... Though reality might be different from your assesment...

When one has 'unnecessary pest infestation' in one's backyard, one takes action to remove the infestation! Quite Simple Really!!

 

[XYON]

Yes, I am talking about public, they have a very very negative idea of pakistan, and the pakhtoons you are talking about are not majority but the largest ethnic group which are 2 different cocepts. And abdullah? he is himself a Pashtoon but has his bases among Tajiks which are the second larget group in Afghanistan. Karzai himself a pashtoon is not fond of pakistan. Yes, people of afghanistan have life in pakistan due to their long stay in that country, but that will never change their mind about the negative policies of paksitan, especially pashtoons who consider NWFP as their own land which was stolen by paksitan, so stop ethnicizing the issues when you deal with afghanistan, otherwise you'll lose it all. you guys have already pushed non pashtoons away and the pashtoons dont like you because of durand line anyway.

Dude! Are you serious with your above 'analysis'? Obviously this is the Ghaanjaa that you may have smoked speaking!!

You have absolutely no idea on Pak-Afghan relations do you? This is actually good for us, we need fools like you t advise your government on sending more Indians to Afghanistan!!!

 

[karan.1970]

Same goes for youwhat you sow so shall you reap .Aur apna ghar dekho dos you have 2 dozen insurgencies goes both ways.

I agree.. I wish in my lifetime, I get to see our countries getting to a point where they mind their own business without meddling in others' affairs.. Life will be so much better for a common citizen then.. This is exactly whats holding us back.. Else there is no reason why India and Pakistan can not be like a china or europe economically...

 

[XYON]

I agree.. I wish in my lifetime, I get to see our countries getting to a point where they mind their own business without meddling in others' affairs.. Life will be so much better for a common citizen then.. This is exactly whats holding us back.. Else there is no reason why India and Pakistan can not be like a china or europe economically...

Let go of Kashmir & we can ALL live happily and merrily ever after like the Europeans or any 'peons' that you may desire.

 

[Kavin]

Pakistan's Afghan influence seen limited

ISLAMABAD, Jan 30 (bdnews24.com/Reuters) - Pakistan has shown support for Afghanistan's invitation to the Taliban to take part in a peace council but the old Taliban ally has only limited influence over the militants, who many expect will reject the offer.

The Afghan government on Thursday invited the Taliban to a jirga, or traditional council, during an international conference in London as its Western allies worked out plans to try to end the war in Afghanistan.

Taliban representatives were not at the conference. A spokesman for the group said on Friday his leaders would decide soon whether to join the talks.

Pakistan, facing an insurgency by indigenous Taliban allied with the Afghan militants, wants a peaceful Afghanistan but more importantly, it wants the growing influence of old rival India in Afghanistan kept to a minimum.

Pakistan is viewed with deep suspicion in Kabul because of its ties to the Taliban, whom Pakistan backed through the 1990s.

The hardline Islamists are the only Afghanistan faction over which Pakistan has any influence and can use as leverage to try to limit India's influence, and for the time being, Pakistan is likely to tread very carefully.

Main Taliban factions, such as those led by veteran guerrilla commander Jalaluddin Haqqani and supreme Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar, derive much support from supply networks and bases on the Pakistani side of the border.

As efforts to stabilise Afghanistan gather pace, Pakistan is likely to use those groups as bargaining chips, said Khadim Hussain of the Pakistan-based Aryana Institute think-tank.

"I don't think Pakistan is going to put all of its cards on the table. They will try to keep some of them for their own interests and agenda," Hussain said.

"Pakistan will keep the whole thing very vague so it can address its own interests and foreign policy agenda."

In an indication of the quickening pace of diplomacy, a U.N. official said members of the Taliban's leadership council had secretly met the U.N. representative for Afghanistan in Dubai last month to discuss the possibility of laying down arms.

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Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmud Qureshi said in London he was satisfied with the outcome of the international conference, which he said had addressed all Pakistani concerns.

Pakistan has long stressed the need for talks and Qureshi said Pakistan would help, if asked.

"Pakistan has said that we want the reconciliation process to be Afghan-led," Qureshi told a news conference. "If the Afghans so desire, we are willing to facilitate."

Underlining Pakistan's determination to keep India out of any Afghan process, Qureshi expressed satisfaction a proposal to set up a regional body including India had been dropped.

"Pakistan said there was no need for a new regional architecture ... Today, our point of view was understood and incorporated."

But analysts said the question of Pakistani pressure on the Taliban to get them to the jirga might be irrelevant if, as they expect, the Taliban reject the invitation.

"Pakistan does not have as much influence over the Taliban as it used to," said a former Pakistani ambassador to Afghanistan, Ayaz Wazir.

Even when Pakistan was one of three countries to recognise the Taliban government, they never took orders, he said.

"They would listen to Pakistan but then do whatever they wanted. Why would they accept our advice now when they're fighting on their own?," Wazir said, adding he thought the Taliban would reject the invitation to talks.

"If they wanted to take part in such jirgas then they wouldn't have fought for eight or nine years," he said.

"They don't accept Karzai and say he is imposed by the United States, then why would they join this? First they want foreign troops to leave."

Veteran journalist and Afghan expert Rahimullah Yusufzai said the Taliban had shown signs of flexibility, saying they would not let Afghan soil be used for attacks on others in an apparent reference to reining in their al Qaeda allies.

But he also said the Taliban were unlikely to attend the jirga and would repeat their demand for foreign troops to leave.

However, the jirga could lure some ethnic Pashtun tribes allied with the Taliban back to the fold, said Hussain.

"I don't think there is going to be any compromise by those Taliban closely linked to the international jihadist network," he said. "But as far as the affiliated tribes are concerned, they can be negotiated with."