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[[Bregs]]

Our Indian friends need to understand a few basic things, the least of which is to abide by rules governing the admission and membership of NSG

Think out of the box, China tells India after failed NSG bid

June 24, 2016 15:47

Defending its opposition to entry of non-NPT countries like India into NSG, China today said it was guided by the rules of the 48-nation grouping which were not directed against any specific country.

It also advocated an "out of the box" thinking to arrive at a consensus over the issue of entry of non-NPT countries into the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

"China wants two things; we must abide by the rules of NSG because these kind of rules are not directed against any specific country. We must strive for consensus by thinking out of the box," Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying said at a briefing.

Hua claimed that during the NSG's plenary session in Seoul, China worked together with a couple of other countries to press ahead with the entry of non-NPT states through "creative means".

"This is also major progress achieved at the plenary session. China has been working positively and constructively to that end," she said.

has china signed NPT before joining NSG ? so the rules alone doesn't seems to be the case. there cant be septate set of rules for china and india for same organization

 

[Srinivas]

All NPT non-weapons states must accept these full-scope safeguards. In the five weapons states plus the non-NPT states (India, Pakistan and Israel), facility-specific safeguards apply. IAEA inspectors regularly visit these facilities to verify completeness and accuracy of records.

The terms of the NPT cannot be enforced by the IAEA itself, nor can nations be forced to sign the treaty. In reality, as shown in Iraq and North Korea, safeguards can be backed up by diplomatic, political and economic measures.
how can these two things go side by side please someone explain it.........
@GURU DUTT @Srinivas

How did NSG waiver came only to India?

 

[ZAC1]

if china is there india is not going to be in NSG,ab tu Russia bi dokha kar gya

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Dawn is the most credible media outlet in South Asia......news regarding Russia's opposition is true. It is hard for Indians, i know but it is true.....Dawn is the most neutral source when it comes to India and if they are saying Russia was also involved in this.....then it is highly likely it is correct.....

The way Indians swarm the comment section of Dawn is the proof there's a lot of fan following of Dawn in India too.

 

[calmDown@all]

Jo dena tha De diya now feel it ! hahahahahha

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

on the web Indians were taunting and trolling saying China is alone in this opposition
but I was not expecting Russia.

The Indian members kept claiming China was opposing India "alone" as if that was a bad thing?

They think we are like India, that we only care about the opinions/approval of foreigners.

But we are the opposite. We only work for our national interests, the opinions of foreigners are irrelevant to our policies.

 

[calmDown@all]

How did NSG waiver came only to India?

sir.....still above my level...
can you explain?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Thank U very much, guyz.......... Our two most trusted, reliable and loyal friends......

@Beast @rott @HAKIKAT @KediKesenFare @Sinan

 

[cirr]

So what's new? China is in the habit of pissing off a lot of countries by its arrogance - Philippines, Malaysia, India, Vietnam, Japan, Indonesia, Brunei South Korea, Taiwan etc. It has even junked UN treaties like the UNCLOS and encouraged terrorists like Azhar and their terror organizations like the JeM and the LeT by flatly refusing to agree on putting sanctions against them in spite of the overwhelming agreement at the UN. This at the behest of their deeper than ocean friends! Nuff said.

China clearly is working at a tangent and cares two hoots to the principles and code of international diplomacy and the rule of law.

lolo...this list is simply hilarious.

Yes, Vietnam might have a thing or two against China, but it is still a lot closer to China than India. Check out how many Vietnamese working and living in China first.

As for South Korea, ask the 2 million plus South Koreans who have chosen to permanently settle in China over the last decade or 2.

Taiwan? Taiwan is a part of China. Millions of Taiwanese owns flats and houses in Mainland China.

Maylasia? Are you kidding?

Brunei? One of China's closest buddy in ASEAN.

Even the Phillipines are closer to China than India.

Japan? You are advised to watch Japanese soup operas to get a handle on how Indians are held in the eyes of the Japanese. Ditto South Korean TV dramas in which India is portraited as hell and those who are sent to work in hell are considered being handed death sentence, while working in China is highly sought after. As a matter of fact, most of SK would not return once they have tasted the good life in China.

So...don't get funny.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Moving forward, as the report clearly mentioned that India didnt abide by the conditions of 2008 wavier, didnt seperate its civil and military nuclear installations and basically increased its nuke arsenal, the wavier itself should now be undone.

 

[dray]

no knee jerk reactions needed from india, this was expected that in this session china wont budge. so deal might be made by next session due in winters some time

No, not knee jerk reactions, but we can certainly put a few Chini investments on hold for process related considerations? We should also strictly impose the BIS standards, as someone already suggested, most Chini products will fail in this. They should know every decision has a cost attached to it.

let me guess what are there exports to india ... chocolettes, expensive watches and of course stage trainer for IAF ... in a way good for indias health wealth and most importantlly HAL

Gold too...in fact that's the primary import I think.

 

[neem456]

And what is pakistan celebrating for ? Wasn't them also bidding for the membership of NSG ?
Fact that their application was rejected even for discussion while india's was discusssed rigorously for 2 days and garner 47 out of 48 votes, calls for national mourning day for pakistan.

 

[[Bregs]]

No, not knee jerk reactions, but we can certainly put a few Chini investments on hold for process related considerations? We should also strictly impose the BIS standards, as someone already suggested, most Chini products will fail in this. They should know every decision has a cost attached to it.



Gold too...in fact that's the primary import I think.

BIS standards for some of there products is must now specially toys and stationery goods

 

[dray]

The scheduled financial dialogue in July between India and China should also be cancelled.

No, we should have it to inform them that they now need to climb a higher wall to get into the Indian market.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

The Indian members kept claiming China was opposing India "alone" as if that was a bad thing?

They think we are like India, that we only care about the opinions/approval of foreigners.

But we are the opposite. We only work for our national interests, the opinions of foreigners are irrelevant to our policies.

China is very serious in having good relations with India. Just look how China helped and wanted India to become member of SCO.......On the other side, Indians are still spewing venom against China i.e chanting boycotting of Chinese goods etc....

When China refuses to support India's bid in NSG, the plan of Indians, in my view, was to engage all other countries except China who were opposing India's bid and make them support India so that they can make China feel guilty and villain that she is single out among all 48 nations and the only one opposing India's bid....psychological warfare, you know.......to tell the world that look how China is isolated and evil and hurting India's interests......Pakistan's application to NSG and support of Turkey, NewZealand, Austria, Brazil, Switzerland has killed India's plan to make villain out of China......
I thank u for supporting our case on merit.......We'll never forget this.......