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ISLAMABAD: The Nuclear Suppliers Group on Thursday failed to reach consensus on India’s membership application after several members of the international nuclear trade cartel insisted on adhering to Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) condition for admission, thus blocking Delhi’s entry for now, a diplomatic source said.

The group decided that it would deal with non-NPT states with an even hand, the source added.

A formal announcement would be made at the conclusion of the NSG’s plenary meeting in Seoul on Friday.

The countries that opposed India’s application included China, Russia, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey. To India’s shock, some of the countries that had initially pledged support for its candidature did not do so at the meeting.

Read: China snubs India over NSG

Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment, tweeted that about a quarter of the 48 member-NSG raised issues about Indian candidature.

The NSG works through consensus and India would not have been able to make it into the club even if a single country had opposed its application.

The criticism of India was not only that it had not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), but also that it had not fulfilled the commitments it made while getting NSG waiver in 2008. It has neither made progress towards CTBT nor has separated its civilian and military nuclear reactors.

India is said to be runnng the largest unsafeguarded nuclear programme with a fissile production capacity 7.7 times greater than that of Pakistan.

China was the main challenger of the Indian bid, which was being backed by a number of Western countries. Beijing was opposed to giving exception to New Delhi and had been demanding deliberations on the accession of non-NPT countries.

Indian hopes about ending Chinese opposition had revolved around a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO summit in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. But the interaction did not achieve that and President Xi, even before meeting Mr Modi, told his Pakistani counterpart Mamnoon Hussain that his government would persist with criteria-based approach for the NSG membership.

India, according to a foreign diplomatic source, was not on the agenda of the plenary meeting, but Japan called for consideration of its application.

Pakistan’s case was, meanwhile, not taken up by the group on Thursday.

Pakistan had intensified lobbying for its candidature after it formally launched its application last month. A delegation led by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry remained in Seoul during the NSG plenary meeting for continuing that effort.

The source said the Pakistani delegation met representatives from 25 countries on the sidelines of the session.

Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had earlier said that several NSG members “want detailed discussions within NSG to first agree upon criteria for admission of non-NPT countries to the group with a view to preserving the non-proliferation norms”.

Pakistan, Mr Zakaria said, would continue to highlight its strong credentials and pursue NSG membership based on non-discriminatory and objective criteria.

Examine: India's membership of Nuclear Suppliers Group 'not merited', says NYT

He further said that Pakistani and Indian applications cannot be considered in isolation from the goal of maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

Zahir Kazmi, an official of the Strategic Plans Division, had a day earlier at a lecture at the Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS) said Pakistan expected NSG to fairly and simultaneously consider its application along with that of India.

Zamir Akram, Pakistan’s former envoy to the United Nations in Geneva, had at a roundtable at Strategic Vision Institute said Pakistan was opposed to “exclusive membership” for India and supported evolution of criteria that can be applied across the board.

Published in Dawn, June 24th, 2016

This is a win for justice, equality, and the rule of law. There was a big game of lies,blackmailing,and deception being played in the background. A duo of countries wanted to bulldoze the civilized world and overstep the international law by staging a gatecrash for India's entry into the NSG. Indians kept portraying China as the only opposition to Indian request for NSG membership. The reality was that a dozen other countries were on the same page with China advocating that a criteria based approach must be followed for granting membership to non-NPT signatory applicants. As a result, Indian request was set aside and discussions on Thursday were mainly focused on the need for defining a criteria for dealing applications from such countries. Indians were smiling wide by showing their pale teeth that Pakistan's application didn't even come up for discussion on Thursday . They were unable or unwilling to understood that the members were just trying to trying to follow a procedural approach to deal with two applications from non-NPT signatory countries (i.e. Pakistan and India). They were rather resorting to create propaganda blitz aimed at blackmailing China. The real purpose of Indian lies and blackmail was to turn the show into a US-China tussle. It seems Indians are digging a grave for themselves.

 

[imran169]

Tell me buddy, how many of these wanted to support Pakistan

Hey buddy...Tell me did they support India because of India? No, Its because of USA...!

Because this was also one part of our plan .
China directly opposing India was the push India looks for .And Chinese did that ,even though they knows its consequences .Now every action by GoI will have an anti China taste in there .
And more active arms relation with SCS nations especially with Vietnam will happen.

Lol consequences...Don't over-estimate yourself...You and your conspiracy theories...Please don't quote me again...!

 

[TejasMk3]

India’s NSG membership and China’s containment strategy

• RAJESH RAJAGOPALAN

The Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) meeting in Seoul on Thursday (June 23) ended without any decision on India’s application for membership as a consequence of China’s refusal to accept India into the group. India’s chance of being admitted into the NSG were always slim because of China’s opposition. But that was not a reason for not trying. There were excellent reasons for making a high-profile push for NSG membership. Most of the criticisms about both the usefulness of NSG membership itself and about the need for such a high-stakes effort are misplaced. Though India did not get the membership, this will be policy failure only if India fails to respond to what is clearly yet another indicator of China’s determined effort at containment of India.

India does not need NSG membership in order to engage in nuclear commerce, of course. But the NSG makes the rules for such commerce and it is always possible that they can frame rules in future that will hurt India’s interests. There are already questions about some of the rule changes that NSG introduced in 2011 with regard to enrichment and reprocessing technologies, after India got a special waiver from NSG. India can protect itself best only if it is inside the tent. Additionally, India’s road to a partnership in global governance is ill-served if there are governance groups that explicitly leave India out.

Those arguing that India should not have engaged in such a high profile push are also mistaken. India’s choice was to either not apply at all or to make a determined push for membership. There was no middle path here. For at least three reasons, it was impossible for India to simply file an application and not make a serious effort to get in. First, the Indian application required convincing many friendly states who had legitimate concerns about NPT and the nonproliferation regime, concerns that were not motivated by any balance of power considerations (unlike China’s opposition). These countries are wrong to equate support for nonproliferation with just signature on a treaty rather support for the principles of nonproliferation as demonstrated in actual behaviour. But this still required an argument to be made and making this argument to a number of international partners meant that this could no longer be a low-profile effort.

The second reason is even more important. India depended on the US as well as, apparently, a number of other well-wishers to press India’s case with other NSG members and smoothen the way for the application. New Delhi could not very well have asked its friends to press India’s case even as it stood back from the fray. They needed to know that India was doing its bit, even if they had to do much more simply because of their status as members. Moreover, it would have made the task of these well-wishers much more difficult if India itself appeared unmotivated.

The third reason is probably the most important: strategy. Raising the stakes was necessary to concentrate the minds of all the members. Raising the stakes demonstrated to those still uncertain that India was serious about the application and that opposition might come with costs to the broader relationships. Simply put, raising the stakes reduced the opposition.

A policy post-mortem is of course necessary, but we should beware of false tracks that divert such analysis. For example, it would be a mistake to see India’s application as being the victim of a US-China power struggle. The US was involved, undoubtedly, in promoting the Indian case for membership. But the fact that Prime Minister Modi directly raised the issue with President Xi should have made clear to Beijing that it was directly about India and that India would not take its opposition lightly.

A related argument is that China opposition was a response to India’s increasing closeness to US. This is simply wrong. China’s strategy has been consistent since the 1960s and its sole objective was the containment of India. China containment strategy shows little correlation with the state of US-India relations. China transferred nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan in the 1980s, not exactly a period of close US-India ties. It transferred missiles to Pakistan in the 1990s at a time when India had lost its Soviet ally and its relations with the US were still tense. India’s increasing closeness to the US is the result of New Delhi’s reluctant recognition of China’s containment strategy against India, not its cause.

India’s policy will be a failure, however, if New Delhi fails to respond to what is yet another blatant example of China’s containment strategy. India can respond in a number of ways. Because this was primarily a balance of power move, India’s response should also be on that particular chessboard. India can imitate what China is doing with Pakistan: build up the military capabilities of others on China’s periphery who share India’s worry about China. They may be too weak to match China, but enhancing their capabilities is one way of forcing China to divert its energies and make it understand the costs of strategic blowback. This can take the form of military assistance as well as training and other forms of cooperation. India should also ask its existing partners to expand the Malabar naval exercise to include all other countries in the Asia-Pacific that are worried about China. Finally, India should restart the Quadrilateral Strategic Dialogue that was suspended because of China’s objections (and Australian reticence) but seek, once again, to include others such as Vietnam, Philippines and even Indonesia. There are other, more immediate ways of showing displeasure too, such as curtailing levels of engagement with China, or suspending its own strategic dialogue with Beijing.

China had a choice. It should have been an easy one because India’s entry into NSG did not hurt Beijing in any way and opposition threatened to do fairly serious damage to its ties with India. China did not even blink — now, neither should India.

The author is Professor of International Politics at Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.


What I'm worried is that Indian media instead of focusing on who opposed us, who supported etc i.e analyzing and giving the public what the geo political scenario is, they have started indulging in stupid politics like saying and promoting congi and aaptard lines like "modi fail", "all trips useless" etc. But then perhaps this is asking for too much from mainstream media.

 

[SrNair]

Thank u Turkey and China........Guys!!! Turkey is also on board with China on this.....As a Pakistani, it is so great to see that our two iron brothers are pursuing merit and defending Pakistan's case and denying India's special privilege in NSG entry.....I m lovin it.....Oh to add more salt.......Thank you Mr. Putin.....Russia is so great, so loving and so nice. I must respect Russia's stance on this.

As for Indians........Pakistan is reminding you that stopping our f16s was a very poor idea/mistake.....who ever done it in modi's team....Some men do, whole nation sows and cry....

This is how Indians will be tamed. They ride too much high. Sooner or later, they will behave.....

Indians are advised to enjoy Logistics agreement with US and join SCS.....It'll do wonders for them....

A sincere advice from your friendly neighbor Pakistan....

Regards
your well wisher
PakLovesTurkiye

Now wake up from the dream .

This is just a beginning .
Tamed ???Really?

We are just warming up .MTCR is already done .NSG and UNSC will too fall.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Opposing India at every possible platform will only push India further into the American camp. Whether India gets into NSG or not, its a win win situation for America.

It might be that they want that , us going closer to the Americans, while they side up the with Russians. It could be a long game being played by china.

 

[Manidabest]

ops not only China but other countries too oppose indian entry ... it seems modi mania didnt work with them awwwww....

 

[SrNair]

Hey buddy...Tell me did they support India because of India? No, Its because of USA...!



Lol consequences...Don't over-estimate yourself...You and your conspiracy theories...Please don't quote me again...!

Conspiracy theories ?
Brahmos is already finalised with Vietnam .God knows about the further decisions of our centre.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Now wake up from the dream .

This is just a beginning .
Tamed ???Really?

We are just warming up .MTCR is already done .NSG and UNSC will too fall.

I wish u gud luck......Just don't forget us..........Pakistan India bhai bhai.......Jahan jaienge saath saath jaienge.....Saath jieynge aur saath marenge......

 

[topgun047]

When I joined this forum I was a supporter of allying with China over the US.

But China and US have shown by their actions that who is India's friend and who is not.

I would rather see India team up with US (+NA),EU,U.K,Japan,Soko and Asean vs China,Russia than multi alignment crap our policymakers have been peddling for last 70 years that got us nowhere.

That is the direction I forsee India taking.

 

[AndrewJin]

African countries will make a bid for NSG in the next bid

And they are more likely to get a seat.

 

[faithfulguy]

lol
Good luck with the 2012 supa powa.
Dead president is smiling at Modi.

It's time for India to make another supa Powa movie after this setback. To make Indians feel better.

 

[Brickwall]

I think it is best result, this will clear doubts from many people in the country who thinks china can be our ally.

Now only thing , we need to give back china where its hurts, especially in SCS and Taiwan

 

[SrNair]

India's NSG seat and UNSC seat are still available...

IF they come to the table for an honest negotiation.

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Let's be frank, China and India are NOT friends. We all know this.

Yet whenever India needs something (NSG/UNSC), they suddenly pretend that they are our friends, and ask for "free favours", like in the case of the NSG.

Then at the same time, they went behind China and did their best to try and guilt/isolate China into supporting their NSG bid, by making deals with every other country besides China. Hoping that foreign pressure would force China to succumb. Sorry, that never works. Only one veto is ever needed, that's how veto power works.

But they never did the thing which could actually give them what they want. Which is to come to the negotiating table and offer us something in return.

For example, India agreed to sign the CISMOA/LSA in return for America getting them the NSG seat (which they failed to deliver). India has never fought a war with America... yet they paid SO much for America's support in the NSG (the biggest payment possible). Did India really expect China to offer the same support for free, considering that we are NOT friends?

You want something, you offer something in return. That's how the world works.

Now let India come and negotiate. We are businessmen after all.

And what do have in your hands to offer us ?
Please dont tell us about some cheap consumer goods .
Because we are looking for top notch technology

Our dealings with US is just solely based on the quest for world most advanced technology .
What is your stand when it comes to the most advanced tech ?
Even Russians are even better than Chinese .

And about negotiations
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-its-failed-NSG-bid/articleshow/52903910.cms

This is the official response of MEA .

Now you can assume the 'nature' of negotiations between India and China in future

 

[SrNair]

I wish u gud luck......Just don't forget us..........Pakistan India bhai bhai.......Jahan jaienge saath saath jaienge.....Saath jieynge aur saath marenge......

You cant forget a diplomatic nuisance .

Pakistan is not even concern in here .

 

[faithfulguy]

Indu Niclear Orgasmisation is founded! Permanent member of the prestigious standing committee is, 2012 Supuo Pova. And all other parties are vetoed by the Powans

Might as well. Super power genre movies around India will gain popularity with each setback.