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India-Bangladesh Relations: The way forward

Since 75% of bangladeshis voted for AL

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Even Awami don't support your hallucinating claim. You are naive and misinformed. You don't know the ground reality of Bd and I as a Bangladeshi just need to laugh at your absurd claim for now. you may want to visit bd and experience your claim in first hand as a Indian.:smokin:
 
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FOR A POSSIBLE INDO-BANGLA WAR I BELIEVE BD WD NEVER TAKE THE INITIATIVE,FOR BEING INFERIOR MILITARILY.........AND WITH INDIA LOOKING TO IMPROVE RELATIONS,CERTAIN WARMONGERS WD HAVE A LONG WAIT, I GUESS..............and al-zakir ever heard of the JOLOBONTON TREATY for the farakka barrage.........i think i posted it before...........

I heard it but your fascist country never implemented as agreed since the dam came about and unfortunately Bangladesh has been suffered since than and already desertizaton begun so conflict can not be taken out from table when comes to survival. If we are going to die any than why not with a fight?

As long as you Indian's build this dam to vanish us slowly than don't expect any good wish form us. Two way street is better than one way..........

Tipaimukh Dam: An alarming venture

Environment

Saturday April 25 2009 13:59:37 PM BDT

Prof Mustafizur Rahman TarafdarTIPAIMUKH dam located in Monipur state of India, by all definitions falls into the category of a large high head [162m] dam. Though learnt to be a hydel power project for generation of 1500 MW electricity, it will definitely work as a flood control dam for Monipur and the neighbouring Mizoram state and irrigation may be practiced in suitable land areas along the 1 km stretch of the Barak river up to the Bangladesh border and by the periphery of the reservoir perimeter.(The Daily Star )

Dam and international river

Since the river Barak-Surma-Kushyara is an international river, Bangladesh as a lower riparian country should have an equitable share of water and an access to the deign details of the project, planning and design etc. It is learnt that the construction that started in 2007 was halted due to national and international uproar and resistance against probable environmental degradation inside and outside Indian territory and unilateral withdrawal of water of the river which will turn Bangladesh's north-eastern lush-green fertile soil into a sandy dry waste land, during the dry reason.

Such action tantamounts to violation of international convention which controls/regulates the equitable share to water of international rivers/watercourses. The above topics were discussed in many forums in different meetings and seminars in Dhaka and Sylhet and in at least two published books, 'No to Tipaimukh Dam' and 'Controversial Tipaimukh Dam: Overall Review'.

If we have access to the planning and deign details of the dam we can see, apart from hydro-power generation, what else the project entails. Whether it has a component of irrigation in particular, as for irrigation they will use winter dry season flow which otherwise would have been flowing downstream for ecological and other uses in the lower riparian country. For any large dam the release of water in the low flow period for ecological use is mandatory by international convention as well as custom.

Dam Break Study

For every large dam there is an important study called "Dam Break Study". In olden days this study was done by thumb-rule calculation without use of modern technology. In USA dams constructed in the 30's had serious incidences of collapse. Now the computer assembles all study, data and design eriteria to ascertain the stability and strength of the dam against possible break/breach due to some acts of God like catastrophic hydrological events, severe earthquake or other events (like war). Different models are used to determine as to how to minimize high flood damages that might cause death and destruction downstream. In this case Bangladesh will be the poor victim. Tipaimukh dam impounding "billions" of cube meter (M3) of water, will naturally cause catastrophic floods (in case of dam break) for the dam is large and high.

Nigerian experience

The writer has the experience of review and analysis of a Chinese-built large and high dam in Cameroon, Africa, 40km east of Nigerian border on the large Benue river in 1980. In Nigeria its dam break study was performed. Design flood for this large dam was taken as 50,000-year flood. In the high hilly drainage basin of the dam, there was very high rainfall with consequent abnormal rise of water level of the reservoir in 1988 flood season which menacingly threatened the very stability of the dam, with water almost overtopping the dam. It was a rock-fill dam on which overtopping might have resulted in washing away of the dam with catastrophic consequences in both countries.

However, I am citing this grim episode for lessons for Tipaimukh dam design. If we can have an access to its design details, we can verify what flood frequency they had applied to arrive at design flood. As for any faulty design, if any catastrophe occurs, the sad outcome will fall on us in Bangladesh as a result of dam break.

For a dam of such magnitude and dimension a 100,000 to 500,000-year design flood should be considered adequate, particularly when the location of the dam is in a hilly earthquake-prone and a high intensity rain region of India.

Adverse effects

Adverse effects of the Tipaimukh dam will be staggeringly devastating and damaging for Bangladesh. Environmental degradation, economic crisis and hydrological drought will cause irreversible damage. Suddenly, the free flowing Surma and Kushyara rivers will turn dry and remain so for a major portion of the year (Nov-May) disrupting agriculture, irrigation, drinking water supply, navigation etc. Six to seven months dry conditions will stop/lessen recharge of ground water which over the years will lower the ground water level, affecting all dug wells, shallow tubewells, as it happened in south western region of Bangladesh as a result of drastic withdrawal of the Ganges water at Farakka. Agriculture that depends on surface as well as ground water will be affected seriously.

Surma-Kushyara with its maze of numerous tributaries and distributaries support agriculture, irrigation navigation, drinking water supply, fisheries, wildlife in numerous haors and low lying areas in the entire Sylhet division and some peripheral areas of Dhaka division. The river system also supports internal navigation, wildlife in haors, industries like fertilizer, electricity, gas etc.

The rosy, prosperous and healthy scenario may soon turn into history causing despondency desperation and misery to the people inhabiting the zone which is known for abundance of water, lush green field of crops and fish sanctuary.

Massive environmental degradation will occur, drastically affecting weather and climate, turning a wet cooler habitat into a hot uncomfortable cauldron. The severity of micro-climate causing heat and dry conditions will gradually increase in intensity spreading over a large area over the years. It may be mentioned that rainfall that the area gets for 4 to 5 months and flood water that will be released from the dam for a short period will not be enough to replenish the ground water. Climate and environmental change will force the farmers to reluctantly resort to planting low-yielding drought-resistant crops (unknown to them).

Sedimentation

Scarcity of water will cause siltation on river beds. When high rainfall will occur in the catchment area of the dam, enormous quantity of sediment-laden flood water will be released which will cause severity of flood in the Surma and Kushyara channels which would be already raised for low flow. This will further raise the water level causing floods in adjoining additional areas.

Navigation in river channels in the Meghna (combined Surma and Kushyara) will face depleted water flow and consequent sedimentation and severity of flooding in the wet season. Surface irrigation will be in jeopardy. The Meghna up to Chandpur will suffer from the adverse effects. The Meghna-Padma will have low flow which will accentuate saline backwater intrusion in the Padma channel which is already affected by the low flow for the withdrawal of water of the Ganges at Farakka.

Relevant ecological flow

The writer visited Bhumipol and Sirikit Dam sites in Thailand in mid seventy's. Though the dams were completed about 5/6 years ago the reservoir water level did not reach design level and the filling of the reservoir was continuing unabated during dry and rainy seasons. It was ascertained that water flowing (a good per cent of the impoundment) unabated through the outlet meant for release of water to maintain ecological balance in the downstream channel. The writer designed four major dams in Nigeria where, in all of them, there are separate adequate outlets for irrigation, water supply and hydropower and ecological flow for environment and emergency outlet for rapid evacuation of water for the safety of the dam.

It is expected that Tipaimukh dam will also allow ecological flow along with the equitable share of water for the international river Barak-Surma-Kushyara for Bangladesh as per entitlement negotiation.

Conclusion

Our government (JRC) may request India to postpone, better stop the construction of the Tipaimukh Dam if possible, through bi-lateral diplomacy or else seek intervention by United Nations. Sharing of water of Indus basin was negotiated between India and Pakistan with the assistance of the World Bank. A dispute on river Danube between Czechoslovakia later Slovakia and Hungary was referred to the International Court of Justice. In our own country Farakka issue was resolved bilaterally with India.

Our government (JRC) should soon start negotiation on equitable sharing of water according to our entitlement as a lower riparian of the international river Barak-Surma-Kushyara as per UN Convention. Unilateral withdrawal would be a gross violation of UN Convention that regulates the use of water of international rivers/water courses. Any delay in negotiation might end up in a pathetic situation, causing irreversible environmental, economic and hydrological chaos.

We may ask for design/survey data, drawings/maps etc, and EIA report prepared by the dam authority in order to verify if the Dam Break Study was made and whether EIA included adverse effects and mitigation measures thereof for the lower riparian Bangladesh. Environment-concerned institutions and individuals may even intensify resistance against the Tipaimukh Dam, as it is still in the rudimentary stage of constriction.

The writer, a water resources expert, is a professor of civil engineering in the World University of Bangladesh. He was formerly in World Bank, Washington DC, UN/FAO, Nigeria, Planning Commission and BWDB, Dhaka.

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=260034
 
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The treaty is implemented........the last time i heard of it was last week,when during regular power cuts the wb govt said that due to the treaty bd was given major amount of water for ten continous days.....resulting in less power supply.......so things are not as bad as you see......thnx
 
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Can someone make any decent and a bit mature suggestions pls instead of the usual ranting abt RAW and what not. Usually when two nations deal, they show maturity and follow protocol. instead of dreaming about how china, pakistan and bangladesh will attack india, can you pls write some stuff abt how india and bangladesh can co exist peacefully, how economic benefit to both be maximised, how security issues facing both nations be worked on jointly and all bilateral issues resolved amicably?

for this its important that bangladesh politics must mature and not depend on india bashing. also consensus is necessary within bangladesh. otherwise one govt solves some issues, like the ganga water treaty and the opposition starts riots saying its a sell out.

and abt war with india and the stupid arguments given by one member here on how india is scared of bangladesh, well all this big talk does not hide your complex, instead show some maturity and you will automatically earn everyone's respect.

on India's side, Indians must not give the impression to bangladeshis that they are being taken for granted. india must take the initiative in resolving bilateral issues and the current proposal by indian businessmen to open SEZs in bangladesh and invest billions is a right step forward. I think it will be the largest investment in bangladesh ever.

Industry body to invest $5 bn in Bangladesh | Sindh Today
 
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Can someone make any decent and a bit mature suggestions pls instead of the usual ranting abt RAW and what not. Usually when two nations deal, they show maturity and follow protocol. instead of dreaming about how china, pakistan and bangladesh will attack india, can you pls write some stuff abt how india and bangladesh can co exist peacefully, how economic benefit to both be maximised, how security issues facing both nations be worked on jointly and all bilateral issues resolved amicably?

for this its important that bangladesh politics must mature and not depend on india bashing. also consensus is necessary within bangladesh. otherwise one govt solves some issues, like the ganga water treaty and the opposition starts riots saying its a sell out.

and abt war with india and the stupid arguments given by one member here on how india is scared of bangladesh, well all this big talk does not hide your complex, instead show some maturity and you will automatically earn everyone's respect.

on India's side, Indians must not give the impression to bangladeshis that they are being taken for granted. india must take the initiative in resolving bilateral issues and the current proposal by indian businessmen to open SEZs in bangladesh and invest billions is a right step forward. I think it will be the largest investment in bangladesh ever.

Industry body to invest $5 bn in Bangladesh | Sindh Today

Trust and respect are things india need to gain first from Bangladesh and Bangladeshis. Indian went opposite direction for almost 40 years and doing more harm in Bangladesh that it did in last 4 decades. So your "wolf in sheep skin" play and pretense will not succeed and no one buying.

As for investment link for $5 billion, lets see if they can set up $5 billion SEZ in Kolkata first. This will end up just another indian ploy to grab land.
 
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Hasina is a good friend of India and so is AL. Since 75% of bangladeshis voted for AL

unicameral National Parliament or Jatiya Sangsad; 300 seats elected by popular vote from single territorial constituencies; members serve five-year terms
elections: last held 29 December 2008 (next to be held in 2013)
election results: percent of vote by party - AL 49%, BNP 33.2%, JP 7%, JIB 4.6%, other 6.2%; seats by party - AL 230, BNP 30, JP 27, JIB 2, other 11
 
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The landslide victory of the Awami League led by Sheikh Hasina in the December 29, 2008 parliamentary elections ended the two-year old political uncertainty in Bangladesh and marks the return of a democratic government. With 262 seats out of 299 for the Awami League-led Grand Alliance, Sheikh Hasina is entrusted with the onus of opening a new era in the history of Bangladesh. The mandate clearly shows that people voted to power the party that won the country’s independence from Pakistan, and rejected the BNP-led four-party combine which got only 32 seats. Along with the Khaleda Zia-led BNP, Jamaat-e-Islami faced the biggest rout in the elections. BNP bagged only 29 seats as against its tally of 193 in the 2001 elections. And the Jamaat-e-Islami plummeted to a humiliating 2 seats from a high of 17 seats in 2001. Jamaat was part of the BNP-led government from 2001-2006 when the rise of Islamic fundamentalism took shape in Bangladesh. This election also shows that the people have rejected the Jamat-e-Islami brand of Islamic revival.

Congratulating Hasina, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has assured India’s commitment to strengthening bilateral relations, while External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee expressed the hope that the new government would seriously and sincerely address the problem of terrorism. In her first post-victory media conference, Sheikh Hasina made the promising observation that “Bangladeshi soil will never be used to carry out any terrorist act against our neighbours.” Her remarks came in response to a question about New Delhi’s assertions in the past that Bangladeshi territory was being used for carrying out terrorist attacks on Indian soil. Hasina also reiterated that Bangladesh wants peaceful relations with its neighbours, indicating India.

Areas of mutual cooperation

Unlike BNP, the Awami League is generally considered to be an India-friendly party. From India’s point of view, there is a likelihood of a renewed push to improve bilateral relations. Given that India played a crucial role in the independence of Bangladesh and sheltered over 10 million refugees, coupled with the fact that currently some 20 million illegal Bangladeshis live in India, there is greater need for a close relationship between the two countries. India has always stood by Bangladesh. It provided aid worth US $37 million to help Bangladesh cope with natural disasters and floods in 2007-08 and is co-operating with it to rehabilitate 10 cyclone-affected villages in the southern part of its territory. And when food prices rose during 2008, India also announced that it would export 500,000 tons of rice at a reduced price to Bangladesh, despite a ban on rice exports.
For Bangladesh, good relations with India are crucial for strategic, economic, and geopolitical reasons. It is a well-known fact that better economic ties have the potential to spill over into the domain of politics as apparent from the experience of the European Community. Better ties in the economic realm is also likely to help the economic development of India's Northeast. Certainly, the resumption of train service in March 2008 between Dhaka and Kolkata after a gap of 42 years has opened up a new chapter in India-Bangladesh relations, as people from both countries will benefit culturally and it will strengthen mutual bonds. Apart from people to people exchanges, the train service could also benefit thousands of Bangladeshis seeking medical treatment in India. An estimated 600,000 Bangladeshis come to India each year; in comparison, only 80,000-90,000 Indians go to Bangladesh.

On March 28, 1972, India and Bangladesh had signed their first trade agreement. A revised Trade Agreement was signed in 2006, which governs present trading relations. In addition there are about a dozen MoUs for facilitating trade and economic linkages. India-Bangladesh economic ties have grown by 145 per cent in the last five years from about $1 billion in 2001-02 to $2.55 billion in 2006-07. India mooted the idea of a bilateral Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in 2002, and a draft proposal was sent to Bangladesh though Dhaka has not yet decided on it despite two rounds of talks in 2003 and 2004.

The meeting of Fakhruddin Ahmed and Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of the 14th SAARC Summit in Delhi in April 2007, followed by several reciprocal visits by Indian and Bangladeshi foreign ministers and secretaries, helped boost mutual understanding. With visits by top military officials, there has also been a revitalization of military cooperation. For example, Bangladeshi army chief General Moeen U. Ahmed's visit to India in February 2008 was followed by the visit of Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor in July 2008.

To take bilateral relations forward, India must seize the opportunity to engage Hasina on India’s security concerns particularly on two fronts: end of violence in the Northeast where infiltrators from Bangladesh are involved in terror operations, and a complete curb on terrorist organizations like Harkat-ul Jehad-al Islami (HuJI). India should also express its concerns about a new arms bazaar in the no-man’s land near the Bangladesh-Myanmar border town of Naikhangchari, which has become home to Indian insurgent outfits like ULFA, NFT and NDFB. HuJI is known to be imparting training to these outfits. On cross border tterrorism, India and Bangladesh have agreed to a joint fight, though much remains to be done.

Issues to be resoled

India-Bangladesh border management is one contentious issue that needs a lasting solution. In 2002, India began fencing off parts of the 4,090-km border to stop illegal migrants and suspected militants, though infiltration of Bangladeshis continues. From the security point of view, in the remote hilly areas of Dhalai district, where barbed wire fencing is yet to be erected, militants have been taking advantage of the long porous border. Moreover, innocent civilians continue to be killed while trying to cross the border, creating tension in the border areas. As a result, several incidents of BDR-BSF clashes have occurred in recent times.

Illegal immigration is a serious issue. A broad spectrum of Indian public opinion is concerned about the perceived demographic challenge from Bangladesh. Time and again, India has shared these concerns and the magnitude of the problem with Bangladesh.

Smuggling, human trafficking, and illegal movements are other issues that border forces have to deal with.

In March 2006, the two countries signed a bilateral agreement on mutual co-operation for preventing illicit trafficking in narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances. In July 2007, Foreign Secretary level talks in Dhaka between India and Bangladesh saw an agreement on three broad issues: sharing of intelligence pertaining to security; India agreed to provide greater access for Bangladeshi goods in the Indian market; and, the two countries agreed to take steps to implement the 1974 Land Boundary Agreement. Another long-standing issue is Ganga water sharing, including operation of the Farakka Barrage by India to increase water supply in the river Hoogly. Bangladesh often complains that it either does not receive a fair share of the Ganga waters or its territory gets flooded during the monsoons because of the release of excess waters by India.

Though India has tried to improve and consolidate its bilateral relations with Bangladesh, the latter continues to indulge in hostile acts, completely neglecting India's security and territorial integrity. Bangladesh does not accept that any militant camps are functioning in its territory. But the fact remains that some 172 training camps belonging to different insurgent groups have been operating in Bangladesh for a long time. Since the 1990s, the BSF has been regularly submitting lists of such camps to BDR at annual border meetings. But the BDR has rejected such concerns every time. According to the 1996 accord between India and Bangladesh, both countries are expected to disallow such training bases on their side of the border, though Bangladesh has not kept its word. The Khaleda Zia-led government deliberately ignored the disruptive activities of Pakistan's ISI aimed at destabilizing India's Northeast. The new government needs to address Indian security concerns firmly. A friendly and cooperative Bangladesh may gain much, as it could pave the way for an open border between the two countries.

India, for its part, needs to give renewed life to the "Look East" policy, with special focus on Bangladesh. Now is the time to refresh relations with a new promise and engage Bangladesh proactively to secure a violence-free Northeast and peaceful borders in the east.
 
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Can someone make any decent and a bit mature suggestions pls instead of the usual ranting abt RAW and what not. Usually when two nations deal, they show maturity and follow protocol. instead of dreaming about how china, pakistan and bangladesh will attack india, can you pls write some stuff abt how india and bangladesh can co exist peacefully, how economic benefit to both be maximised, how security issues facing both nations be worked on jointly and all bilateral issues resolved amicably?

for this its important that bangladesh politics must mature and not depend on india bashing. also consensus is necessary within bangladesh. otherwise one govt solves some issues, like the ganga water treaty and the opposition starts riots saying its a sell out.

and abt war with india and the stupid arguments given by one member here on how india is scared of bangladesh, well all this big talk does not hide your complex, instead show some maturity and you will automatically earn everyone's respect.

on India's side, Indians must not give the impression to bangladeshis that they are being taken for granted. india must take the initiative in resolving bilateral issues and the current proposal by indian businessmen to open SEZs in bangladesh and invest billions is a right step forward. I think it will be the largest investment in bangladesh ever.

Industry body to invest $5 bn in Bangladesh | Sindh Today

I dont think its $5 billion dollar on setting up SEZ??? It probably $5 investment SEZ + Industrial investment. Yes Indian Investor could get benifit of BD's duty free access to Europe Canada and China. Also we need some investment in South West region where the proposed SEZ will be setup as our Jutes are not doing good lately.
Does anybody could shed some lights what kind of investment India is keen to be interested in?? Any automobile related investment????
We love to have some cheap car man....
 
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I dont think its $5 billion dollar on setting up SEZ??? It probably $5 investment SEZ + Industrial investment. Yes Indian Investor could get benifit of BD's duty free access to Europe Canada and China. Also we need some investment in South West region where the proposed SEZ will be setup as our Jutes are not doing good lately.
Does anybody could shed some lights what kind of investment India is keen to be interested in?? Any automobile related investment????
We love to have some cheap car man....

There is some material in the very first post, it might be helpfull.:cheers:
 
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I dont think its $5 billion dollar on setting up SEZ??? It probably $5 investment SEZ + Industrial investment. Yes Indian Investor could get benifit of BD's duty free access to Europe Canada and China. Also we need some investment in South West region where the proposed SEZ will be setup as our Jutes are not doing good lately.
Does anybody could shed some lights what kind of investment India is keen to be interested in?? Any automobile related investment????
We love to have some cheap car man....

well i heard about the tatas steel plant project in bd......but i guess that damped up under the global economic meltdown....thnx
 
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well i heard about the tatas steel plant project in bd......but i guess that damped up under the global economic meltdown....thnx
Well Tata dont want to go with Coal anymore. May be too dirty for them now a days.:woot:
They wanted Gas but BD does not have enough gas with the price they agreed to pay.
They can still come.. but they have to stick with coal. No option.
 
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I dont think its $5 billion dollar on setting up SEZ??? It probably $5 investment SEZ + Industrial investment. Yes Indian Investor could get benifit of BD's duty free access to Europe Canada and China. Also we need some investment in South West region where the proposed SEZ will be setup as our Jutes are not doing good lately.
Does anybody could shed some lights what kind of investment India is keen to be interested in?? Any automobile related investment????
We love to have some cheap car man....

5 Billion is not the SEZ cost, the investment by indian companies in the SEZ will be 5 billion. and its a proposal and commitment by private industry in india, not govt of india.

not sure what industries it is, can anyone shed some light?

BTW do you think the govt will be able to provide the land? in some parts of india, it becomes politically very tricky, and with indian cos involved, won't certain parties in bangladesh try to create trouble?
 
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5 Billion is not the SEZ cost, the investment by indian companies in the SEZ will be 5 billion. and its a proposal and commitment by private industry in india, not govt of india.

not sure what industries it is, can anyone shed some light?

BTW do you think the govt will be able to provide the land? in some parts of india, it becomes politically very tricky, and with indian cos involved, won't certain parties in bangladesh try to create trouble?

Yes BD can provide land. Not an issue.
BD is setting up probably 10/15 more SEZ by govt fund. They officially declared, there will be no more EPZ(Export processing Zone) in Bangladesh. Not sure what prompt them with this kind of decission. Someway I support that as our domestic market could benifit from the products produced in those SEZ, and govt could collect some revenues as well.
 
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Trust and respect are things india need to gain first from Bangladesh and Bangladeshis. Indian went opposite direction for almost 40 years and doing more harm in Bangladesh that it did in last 4 decades. So your "wolf in sheep skin" play and pretense will not succeed and no one buying.

As for investment link for $5 billion, lets see if they can set up $5 billion SEZ in Kolkata first. This will end up just another indian ploy to grab land.

"wolf in sheep skin" so now you are also importing your propoganda phrases from China? :)

abt ur comment abt SEZ, it made no sense, but hey, that wasn't the idea was it? you just want to say something to provoke an angry response. I love you too brother :)
 
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