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That was the whole thought behind american push for india... offcourse they knew it will not succeed, and will be blocked hy china...
They wanted relation to go sour between the two
 
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That was the whole thought behind american push for india... offcourse they knew it will not succeed, and will be blocked hy china...
They wanted relation to go sour between the two

What relations between China and India?

You mean the relation where China backed a terrorist against India in UN?

And you think Indians did not plan for aftermath of China blocking India's bid for NSG?;)
 
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It may have been the intention all along. NSG admission may actually have hurt India in the long run (if China deficit was allowed to continue with no countering) compared to the result now. Our trade with the world is 99.999% composed of non-nuclear trade ;)

Absolutely, controlling CAD is more important than NSG title.
 
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What relations between China and India?

You mean the relation where China backed a terrorist against India in UN?

And you think Indians did not plan for aftermath of China blocking India's bid for NSG?;)


NSG membership requires consensus of all members...even a single member opposing means no membership....

Can you please highlight what india has planned now??
 
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People here are passing comments during a test match only when one innings is over.

There are more innings, so, wait & watch.

And in every inning, China still has veto power. :P

Which means we can always shut it down, for any reason. Hell, we don't even need to give a reason.

One day India will finally come to their senses and give a decent offering instead of trying to play tricks.

They spent so much political capital and hard cash just to fail here. When they could have just negotiated with China to begin with, but that would be too logical.
 
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The BJP government's misadventure to pit Beijing against New Delhi on a global forum will incur a huge cost.

POLITICS
| 5-minute read | 25-06-2016

ASHOK SWAIN
http://www.dailyo.in/user/11846/ashoswai
The Nuclear Supply Group (NSG) annual plenary session in Seoul ended on June 24 even without a discussion on India's membership application. Whatever the official spin, this outcome was not unexpected.

No one questions India's eligibility to be a member of this exclusive club, however the diplomatic blitzkrieg approach Narendra Modi and his foreign policy "team" took to achieve it raises serious doubts about their basic understanding of the realpolitik in the post-2008 world.

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This 'event management' style of foreign policy has become too costly for India.
By not becoming a member of NSG, which was formed mainly in response to India's first nuclear test in 1974, India has not lost much per se.

Most of membership benefits have been already accrued due to the grant of an exemption by this export-control cartel, which was negotiated diligently by the UPA government in 2008.

Only tangible benefit India can get by being a member of the NSG is that it can prevent Pakistan from being a member in future.

Also read - Foolish to even think China will support India's NSG bid

Thus it is obvious to ask why Modi raised the stakes on pushing the agenda. Undoubtedly, it would have given him and his supporters the possibility to drumbeat the hype of his stature as a "global leader".

However, this "event management" style of foreign policy without a comprehensive global power analysis has become too costly for India.

Foreign policy success since the AB Vajpayee regime to de-hyphenate India from Pakistan in the global arena has taken a serious beating with Modi's misadventures.

Upon failing to get NSG membership, Modi administration tries to spin that it had managed to isolate China in Seoul and successfully created a near consensus in the favour of its application. This is merely a lie.

Only 32 members out of 48 have supported India's application. Not only China, but Brazil, Ireland, Austria, South Africa, Turkey, New Zealand too have openly opposed India's membership over the NPT issue.

Even Switzerland, in spite of Modi's recent photo-op with its President, refused to endorse India's application sans NPT.

Since 2008, India had managed to secure itself from being censured on the NPT issue, but Modi has exposed India yet again.

The list of losses for the thoughtless hoopla over NSG membership is a long one. It has enhanced Pakistan to be hyphenated with India and has also exposed the country to global pressure over signing the NPT.

The immense negative blow of this senseless jingoism in Modi's foreign policy is that it has helped China to shed its inhibition in openly coming out against India in global fora.

Some Modi supporters are trying hard to paint it as a success as India is finally playing power politics at the big table.

Playing power politics in the big league is praiseworthy, but if you do not have enough firepower to play the game it can be suicidal. China, in spite of its huge economic strength and massive domination in both conventional and nuclear military hardware, was reluctant to even enter into any confrontation with the global power system until the 2008 global financial crisis.

But Modi, ever in a hurry to prove himself, does not want to wait for the right moment.

In open confrontation with China, India has most to lose. We have a ballooning trade deficit vis-à-vis China.

In the last year, deficit figure has reached close to 50 billion dollars in China's favour. Moreover, while China exports telecommunications equipment, computer hardware, industrial machinery and other manufactured goods, India sends back mostly raw materials such as cotton yarn, gems and other precious metals like copper and iron ore.

The character of exported goods exposes the state of industrial development of exporting countries. On industrial and economic development fronts, India lags at least two decades behind China, if not more.

In economic terms, India needs China more than China needs India. While China is extremely adept in dealing with emotive issues, not affecting its bilateral commercial ties, India does not have much experience in managing this contradiction.

After open confrontation over the NSG membership, the hawkish views on China within Sangh Parivar could very likely gain traction and that might affect bilateral trade relations.

China not only has the upper hand over the bilateral trade, but also upstream control over a large portion of India's river water, originating from the Himalayas.

While India has been traditionally playing the powerful role of an upstream riparian vis-à-vis Bangladesh with respect to the Brahmaputra river, that honour has now gone to China after its decision to build five major dams on the river.

Also read - Politics behind India's bid for NSG

China has also built dams on the upper reaches of the Indus and Sutlej rivers. India is now to a large extent dependent on China for the execution of its grand river-linking plan to meet the growing water scarcity in the country.

China's influence is immense on most of India's neighbours. One doesn't need to elaborate China's control over its "iron brother" Pakistan and "ideological brother" Myanmar.

For many years now, China has also cultivated its strategic assets in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives.

Even in Nepal, China is playing the role of a kingmaker. To counter China in the neighbourhood, India possesses a single Dalai Lama card, and that is fast losing its importance in front of China's increasing global power and influence.

It is critical that Modi and his foreign policy team make an honest evaluation of the risks attached to enticing China to an open confrontation. India has already gone ahead in cooperating with the United States to militarily contain China.

While Modi actively collaborates in the containment of China, at the same time, expecting China not to reciprocate in the same coin is not only amateurish, but also plain foolhardy.

The failure at Seoul is not a big deal. However, Modi's misadventure to pit India against China will incur the country a huge cost.

The latter's nuisance value is immense over India's goals of achieving economic development, food security as well as internal stability and regional cooperation.

Without China's support, India can never fulfill its dream of becoming a permanent member of the Security Council.

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/modi-government-nsg-india-china-ties-npt-seoul/story/1/11385.html

Not trying to influence your opinion but i believe China should never submit to psychological warfare being played by India...Indians are shamelessly trying to make China appear bad cop despite knowing others opposed their bid too. This shows a very rude and unethical on part of India. It requires tremendous confidence (shame u should read) to do such thing. I believe that China should keep pressure on India time by time. It is very necessary to put them in check. They have opposed CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor) , singed Logistics agreement with US, involved in encouraging China and Pakistan separatist factions, blocking of Nepal and what not. If allowed go uncheck, they'll wreck havoc in this region. They need some nice and humble attitude and only Pakistan and China can provide them that. They need some really serious taming because they are riding too high, crossing their limits and looking down upon us.
On the other hand, We Pakistanis are going very well along with you. Will Love to see more close cooperation with you guys in future in every arena of the world. :-) :pakistan::china:

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I do not think so...Rather It was obvious that China will stand by Pakistan..China and India relationship is just like more transactional relationship...So without getting anything in return, China will not accommodate India's interest..Rather it is not crystal clear than China and its priority is clearly visible for India which will propel and force India to be inclined more towards US...So ultimate beneficiary of this process is the USA...
 
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Not trying to influence your opinion but i believe China should never submit to psychological warfare being played by India...Indians are shamelessly trying to make China appear bad cop despite knowing others opposed their bid too. This shows a very rude and unethical on part of India. It requires tremendous confidence (shame u should read) to do such thing. I believe that China should keep pressure on India time by time. It is very necessary to put them in check. They have opposed CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor) , singed Logistics agreement with US, involved in encouraging China and Pakistan separatist factions, blocking of Nepal and what not. If allowed go uncheck, they'll wreck havoc in this region. They need some nice and humble attitude and only Pakistan and China can provide them that. They need some really serious taming because they are riding too high, crossing their limits and looking down upon us.
On the other hand, We Pakistanis are going very well along with you. Will Love to see more close cooperation with you guys in future in every arena of the world.

Sir, my humble thought is this:

I know China already know how India think in regards to foreign affairs. China will not yield or give in to India interest that will harm China or Pakistan. That is the right way to engage in world affairs. India can make China look like the bad cop but it does not matter to China. In the end this incident will have been forgotten and India will not be part of NSG.

And in every inning, China still has veto power. :P

Which means we can always shut it down, for any reason. Hell, we don't even need to give a reason.

One day India will finally come to their senses and give a decent offering instead of trying to play tricks.

They spent so much political capital and hard cash just to fail here. When they could have just negotiated with China to begin with, but that would be too logical.
Yes, very true my friend. I forgot China had veto power.
 
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For Indians...Who were jumping up and down on every thread that 47 out of 48 countries have supported India's application...it was only EVIL China...!
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Only 32 members out of 48 have supported India's application. Not only China, but Brazil, Ireland, Austria, South Africa, Turkey, New Zealand too have openly opposed India's membership over the NPT issue.

Even Switzerland, in spite of Modi's recent photo-op with its President, refused to endorse India's application sans NPT.
 
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And in every inning, China still has veto power. :P

Which means we can always shut it down, for any reason. Hell, we don't even need to give a reason.

One day India will finally come to their senses and give a decent offering instead of trying to play tricks.

They spent so much political capital and hard cash just to fail here. When they could have just negotiated with China to begin with, but that would be too logical.

Decent offering to Chinese?
Don't worry, we will sure make a great offering to Chinese ;)
 
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Hypocrisy? That word literally translates to say one thing and do another. Lets see. China told India that it will let it join the NSG and then when it came time at the table voted against it. No, that did not happen. In the other instance. One of the major rules of all countries currently participating in the NSG is being a signatory of the NPT. The US being one of the main proposers of that rule. Today it was the one looking the other way of that said rule. That my kind sir is what Hypocrisy means. Now if someone was smart and see what the US did here it would be all but obvious. In the past when the US needed something to happen it would change the rules first and then it would be all legal. Pushing India to hit the rule wall was just more fuel to the conspiracy theorist.

What I mean by Hypocrisy is in one place it takes the high ground by brandishing the rule book, but when it comes to SCS they disregard the rule book completely, that's called Hypocrisy. Its not just SCS, China like Pakistan is also a nuclear proliferate state which directly helped Pakistan and NK. What more they were ready for India and Pakistan both to enter without NPT too :lol:

These rules were put in place by US and other countries which were more than willing to bend them for India which is one of biggest emerging counties in economy and democracy. So what is China's problem with bending them? Its not hypocrisy on US part, its about the ground reality. India has to be accommodated, its not a small timid country which has no impact on the world, just like China was accommodated before.

Those who are saying there were more than one country against India are incorrect. Only China along with Turkey were adamant to the discussion of Indian case, others raised procedural concern and not about the NPT clause.
 
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That reply did not concern Pakistan one little bit. How much does Pakistan trade with China (its all weather friend) compared to India do you know?
May be some of us dnt measure everything in term of dollars .
 
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May be some of us dnt measure everything in term of dollars .

Well he brought in Pakistan for no reason when I was talking about India - China trade and what actions can be taken....so I was wondering if he even knew.
 
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Well he brought in Pakistan for no reason when I was talking about India - China trade and what actions can be taken....so I was wondering if he even knew.
Fair enough . People need to clam down about this issue . It is success of India how they emerge on global arena .
I personally wish them all the success and hope it turns out to be better for all Indian people
 
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What I mean by Hypocrisy is in one place it takes the high ground by brandishing the rule book, but when it comes to SCS they disregard the rule book completely, that's called Hypocrisy. Its not just SCS, China like Pakistan is also a nuclear proliferate state which directly helped Pakistan and NK. What more they were ready for India and Pakistan both to enter without NPT too [emoji38]

These rules were put in place by US and other countries which were more than willing to bend them for India which is one of biggest emerging counties in economy and democracy. So what is China's problem with bending them? Its not hypocrisy on US part, its about the ground reality. India has to be accommodated, its not a small timid country which has no impact on the world, just like China was accommodated before.

Those who are saying there were more than one country against India are incorrect. Only China along with Turkey were adamant to the discussion of Indian case, others raised procedural concern and not about the NPT clause.
Proliferation should be a big deal . Either one should make bombs or not that should be the concern . Having bombs should be the problem, not If u make it ur self or got it from somewhere.
 
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