In another thread I have replied to you that the reason for farmer suicides is farmers themselves.
i also remember you being casually dismissive about farmer gajendra singh's tragic death.
Who asks them to continue farming generation after generation.
i agree, there should actually be no professional farmer.
the traditional indian way of farming is unscientific and its output has led to indirect malnutrition among consumers and poverty and suicide among farmers... upon this mistake was built the huge mistake of the usa-government-led "india's green revolution" of the 60's whose result has been more suicides among farmers, cancers among farmers, poisoning among consumers and continued malnutrition among consumers... to remove this malnutrition is another international project, "golden rice".
instead, india in 1947 should have taken up two scientific and simple ideas that are being promoted in the world in recent years - urban farming and vertical farming... the first is growing food in cities/towns generally and second is growing food in multi-storey buildings... these done at neighborhood-level in a collectivized manner, within a socialist employment/economic/social system, and with village populations gathered into newly-created townships would have led to (a). zero suicides among farmers, (b). useful part-time employment of urban youth instead of full-time in useless or harmful corporations like 99 percent of software companies, all private banks, financial consultancies, soft drink producers etc, (c). scientific and clean food crop production, without harm for farmer and consumer, (d). removal of power from reactionary and anti-human rural structures like "khap panchayat", (e) a enlightened city-based population.
venezuela is doing good work in the "urban farming" area...
polis: Urban Agriculture in Caracas
Urban Agriculture: trying new things in Venezuela | eatcology.comeatcology
Venezuela supports urban agriculture
why wasn't all this done india decades back?? why is money still being wasted on purchases for a already-bloated indian military??
With each generation the size of land holding become smaller and eventually it becomes economically unviable.
a similar line was what i posted two hours ago in another thread... this is for present and historic context only...
Hindustani78 said: ↑
In 1998, around the inception of mass farmer suicides
Hindustani78 said: ↑
A recent study by the Madras Institute of Development Studies on farmer suicides indicates that more than 150,000 farmers committed suicides between 1997 and 2005
those two dates are contradictory.
Hindustani78 said: ↑
A recent study by the Madras Institute of Development Studies on farmer suicides indicates that more than 150,000 farmers committed suicides between 1997 and 2005
from ( Peepli Live is not about farmers - NDTV Movies )...
While most know Punjab as the land of plenty of green and yellow fields, big glasses of lassi and butter, thanks to Bollywood, not many know that in the last 20 years, over 40,000 farmers have committed suicide in the state. This is what Anwar's film that has been shown in festivals across the world deals with.
According to a report, 200,000 farmers have ended their lives since 1997 and it is said the rise in indebtedness is the root cause of farmer suicides.
so...
1. the article is from 2010 and indicates that punjab was known to have farmer suicides since 1990 at least.
2. the official number of farmers who suicided is not 150,000 but 200,000 ( at least ) and it "started" in 1997.
thing is, farmers in india surely would have been suiciding for economic reasons since 1947, just that only a few people ( the socialists, especially naxals mainly ) looked at the economic oppression in the countryside... the rest, especially the congress governments and the sanghis portrayed the indian countryside as a idyllic, jolly place and coined propagandist/false slogans like "jai jawan, jai kisan" and hid the true facts.
the urban people know of farmer suicides mostly in the last five years or so.
Hindustani78 said: ↑
WTO decided in 2000 that India would have to remove trade barriers that previously protected its own, local producers. Ever since, Indian farmers have found it harder and harder to survive. Products that they once produced for the home market are now undercut by cheaper imported alternatives.
from what i wrote above, wto doesn't have any direct role in farmer suicides in india.
besides...
from ( Jim Rogers exits India, says one can’t invest just on hope - Livemint )...
You have saved your farmers by making it illegal for foreigners to own more than five hectares—how on earth can an Indian farmer compete with an Australian farmer with 50,000 hectares? In history, India has been one of the great agricultural nations of the world—you have the land, the people, weather—God gave you everything. And then, he also gave you Delhi to mess it all up.
the article is from september 2015 and jim rogers is talking about protectionism in indian agriculture sector... unlike russia, foreign individual farmers ( or companies ) cannot own much land in india via government regulation... good, but then almost all indian-owned farms in india are really non-collectivized ( because non-socialist system ) small holdings which cannot on their own become exporters.
so again, wto doesn't have a role... this mess is totally a indian establishment affair.
Hindustani78 said: ↑
and today one farmer is committing suicide every 32 minutes. therefore demand for a complete debt relief not only from institutional debt but also of private money lenders.
debt-relief is a temporary thing... i think karnataka government is thinking on that line, but for permanent solution, a proper socialist welfare system ( across society ) must be established... there will be zero suicides then, of farmers and non-farmers.
as example,below is how any citizen ( and by consequence, farmers ) in libyan jamahiriya lived...
1. any person interested in engaging in farming was given free land by the system, along with seeds, tools needed and housing, for free.
2. electricity and water was free ( that too in a largely desert country ), and libya had history's largest irrigation system, "the great man-made river" project ( gmrr ).
3. housing for any citizen was to be lived rent-free until the resident wished... rent was considered a compromise on the freedom of the citizen and therefore anti-human.
4. medical system was free, and if treatment was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.
5. education system was free, and if that course was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.
6. education was of one's choice and could not be forced by parents or circumstance.
7. food was at low cost.
8. any person interested in establishing a business was given a start-up amount of 20,000 dollars, interest-free.
9. all loans were interest-free.
10. no private banks operated in libya.
11. for a person not in employment, he or she was given the average salary ( stipend ) for the person's choice of field of employment... in fact, this was a coming-down in later years from the early days of the al-fatah revolution... in 1979, a unemployed person was given 7000 dollars per month !!
12. libyan jamahiriya being socialist, all wasteful traditions were frowned upon, like 600-guest four-day weddings like what happens in south asia.
13. at weddings, the bride and groom were together given 50,000 dollars to help them set up a new home etc.
14. car purchase was subsidized by the system.
so tell me, why would any farmer suicide in libyan jamahiriya, when his material needs have been taken care of by the system, leaving him spiritually at ease ??
Only one family member per generation should indulge in farming. rest should go into services or manufacturing sector
1. the indian "software and services" industry is a crap industry mostly and is now in failure mode.
2. manufacturing should be converted predominantly into a neighborhood-level 3d printing based field... this of course requires significant change to the political system as well - decentralization of power... also, nonsense traditional-factory products, such as motorcycles, should be banned, which would not only release the labor force towards more useful employment but also directly would lead to a cleaner society socially.
no, we should have collective farming just like the DPRK
yes, we should.
even the non-socialist wikipedia page for "north korea" has this...
The agricultural sector was shattered by the natural disasters of the 1990s.Its 3,500 cooperatives and state farms were among the most productive and successful in the world around 1980
besides, go through this post from the beginning.
