Hold your ponies buddy...
Recheck the threads on JF-17 and FC-20. There are many posts which claim that JF-17 is better than F-16 blk15s and at par with F-16 blk 50s!! You are also one among those forummers who make such outlandish claims.
Likewise FC-20s are claimed to be better than Rafales, F-18SH, MiG-35s and even Su-30MKIs!! WOW.
Very very tall claims!
Let me ask you one thing, regarding the recent crash of a IAF Su30MKI. When making 'routine' training sorties why do you need two pilots of the Wg Cmdr rank to fly? Ever wonder what was so important about that flight that such high ranks were flying that sortie? For a plane with such a safety record in India, why did it just fall out of the sky? They were testing something which is highly classified! FYI, the homing software for the Brahmos land version was tested on the Mig-21 Bison - yeah the flying coffins! Take you guess as to what they were testing on the MKI then! Can you do that with the FC-20, let alone the JF-17?
I wonder why you make claims which you can neither substantiate nor recollect making them.
And oh yes, please refrain from calling people names, just shows your level of frustration and upbringing. Counter with valid points rather than vile words, for I believe people here have a far better vocabulary than you can imagine.
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Sorry, but I think you're the one who needs to hold on.
JF-17 is better than the F-16 blk15 in certain areas, such as radar specifications, medium range air to air missiles, helmet mounted targeting, data-link. Mainly electronics. In other areas it is inferior, for example thrust to weight ratio and airframe strength. You can check the sources for this info.
NOWHERE have I said JF-17 is at par with the F-16 blk50, this is grossly inaccurate. The APG-68v9 radar is far superior to the Chinese radar in the JF, large gap in thrust to weight ratio, for example. However with some modifications to the airframe (which are planned) and upgrades to the electronics (also planned), the JF could potentially become comparable to the blk50 and even blk 60 in many areas.
Again, NOWHERE have I stated FC-20 will be better than Rafale, F-18SH. I am not among that group of forummers.
FC-20 and MiG-35/MKI, lets not go there because that is off-topic. Please open a new thread in the mil. aviation section. Sorry, but calling FC-20 comparable to these aircraft is NOT an outlandish claim, especially considering it may be fitted with Chinese TVC engines and a European AESA radar.
I don't know why you are talking about the MKI crash, I haven't said anything about it. I also don't know if what you say is true that it was testing the brahmos ALCM. What I do know is that according to reports, the Ra'ad ALCM (search it up) has already been tested on a PAF Mirage ROSE fighter and the Mirage did not crash as far as we know. According to some respected journalists with inside contacts, there is a new variant under development of the Ra'ad ALCM designed especially for the JF-17, apparently it will be slightly smaller for easy carriage under the JF's wing hardpoints. I can't confirm the latter, but if a Mirage III/V can carry a Ra'ad, what makes you think the JF and FC-20 cannot? Both are far more powerful than a Mirage III/V.
Show me the claims I have made and then later cannot recollect making them. Of course some claims cannot be substantiated, it is up to you whether you believe them or not. Doesn't bother me either way.
Apologies for calling people names, but in certain posts people have crossed a line. I try as best I can to counter with valid points, but as you know, some posters are not interested in valid points.
The fist link provided shows a video in mandarin - which shows no crash landing or anything at all. It looks more like a propaganda video where the Chinese seem to be claiming that the J-10 has been crash landing certified or something like that.
Now in the second link is of a blog/forum. Now when did blog's or forums start qualifying as media outlets. What ever they say is unreliable at best. Show me one Chinese news agency that reported on problems being faced by the J-10 program or likewise.
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You said China would use propoganda and claim "their air force is the best in the world" if their air force was destroyed. I proved that they already do "propoganda" that their air force is at least a generation behind the USA and they can't yet even make decent turbofan jet engines.
I don't care about Chinese news blackouts RE Tienanmen, I don't care whether you want to believe those sources or not. Facts are facts and you don't seem to be interested in them.
No bad taste in my mouth, on the contrary it looks like you're the one who is bitter and suffering from some kind of inferiority complex after making such statements about China. Keep calling me kid, it is amusing. Again, like I said, just another internet idiot.
BTW I found a piece of Indian war propoganda you might like to know about. See this thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/27250-paf-mirages-war.html
Apparently the InAF claimed they downed 6 of the PAF's Mirage III fighters. The PAF later lined up 21 of its 22 Mirage III (the missing one was in maintenance) and a photo was taken, later published in a Western magazine. If you think China are the only ones who would do such propoganda in times of war, you are very wrong. Everybody does it.
Please never use this "idiot" again. This is more insulting than you think. Calling entire Indians and Russians Stupid is really bad.
And yeah , I can understand your level of knowledge by " China not interested in Russian SAM system"
just search how much China spent on S-400 . May be I can understand who is stupid & idiot.
I never called entire Indians and Russians stupid at all, I have utmost respect for Indians due to my religion and other personal things I will not talk about.
Just search on how much of the HQ series China manufactures, and we will understand who is stupid and who is an idiot. Do you understand how much effort goes into designing and building these things? How do you think a Chinese fellow would feel after that Russian kid (yes, kid) belittles their efforts by showing a picture of an old anti-aircraft gun?
If some Russian and Indian posters can belittle the Chinese in such a way, I cannot call them stupid idiots for doing so? Is that right?
ignore him too much knowledge can make anybody DHEELA
Thank you for your input, I look forward to reading more of your useful contributions.