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Karachi is a brown city. It’s not just the arid landscape that dominates it. In part it is the male version of the ubiquitous national dress—salwar-kameez—worn in pastel shades. Mostly, it is the colour of the public and commercial architecture, betraying signs of an economic boom that was aborted by the early 1990s, before monuments of glass and steel came into style.

Nowhere is it more apparent than Karachi’s Jinnah international Airport, the biggest one in the country. It completed its last expansion almost a quarter-century back. And it shows, especially if you have flown in from the swanky new airports in Delhi or Mumbai.

Coming from India to Pakistan (or the other way round), the first natural instinct is to compare and contrast things with home. At first glance, apart from the Urdu signage, not much seems to separate Karachi from Delhi. It is a cliché, but people are really like us—and once they know you are from India, can be uncommonly kind and generous.
Roads are rather wider and smoother actually—but traffic signals are not much more than polite requests. The motorway-like city roads of Islamabad might give you the false impression that you are in a developed country.
Houses in the posh ‘Defence’ area of Karachi, named after the army-run upscale property developer—Defence Housing Authority, or DHA—can give South Delhi bungalows a run for their money in opulence and taste.

On the other hand, there is not much in the way of public transport, especially when compared to the Delhi Metro or Mumbai’s local trains. The spectacularly and lovingly decorated public buses—I was told that a bus or lorry owner may end up spending a princely sum of 10 lakh Pakistani rupees (about Rs6 lakh) on decoration alone—in Karachi are small and ramshackle, used only by those with no other option.
But nothing drives home the leap Indian cities have made more than the modern office complexes that have come up over the past two decades.
Good old days
It didn’t have to be like that. A decade ago, Pakistan’s per capita income was still much higher, despite India’s vaunted growth story, reflecting a lead consolidated over the preceding four decades.
Even as some Indians enviously heard and read stories of fancy imported cars on Pakistani roads and lamented the pre-1991 socialist choices of our leaders, a closer look suggests that there was not much to differentiate between the two when it came to policy.
Specific policies aside, it is surprising how similar the policy cycles have been on the both sides of the Radcliffe Line.
Pakistan had started on the back foot at its inception. After Partition, not only did India have the advantage of inheriting public institutions that had to be built from scratch in Pakistan, but India was left with a disproportionately larger share of the urban population, industry and transportation infrastructure.
But it wasn’t all bad for Pakistan. What it lacked in state capacity and industry, it made up in the lion’s share of the fertile, irrigated land of Punjab. Important raw materials, such as cotton and jute, were also plentiful in both Punjab in West Pakistan and Bengal in East Pakistan.
Policymaking during the 1950s and ’60s was basically the same on both sides. The essential elements of central planning, state-led and foreign-aid-financed industrialization, and import substitution were espoused by the leaders in both Karachi and New Delhi.
Soviet Russia was an inspiration for both. In fact, Pakistan started with the five-year planning system before India, but its first one collapsed in 1953 for lack of funds. Attempts to revive it fell victim to the emerging differences between the Bengali and Punjabi leaderships, sowing the seeds for Bengali disenchantment and eventually separation.
Meanwhile, India had stolen a march with a successful first five-year plan that surpassed its growth target and initiated large public infrastructure programmes.
Contrary to the popular perception today, independent India had started with a relatively liberal and open economic policy regime. While controls and quotas were there from the start (a remnant of the World War II economy), their implementation was fairly relaxed.
Amid Pakistan’s political chaos—it had seven different prime ministers in its first 11 years of existence—army commander-in-chief Ayub Khan imposed military rule in October 1958. Whatever the political and institutional consequences of martial rule may have been, General Khan ushered in the golden period of the Pakistani economy.
State capacity expanded, while the government invested heavily in infrastructure and heavy industry. Most importantly, an agricultural revolution was initiated—much before India was compelled to—and auxiliary industries to support a more industrialized agriculture came up in West Punjab.
Pakistan was not only achieving self-sufficiency, but had also become home to a burgeoning export industry, especially in textiles. Islamabad was relaxing its licensing regime while Nehru was embarking on his leftward tilt.
Foreign aid played an important role in the economies of both countries at that time. A more market-friendly economic regime and picking the right horse in the Cold War worked well for Pakistan. This was perhaps the first time when the policy frameworks started diverging.
By the middle of the 1960s, Indian socialism was being weighed against Pakistani pragmatism (as was Indian democracy with Chinese totalitarianism) and the latter was winning the race for foreign investment.
The world’s celebration of Pakistani economic growth at that time was also driven by the fact that foreign advice was readily accepted and implemented. All you needed was the nod of the General.
In India though, foreign technocrats ran into resistance from the democratic process and a sizeable cadre of local economists. Thus, the academic research and World Bank reports of that time were quite favourable to Pakistan.
However, the absence of effective land reforms and the development of West Punjab increased inequalities in Pakistani society—and more crucially, between West and East Pakistan.
Some two dozen families were said to own the whole country and the economic growth had failed to make a dent on social indicators. Yahya Khan’s failure to prevent the creation of Bangladesh not only overturned military rule but also Ayub Khan’s economic regime, replaced by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s populism.
Populist-nationalism was at its peak in the global south at that time—from Latin America to Africa, from Arabia to Asia. Indira Gandhi was at the height of her powers, and her radical populism phase was in full swing, in 1971 when Bhutto came to power as president.
Indira’s “garibi hatao” was matched by Bhutto’s “roti, kapda aur makan”. Redistribution and equity came to the forefront of policymaking and, once again, policy regimes in India and Pakistan converged.
Within a year of becoming president, Bhutto nationalized the banking system, insurance companies and all major industries. Like Indira’s economic vandalism, Bhutto’s populism was destructive for Pakistan. Private investment collapsed, foreign investment flew out of the country and incomes contracted. Inequality increased rather than decreased, while galloping inflation hurt the most vulnerable.
Both countries were engulfed in civil disorder by the middle of the decade. While India suffered the Emergency and eventually the Janata government, Pakistan got Zia-ul-Haq’s dictatorship and Bhutto’s death.
Even before the Emergency, a rethink of the restrictive economic regime had started in India and some baby steps were taken during the Emergency to ease restrictions. The Janata government tinkered with it a little bit. Only in the 1980s, though, did India finally start chipping away at its economic control and command regime.
With Zia’s entry in 1977, Pakistan ended its affair with socialism at around the same time. Defence spending, American aid inflows (after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan) and liberalization of industrial controls, among other things, helped revive and stabilize the economy.
At the expense of stating the obvious, this in no way mitigates Zia’s destructive legacy of religious fanaticism and terrorism the whole world is still living with. In fact, the sectarian violence, and the emergence of religious political parties that came with Zia’s politics, and the drug and Kalashnikov culture that came with Pakistan’s involvement in the Afghan War, was the undoing of Pakistani society and its economic prosperity.
As in India, the economic liberalization of the 1980s in Pakistan was accompanied by large fiscal deficits. Pakistan was forced to go to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in 1988—two years before India had to approach the Fund in strikingly similar circumstances. What happened next led to the relative—and it’s only relative—prosperity of India and the stagnation of Pakistan.
There was a clamour for deep and radical free-market reforms in both countries. Those were the years of the Washington Consensus. Both countries implemented some radical free-market reforms in 1991, though the process somewhat stalled in the following years.
The arc of Indian economic policy and development over the last quarter-century is a familiar one and doesn’t need repetition. While India made some striking gains and eventually became the darling of the global investor community, Pakistan became a laggard. Why?
It can’t be just be the instability at the top. Between Zia’s death in 1988 and Pervez Musharraf’s October 1999 coup, Pakistan had nine different governments. Well, India had eight. What was different was how the political institutions and participants reacted to this instability.
The conflicts of Mandir-Masjid-Mandal, divisive and violent as they surely were, seem to have been managed relatively calmly by Indian political institutions when one compares it with how the situation evolved across the border.
Political rivals were not exiled, or jailed, or bumped off. Despite the occasional bloody riot, cities did not descend into a spiral of violence. Contrast that with Karachi. Fears of “target killings”, that very Karachi phrase, can be heard in hushed tones in drawing rooms even today. (The equanimity of Karachiites, having internalized the violence, can be unnerving to outsiders, even to fellow Pakistanis.)
Chaos begets chaos, which begets dictatorship. The sociopolitical chaos of the 1980s and the ’90s led to chaotic and fitful policymaking and economic slowdown. While the Pakistani economy grew by an average of about 7% during the 1980s, the rate was down to just below 4% in the ’90s—per capita income even contracted during a couple of years. Amid the chaos rose another dictator.
For all his sins, and there are many, Musharraf is probably the most liberal leader Pakistan has ever had—both economically and socially.
Following an orthodox economic programme, the economy crept out of the 1990s rut and grew by an average of more than 5% before the great financial crisis struck and Musharraf was toppled. Society was also opened up and stuff wasn’t summarily banned at the drop of a hat—it is his legacy that you can find books as damning of Pakistan as Gary Bass’s The Blood Telegram or Christine Fair’s Fighting to the End in an ordinary Karachi bookstore.
Since the revival of democracy, governance has been patchy and the economy is now recovering from a crisis. The country was reclassified as an emerging market by the MSCI earlier this year and it successfully completed the final IMF review of a three-year assistance programme in August. Growth prospects look rosier, though reforms seem to have slowed down.
Meanwhile, India has tasted economic success and overtaken Pakistan on most indicators. In 1990, the per capita income (using 2011 constant prices) in India was 1,773 PPP US dollars, just 58% of Pakistan’s. It took India two whole decades to catch up and now we have lead of 20%.
But these figures hide the heterogeneity in income levels within the country, and India continues to have a much higher percentage of its population living under poverty. The contrast is starker when it comes to incidence of absolute poverty, and India has a lot of ground to cover.
A familiar churn

Keeping policy details aside, this stylized cycle of well-intentioned state-led development, to visceral populism, to corrective reforms, to the economic set-up of the present day has been very similar for both India and Pakistan. So perhaps economic historians should focus less on individuals and leaders, for ideas have a force of their own and economic development frameworks seem to work as fads.
Moreover, the different outcomes for the two neighbours makes it clear that the quality of Indian institutions and their ability to bend but not break under the weight of social divisions and instability have had a much more decisive role in determining our fortunes.
 
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It was very well known that Pakistan was very much ahead of the economy game until India opened up in the 90s. The only real factor being that Pakistan failed to capitalize on the economic growth by building its industrial base. CPEC type project should have been implemented long back.
Atleast things are falling in place now.
And really - India to Central Asia, China to the Gwadar port are the two best transit points to have right now. Pakistan should work out on how to have both of these. You can literally ride the wave of economic growth of these two giants without having to do all the hard word that those two are doing.
 
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It was very well known that Pakistan was very much ahead of the economy game until India opened up in the 90s. The only real factor being that Pakistan failed to capitalize on the economic growth by building its industrial base. CPEC type project should have been implemented long back.
Atleast things are falling in place now.
And really - India to Central Asia, China to the Gwadar port are the two best transit points to have right now. Pakistan should work out on how to have both of these. You can literally ride the wave of economic growth of these two giants without having to do all the hard word that those two are doing.

Pakistan built everything from scratch apart .. At the birth we had nothing but 2 condemned factories and 1 university.

The 3 biggest factors that contributed to our bad economic condition in my opinion are;

Bhuttos failed nationalisation policy which set us a generation behind.

US sanctions in the 90s that effected is much more than India which is a large country with soviet backing.


The recent war on terror and the series of biblical natural disasters like massive floods that engulfed 1/3 of our country ,2005 earthquake that killed almost 1 hundred thousand people and more annual floods...

Apart from the Fukin biblical corruption by the previous PPP govt and even the current one..
 
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Yep the Pakistani v Indian economic story reminds me of the hare and the Tortoise tale. Currently the Pakistani hare is still sitting on the roadside catching his breath.
 
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Pakistan is a small country and India is big one. Obviously 200million ppl per capita will go up significantly even for a small increase in GDP but that is not the case with India with 1 billion plus. That will happen only when India reaches 5 or 6 trillion dollars economy. Its only morons who will compare apples to oranges with taking a holistic view of things.

Yep the Pakistani v Indian economic story reminds me of the hare and the Tortoise tale. Currently the Pakistani hare is still sitting on the roadside catching his breath.
turbo lag for a 6000 cc engine is higher than that of 1000cc engine but once it kicks in.......
Not to mention our democracy which can never be matched by pakistan.
 
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turbo lag for a 6000 cc engine is higher than that of 1000cc engine but once it kicks in.......
Not to mention our democracy which can never be matched by pakistan.

India does have a bigger capacity. Hey Pakistan has a democracy as well, not the best, but I'm sure Nawaz will see out his term. India kicked dynasty politics, Pakistan will hopefully follow.
 
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India does have a bigger capacity. Hey Pakistan has a democracy as well, not the best, but I'm sure Nawaz will see out his term. India kicked dynasty politics, Pakistan will hopefully follow.
India spent first 3 decades after independence strengthening democratic institutions until Indira tried to hijack it. As such it is a long process. Now during that era we ended up foregoing lot of economic growth due to socialistic policies. Now if pakistan tries to do the same either it has to leave some segment of population behind or take a hit on economy. Pakistans growth can be more due to autocrats who were able to push projects just like china but not so in democratic setup where there will be opposition to every decision.
 
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Decent article

At first glance, apart from the Urdu signage, not much seems to separate Karachi from Delhi. It is a cliché, but people are really like us
That coz more than half of them in Karachi are from Delhi stupid. Go to Southall, London and a Sikh from Amritsar would fit in like a well used glove, because more than half of Southall, London are second generation Sikh migrants from Amritsar

This "us same" is a annoying cliche ..

Is this London or Amritsar below? Ignore the Roman script signs [Urdu signs].

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Pakistan built everything from scratch apart .. At the birth we had nothing but 2 condemned factories and 1 university.

The 3 biggest factors that contributed to our bad economic condition in my opinion are;

Bhuttos failed nationalisation policy which set us a generation behind.

US sanctions in the 90s that effected is much more than India which is a large country with soviet backing.


The recent war on terror and the series of biblical natural disasters like massive floods that engulfed 1/3 of our country ,2005 earthquake that killed almost 1 hundred thousand people and more annual floods...

Apart from the Fukin biblical corruption by the previous PPP govt and even the current one..

So as always and as you and the "clan" that works on here, you started by putting the blame of Pakistan's systematic economic fall back to "Pakistan had to develop everything from scratch", and then onwards to the "US sanctions" and then to the corrupt governments in the past 8 years.

Totally forgetting that in the past three years, the amount of projects / work the current government is under taking and will finish majority of which before leaving, is more than any other regime (military for the 55 or so years). So let's write somewhat truth once in a while. It doesn't hurt to blame where it belongs to.

Pakistan's ONLY fall back was the military rule that lasted for over 5.5 decades of her almost 7 decade total life. When you put in people on all big seats, who've only been trained to fight, win or lose, they can't negotiate, communicate, do business or trade deals with anyone. Nor would bigger democratic systems would want to deal with the generals as in the rest of the world, they are just public servants and do not, and can not cross the lines into running the government after over throwing civilian elected systems.

Similarly, when these people are in the power seats, they have no idea how to estimate growth and come up with an economic policy to support economy and population growth for the decades to come. These are all civilian and business matters and nothing that any military or generals specialize in. This same reason also disrupted a democratic system and institutions to be developed. Combine all that, it gave birth to corruption, serious violence (from Zia's time) and destruction of growth in terms of economy and a government system.

Hopefully, these are the things of the past. At this time, the current government of Pakistan has really started everything that needed to happen over the past 60 years but didn't happen due to reasons defined above. The foundation of economic and national growth would be in place by 2018 and with 2018 / 21st century's standards. So from this point on, Pakistan (as long as democracy, a system and peace remains in place), Pakistan will grow as one of the fastest growing economy. The Pakistani stock market has already proved this.
 
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So as always and as you and the "clan" works on here, you started by putting the blame of Pakistan's systematic economic fall back to "Pakistan had to develop everything from scratch", and then onwards to the "US sanctions" and then to the corrupt governments in the past 8 years.

Totally forgetting that in the past three years, the amount of projects / work the current government is under taking and will finish majority of which before leaving, is more than any other regime (military for the 55 or so years). So let's write somewhat truth once in a while. It doesn't hurt to blame where it belongs to.

Pakistan's ONLY fall back was the military rule that lasted for over 5.5 decades of her almost 7 decade total life. When you put in people on all big seats, who've only been trained to fight, win or lose, they can't negotiate, communicate, do business or trade deals with anyone. Nor would bigger democratic systems would want to deal with the generals as in the rest of the world, they are just public servants and do not, and can not cross the lines into running the government after over throwing civilian elected systems.

Similarly, when these people are in the power seats, they have no idea how to estimate growth and come up with an economic policy to support economy and population growth for the decades to come. These are all civilian and business matters and nothing that any military or generals specialize in. This same reason also disrupted a democratic system and institutions to be developed. Combine all that, it gave birth to corruption, serious violence (from Zia's time) and destruction of growth in terms of economy and a government system.

Hopefully, these are the things of the past. At this time, the current government of Pakistan has really started everything that needed to happen over the past 60 years but didn't happen due to reasons defined above. The foundation of economic and national growth would be in place by 2018 and with 2018 / 21st century's standards. So from this point on, Pakistan (as long as democracy, a system and peace remains in place), Pakistan will grow as one of the fastest growing economy. The Pakistani stock market has already proved this.

Please die ..
 
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nice read.. it seems all the good bits in pakistan was done by dictators(for economic prosperity)... no wonder pakistanis love their dictators and hate the
ir civilian govt.

Our civilian leaders have been corrupt.. our dictators not as much...
 
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