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India Begins Manufacturing 400 T-90S Tanks For Army

Mk-1 was deemed too heavy and could effectively operate on certain terrains which is why the Mk-1A was developed and IA is placing an initial order for 118 Arjun Mk-1A tanks

https://theprint.in/defence/army-se...the-most-potent-tank-in-its-inventory/380869/
The plans have been there for 5 year now. Arjun is dead. Period. It makes no sense to have 2 types of tanks. T90 can operate in plains and desert condition too. Why use Arjun then? Arjun was just messing up done by UPA. It is not needed at all.

i fail to understand the need and the urgency, although i do understand the need to keep factories running but why not go for a little upgraded ones.
What is the definition of upgrade? Why do you think T90 itself can't be upgraded by India? Moreover, tanks have main requirement of heavy armour. So, there is very little upgrade one can do about that. The electronics upgrade for turret, guns etc are already done. India can fire a variety of ammunition from T90 in addition to ATGM rockets and the controls are also electronics assisted.
 
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Because Modi does not want to buy new weapons from Russia.

Will India Dare To Buy Russian T-14 Armata Tanks With Mounting US Pressure?



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Will India purchase T-14 Armata Tanks, considered as one of the most lethal tanks in the world? The Indian Army is looking to procure 1770 multipurpose future ready combat vehicles (FRCV) to replace the ageing force of T-72 main battle tanks (MBTs) and T-14 Armata Tanks are hot contenders. But, with immense pressure from the US and growing India-US ties, will Delhi dare to purchase the Armata Tanks?

The Armata Tank, a mean fighting machine, was unveiled for the very first time in 2015, at Moscow. The Defense Ministry of Russia is slated to purchase around 100 Armata Tank T-14s by 2020. The Armata Tank boasts of a highly computer integrated equipment, an un-manned turret and an independent armour capsule; making it an effective combat vehicle.

Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat started his six-day visit to Russia recently in what is being seen as an attempt to enhance India-Russia defence bilateral relations. The visit coincides with a bilateral annual summit between Indian PM Modi and Russian President Putin scheduled for October 5 in New Delhi during which defence deals worth over $10 billion are likely to be signed.

The Indian military delegation led by General Rawat is scheduled to meet the top officials of the Russian Armed Forces. Russia’s T-14 Armata FRCV is likely to figure in the discussions between the two militaries.

“The visit is yet another milestone in giving impetus to the strategic partnership between India and Russia and taking forward the military to military cooperation to the next level,” an Indian defence ministry statement reads.

Besides visiting the Mikhailovskaya Artillery Military Academy, the Headquarters of Western Military District in St. Petersburg and General Staff Academy, the Indian officials will also visit the headquarters of a motorized rifle division in Moscow.

The procurement process for FRCVs was launched by the Indian Army as part of a plan to acquire hundreds of armoured vehicles similar to the Russian T-14 Armata and South Korean K2 Black Panther MBTs. According to the recommended acquisition plan, the FRCVs will be manufactured in India by a private company in partnership with the overseas original equipment manufacturer.

https://eurasiantimes.com/will-india-dare-buy-russian-t-14-armata-tanks-mounting-us-pressure/
doesn't answer the question in yes or no. will india dare ?
 
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The plans have been there for 5 year now. Arjun is dead. Period. It makes no sense to have 2 types of tanks. T90 can operate in plains and desert condition too. Why use Arjun then? Arjun was just messing up done by UPA. It is not needed at all.


What is the definition of upgrade? Why do you think T90 itself can't be upgraded by India? Moreover, tanks have main requirement of heavy armour. So, there is very little upgrade one can do about that. The electronics upgrade for turret, guns etc are already done. India can fire a variety of ammunition from T90 in addition to ATGM rockets and the controls are also electronics assisted.
Exactly thats my point, why to order a 10 year older version when you can upgrade it and order a fresh piece with upgraded equipments. you can also save on old extronics and turrent on sub systems which will be upgraded and need not to be brought only to be replaced by better systems

We know the answer. India does not have the guts to dare. You are already delaying (Re: dropping) the plan to buy S-400s under US pressure.
i think you have wrong news, india already agreed to buy it with advance payments
 
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Because Modi does not want to buy new weapons from Russia.

Will India Dare To Buy Russian T-14 Armata Tanks With Mounting US Pressure?



Published

1 year ago
on

October 3, 2018
By

EurAsian Times Desk
11-26.jpg

Will India purchase T-14 Armata Tanks, considered as one of the most lethal tanks in the world? The Indian Army is looking to procure 1770 multipurpose future ready combat vehicles (FRCV) to replace the ageing force of T-72 main battle tanks (MBTs) and T-14 Armata Tanks are hot contenders. But, with immense pressure from the US and growing India-US ties, will Delhi dare to purchase the Armata Tanks?

The Armata Tank, a mean fighting machine, was unveiled for the very first time in 2015, at Moscow. The Defense Ministry of Russia is slated to purchase around 100 Armata Tank T-14s by 2020. The Armata Tank boasts of a highly computer integrated equipment, an un-manned turret and an independent armour capsule; making it an effective combat vehicle.

Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat started his six-day visit to Russia recently in what is being seen as an attempt to enhance India-Russia defence bilateral relations. The visit coincides with a bilateral annual summit between Indian PM Modi and Russian President Putin scheduled for October 5 in New Delhi during which defence deals worth over $10 billion are likely to be signed.

The Indian military delegation led by General Rawat is scheduled to meet the top officials of the Russian Armed Forces. Russia’s T-14 Armata FRCV is likely to figure in the discussions between the two militaries.

“The visit is yet another milestone in giving impetus to the strategic partnership between India and Russia and taking forward the military to military cooperation to the next level,” an Indian defence ministry statement reads.

Besides visiting the Mikhailovskaya Artillery Military Academy, the Headquarters of Western Military District in St. Petersburg and General Staff Academy, the Indian officials will also visit the headquarters of a motorized rifle division in Moscow.

The procurement process for FRCVs was launched by the Indian Army as part of a plan to acquire hundreds of armoured vehicles similar to the Russian T-14 Armata and South Korean K2 Black Panther MBTs. According to the recommended acquisition plan, the FRCVs will be manufactured in India by a private company in partnership with the overseas original equipment manufacturer.

https://eurasiantimes.com/will-india-dare-buy-russian-t-14-armata-tanks-mounting-us-pressure/
What has sanctions got to do with T90? India has already purchased S400, Ak203, 4 Corvette from Russia. Why would India care for sanctions in Tank purchase? India buys T90 because India manufactures it indigenously.
 
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This right here is the same portrayal of the infamous, doubtful mentality that Indians exhibited towards Pakistan so very easily, ever since 1947, even making laugh and joke about Pakistan's nuclear programme. Carry on guys. The more you underestimate Pakistan the more you will have surprises popping up. :-)

They themselves are aware of their lies, but portray otherwise.
 
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i think you have wrong news, india already agreed to buy it with advance payments

India wanted to bribe US with NASAMS II deal to avoid CAASTA sanctions but US has made it clear that they would sanction you if you go ahead with S-400 deal. Hence you have put the S-400 deal with Russia on hold.
 
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The plans have been there for 5 year now. Arjun is dead. Period. It makes no sense to have 2 types of tanks. T90 can operate in plains and desert condition too. Why use Arjun then? Arjun was just messing up done by UPA. It is not needed at all
The article I posted in from March 16 2020
 
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What has sanctions got to do with T90? India has already purchased S400, Ak203, 4 Corvette from Russia. Why would India care for sanctions in Tank purchase? India buys T90 because India manufactures it indigenously.

The sanctions are not for buying T-90 but if you buy T-14 Armata or S-400. That is for any new purchases.
 
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India wanted to bribe US with NASAMS II deal to avoid CAASTA sanctions but US has made it clear that they would sanction you if you go ahead with S-400 deal. Hence you have put the S-400 deal with Russia on hold.
source ?
 
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Check the highlighted part below. This is the reason why S-400 deal with Russia has been put on hold.


Russia’s S-400: Turkey, India ‘on same page’ amid US pressure
All eyes on US president’s meetings with Turkish counterpart, Indian premier at G-20 summit in Japan
Syed İftikhar Gilani |10.06.2019

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The U.S. has pressured Turkey and India to withdraw from their decisions to purchase the long-range S-400 air missile defense system from Russia.

All eyes are now on the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan scheduled on June 28-29, where both Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet U.S. President Donald Trump on the sidelines.

The U.S. has warned both countries that there will be serious implications on their defense and trade ties.

Modi, who began his second tenure on May 30, is grappling to deal with the Trump administration. Despite pursuing a U.S. friendly foreign policy, Trump has mounted pressure on India on multiple tracks -- trade, oil and defense.

Like Turkey, the Trump administration has offered the fifth-generation F-35 fighter jet for India’s air force and navy, if it scraps the $5.43 billion deal with Russia.

India had signed the deal with Russia last year in October 2018, after wide-ranging talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Modi. The deliveries will commence from October 2020 and will be completed by April 2023.

According to an Indian government official, only partial payments have been made by New Delhi given banking sanctions that are already in place for dealing with Russian defense entities.

Officials in New Delhi still believe that the American pursuit of a new Indo-Pacific policy to counter China will allow the Trump administration to consider a waiver.

The S-400 is known as the most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defense system. China was the first to procure this missile defense system to shield its cities from an invading missile.



- Common challenge

Both countries are in touch to work together to counter the common challenges like the U.S. decision to end exemptions to sanctions on Iranian oil imports.

Ibrahim Kalin, Turkish presidential spokesman, who was in New Delhi last month held talks with India’s National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale. He said Turkey and India find themselves on the “same page” on several pressing issues, including U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil imports and Russian military equipment, and the American plan to end the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) for preferential duty-free imports.

Newly appointed External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar on Sunday held his first telephonic conversation with Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu,

"Had a warm conversation with Foreign Minister of Turkey @MevlutCavusoglu that helped us build a personal and professional bond. Thank you for your good wishes. Look forward to closely working with you,” he tweeted.



US threatens India, Turkey

Last week, a senior State Department Official told a group of Indian reporters in Washington that New Delhi's decision to buy Russian system was not an ordinary deal and will affect India’s increasing military cooperation with the U.S.

“The S-400 is significant because of the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act [CAATSA] sanctions. It is also significant because of what it precludes, in terms of future high-tech cooperation," Indian news agency Press Trust of India (PTI) reported, quoting the official.

He warned that the deal could result in U.S. sanctions under the CAATSA, instituted by the U.S. Congress on arms purchases from Russia.

"You can look at the very serious conversation that's taking place with our NATO partner Turkey and the same concerns will apply, should India proceed with an S-400 purchase," the official said.

The U.S apprehends that the radar system associated with the S-400 would provide Russia sensitive information about the F-35 -- fifth-generation U.S military aircraft.

“We do not mix highest technology systems. There are threats posed by the purchase of an S-400. So that conversation you are seeing played out in Turkey right now," the official said, asserting that those same concerns would apply to India as well.

The Pentagon said it would end Turkish participation in management and manufacturing activities related to the F-35 program. Turkish companies are said to currently produce almost 1,000 parts for the F-35, including landing gear and fuselage components.

"While we seek to maintain our valued relationship, Turkey will not receive the F-35 if Turkey takes delivery of the S-400," Acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said in a letter to his Turkish counterpart Hulusi Akar.



- India watching US moves on Turkey

Senior Indian government officials, who wished not to be named, told Anadolu Agency that they are closely watching developments with regard to Turkey. The Trump administration has sent its Assistant Secretary of State for politico-military affairs R Clarke Cooper to New Delhi to make the case against the S-400.

The U.S. politico-military bureau in a fact sheet said Washington had offered India, the first non-treaty partner, a MTCR Category-1 Unmanned Aerial System (Drone) -- the Sea Guardian UAS manufactured by General Atomics.

It said the administration also "continues to support advocacy for the Lockheed Martin F-21 and Boeing F/A-18 -- two state of the art fighter aircraft to augment the Indian Air Force.

Brahma Chellaney, strategic thinker at the New Delhi-based premier think-tank Centre for Policy Research, said it was not a coincidence that on the first day of Modi’s second term, Trump announced the termination of India’s preferential access to the U.S. market.

In order to keep the U.S. in good mood and avoid sanctions, India had begun the process of purchasing the American NASAMS II (National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System) worth $1 billion, ahead of signing the deal for the purchase of S-400 with Russia.

The Defense Acquisition Council had approved the acquisition in July 2018. But apparently this deft diplomatic stroke has not gone down well in Washington.

The U.S had also offered India, to supply its advanced Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) and Patriot Advance Capability (PAC-3) defense systems, to wean it away from purchasing the S-400 system.

But Indian officials said the American system is coming at a higher price than the Russian S-400 system. They, however, maintain that in the days of cyber and electronic warfare, they would need both NASAMS-II and S-400 with different encryption systems, to counter emerging threats.




- India proposes to acquire two systems

Noted defense expert Pravin Sawhney agreed with the view. He argued that using the expensive S-400 against an incoming aircraft or an unmanned object like drone was not a good idea, as it was meant to protect against ballistic missiles.

“The S-400 is best used to protect major cities and high-value targets against ballistic missiles, which leave the atmosphere and then re-enter to high target,” he said.

The NASAMS, on the other hand, has limited range designed to kill offensive aircraft and other aerial vehicles including low flying cruise missiles. “India had been planning to employ the S-400 for offensive air defense and the NASAM for defensive air defense,” said Sawhney.

Experts believe while the S-400 was aimed to provide protection from Chinese missiles, the American NASAMS would prevent intrusion of any offensive aircraft from Pakistan.

Operationally, each S-400 regiment comprises two batteries with four launchers each; this makes a total of 40 launchers for five regiments. The S-400 can fire four different missiles: the long-range 40N6 missile with a range of 400 kilometers (249 miles); the long-range 48N6 missile with a range of 250 kilometers (155 miles); the medium range 9M96E2 with a range of 120 kilometers (75 miles); and the short-range 9M96E with a range of 40 kilometers.

The 40N6 is to counter Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACA), while the 48N6 is designed to destroy all air objects including airplanes, helicopters, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles up to the speed of 4,800 meters per second.

Five regiments of S-400 are aimed to protect two to three major Indian cities including the capital city of New Delhi.

According to India’s plans, the NASAMS was to be deployed on border areas to protect sensitive military installations to counter air skirmishes, similar to dogfights that took place on February 27 between the fighter jets of India and Pakistan, leading to shooting down of India’s MiG-21 Bison and arrest of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.

In the milieu, India also mistakenly shot down its own Mi-17 helicopter, killing two pilots and four personnel.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-s-s-400-turkey-india-on-same-page-amid-us-pressure/1500193
 
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Your frontline SU-30s ran away. So the less said about your T-90 tanks the better.
This sounds like false analogy. Just because Su30s disappointing does not logically mean T90s will not survive either. Syrian war suggests the opposite actually.
 
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India wanted to bribe US with NASAMS II deal to avoid CAASTA sanctions but US has made it clear that they would sanction you if you go ahead with S-400 deal. Hence you have put the S-400 deal with Russia on hold.
Why do you think India cares for CAATSA? What technology is USA offering India that will make India stop buying Russian arms? Ruasian arms almost always comes with technology transfer. Why would India stop that to please USA when USA offers nothing?
The article I posted in from March 16 2020
Written by presstitutes who have been writing nonsense for sometime now.

The sanctions are not for buying T-90 but if you buy T-14 Armata or S-400. That is for any new purchases.
T90 is made in India and hence no sanctions can apply. Even if Russia sanctions India, India can still make T90 tanks. Secondly, India doesn't care for CAATSA as it has no value. India doesn't get anything from USA worth the trouble. If USA doesn't sell arms to India, it is USA's loss. USA will suffer losses in trade and lose income from India. India buys arms from USA only to reduce trade deficit and no other reason. India doesn't get any technology transfer from USA and hence India doesn't gain by buying USA arms.

Newly appointed External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar on Sunday held his first telephonic conversation with Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu,
So what? Talking to a country's foreign minister is something new? Wouldn't a new foreign minister call the other foreign Ministers of other countries when taking charge to build better coordination?
Last week, a senior State Department Official told a group of Indian reporters in Washington that New Delhi's decision to buy Russian system was not an ordinary deal and will affect India’s increasing military cooperation with the U.S.
What military cooperation does India have with USA? Is it the useless military drills? India is not Turkey and is not part of NATO. India has no military ties with USA.

"You can look at the very serious conversation that's taking place with our NATO partner Turkey and the same concerns will apply, should India proceed with an S-400 purchase," the official said
Of course, it is concerning to USA. But it is not concerning to India. India doesn't care about USA concerns. Unless USA gives some technology transfer, USA can have no say in any defence related matter of India.

The U.S. politico-military bureau in a fact sheet said Washington had offered India, the first non-treaty partner, a MTCR Category-1 Unmanned Aerial System (Drone) -- the Sea Guardian UAS manufactured by General Atomics.
India doesn't need a drone. India wants technology of AESA radar, jet engine or semiconductor or something of real value. Drones are not something that India wants desperately.

It said the administration also "continues to support advocacy for the Lockheed Martin F-21 and Boeing F/A-18 -- two state of the art fighter aircraft to augment the Indian Air Force.
India doesn't need F16 in new name of F21. F18 is also not needed as it can't fly from STOBAR with enough payload. Indian Su30 is better than F18 and F16 except for radar and India is anyways about to upgrade it to AESA in Super Sukhoi upgrade. Why does India need these planes?
In order to keep the U.S. in good mood and avoid sanctions, India had begun the process of purchasing the American NASAMS II (National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System) worth $1 billion, ahead of signing the deal for the purchase of S-400 with Russi
India doesn't care for sanctions. But India buys arms to maintain trade balance. It is about economic balance rather than sanctions. Telling thins according to your fantasy is not reasonable
 
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Modern tanks without APS is a risk. Why army wants a 10 year old tanks which hasn't seen much upgrades yet.
 
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