India Accepts Pakistan Air Force is a Leading Force

[naveenp]

2025 was the target before China promised 50 additional JF-17's in quick time. As I said in 10 years, which implies year 2021-22.....even if we have 200 by then they fall in the category of hundreds. Are we arguing just for the sake of argument?

All our R&D is highly classified.....who knew of JF-17's before it was unveiled? Who knew of Babur/Ra'ad CM/ALCM? Who knew we could detonate Nuclear devices in 1998 when we did? Nothing is certain until we make an official statement. Anyway have a read of this:

Burraq

man are you real, upto now i knw in many countries having secret development of weapons but you are stating classified R&D.

who knew of JF-17's before it was unveiled?

it was developed china. it wasnt secret project of pakistan

 

[Jungibaaz]

man are you real, upto now i knw in many countries having secret development of weapons but you are stating classified R&D.

who knew of JF-17's before it was unveiled?

it was developed china. it wasnt secret project of pakistan

Only Chinese and Pakistanis knew, we made Ra'ad, Babur, JF-17, NASR appear out of nowhere.
It's just the way we keep it in secrecy till completion.

 

[naveenp]

Only Chinese and Pakistanis knew, we made Ra'ad, Babur, JF-17, NASR appear out of nowhere.
It's just the way we keep it in secrecy till completion.

How can u claim it was classified. JF-17 known as FC-1 way before inducting in PAF.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

All the damage done to Pakistan army in battle of longewala was by indian air force help , If PAF was also there the scene was going to be different .

no but PAF was active in Chawinda, active @ Kalaikunda, quite active (mild understatement) at Pattankot as well as numerous other places where they did good damage to the enemy.

in some cases enemy didnt even have time to get air-borne and the ground crew and pilots had to dive and take cover in bunkers hiding under bed-sheets (true story)

 

[Mav3rick]

Thats a huge misconception in people in this forum.. Manned aircraft will always spearhead attacks and will be involved in A2A combat in foreseeable future ( at least 2030-35 ).. Drones/UCAVs are for peacetime .. Even a trainer aircraft like K-8 or, Hawk will score huge kills against the UCAVs...

Ok....imagine 15 STEALTH UCAV's, half the size of Reaper with highly modernized radars, ECM, Jammers, BVR capability with FNF A2A Missiles etc., speeds in excess of MACH 3-4+ against any other Jet (Non Stealth). Keep in mind that MQ-9 Reaper first flew in 2001, imagine the possibilities 10 years later. Also:

"In 2008 the New York Air National Guard 174th Fighter Wing began the transition from F-16 piloted planes to MQ-9 Reapers, becoming the first fighter squadron conversion to an all-UCAV attack squadron.[5][6][7] As of March 2011, the U.S. Air Force was training more pilots for advanced unmanned aerial vehicles than for any other single weapons system

Then U.S. Air Force (USAF) Chief of Staff General T. Michael Moseley said, "We've moved from using UAVs primarily in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance roles before Operation Iraqi Freedom, to a true hunter-killer role with the Reaper"."

- Wikipedia

 

[naveenp]

Ok....imagine 15 STEALTH UCAV's, half the size of Reaper with highly modernized radars, ECM, Jammers, BVR capability with FNF A2A Missiles etc., speeds in excess of MACH 3-4+ against any other Jet (Non Stealth). Keep in mind that MQ-9 Reaper first flew in 2001, imagine the possibilities 10 years later. Also:

"In 2008 the New York Air National Guard 174th Fighter Wing began the transition from F-16 piloted planes to MQ-9 Reapers, becoming the first fighter squadron conversion to an all-UCAV attack squadron.[5][6][7] As of March 2011, the U.S. Air Force was training more pilots for advanced unmanned aerial vehicles than for any other single weapons system

Then U.S. Air Force (USAF) Chief of Staff General T. Michael Moseley said, "We've moved from using UAVs primarily in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance roles before Operation Iraqi Freedom, to a true hunter-killer role with the Reaper"."

- Wikipedia

training pilots for unmanned aerial vehicals??? US has tested B-2 stealth in 1987, and other counties still trying to achieve stealth technology, sorry to say what ever you have mentioned it was subjected to US.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

training pilots for unmanned aerial vehicals??? US has tested B-2 stealth in 1987, and other counties still trying to achieve stealth technology, sorry to say what ever you have mentioned it was subjected to US.

Well people had it and chose agility over stealth in case of Europe and Manuverability in the Soviet.

 

[Dharmachakra]

You gotta be kidding me......... This thread still on?

 

[naveenp]

You gotta be kidding me......... This thread still on?

yup it was

 

[gslv mk3]

By Raja G Mujtaba

F-6 Rebuild Factory that rebuilt the Chinese MIG 19s re-designated by PAF as F-6. When all other sources had dried and Pakistan did not have the finances to go for highly expensive Mirage aircraft F-6 became the mainstay of PAF. It was modernized with latest avionics, ejection seats, armament, breaking system and taxing capability that added much more lethal power to an old vintage technology.

Going blah blah over an upgraded second generation fighter jet (note this)

a brand new design was developed with active participation of China the end product was JF 17 that exceeded all the performance parameter envelop by significant margins. This aircraft was designed, built, tested and inducted in the PAF in a record time.

Development was done by China....What was developed in Pakistan except for Raad and some soft ware?

JF 17 is a close match to F 16 with a huge price difference. It has been displayed at International Air Shows of China and Farnborough in the UK where it was admired by all. It soon became the most fancied aircraft of the developing world for its performance and low price tags and complete absence of any strings. China has also emerged as a major buyer with 300 copies of JF 17 and about the same number would be acquired by PAF.

It was developed by China and manufactured by PAC the same way as boeing builds US designed airliners in China....
15 million price tag...Says a lot about quality It is not even a match for F 16

Its not just the Chinese origin induction but PAF has also received latest F 16s that has a total strength of 60 aircraft half of which are block 52, the latest upgrade. The F-16 As already on the inventory of PAF are also undergoing major upgrade and soon will become equivalent to Block 52 version, in capabilities.

India didnt even go for block 60 for MMRCA...a aircraft that was first flown 30 years ago..

Not stopping here, as reported by India Today in its latest issue, “There’s a deeper threat at play than just fighter numbers. Consider these newly inducted force multipliers that all but kill the Indian air advantage. Pakistan is inducting four Swedish Saab Erieye and four Chinese Y-8 airborne early warning aircraft, while India, currently, has three. India no longer has the mid-air refueller advantage. Pakistan is inducting four identical IL-78M aircraft.”

He forgot IL 78 midas India has?Phalcon is a 360 degre AWACS aircraft while what PAF has is AEW&CS aircraft.DRDO AEW&CS is also coming

Whereas Pakistan is fast phasing out its old vintage, India is still stuck with old Russian equipment that is fast losing its edge over Pakistan. India Today states, “Finally, with an ageing Soviet fleet of aircraft (MIGs)that are troublesome and facing retirement, the Air Force looks at an even greater dip in the numbers advantage. The message to the Defence Ministry and the government is simple. Cut your losses and plan hard for the future. If you don’t, the Indian Air Force will lose the one thing you’ve always counted on: its combat edge.”

Mirage 2000 being upgraded..
Mig 29 getting upgraded
mig 21 getting upgraded to BISON
more Su 30 MKI...
this aint enough

PAF has not stopped here. According to official sources, PAF is in the process of acquiring J10 the latest machine from China. The exact number or its assembly or production in Pakistan has not yet been finalized. This aircraft would surpass most of the advance jet fighters and compete with any aircraft in its class.

Most advanced aircraft?Lets see.........

Now most PAF aircraft are nuclear capable and all can be refueled in mid-air. This is a punch that’s hard to match in any given theatre. What PAF lacked in deep penetration aircraft has more than made up with mid air refueling and latest F-16 Block 52 aircraft, which has a long range.

Only F16 and JF 17

 

[The SC]

SU-30 MkI is the Indian pride, Pakistan can easily deal with that threat by air to air anti radiation long range supersonic missiles, Indians have just to activate their MKI's radars and it is done, Boom right on the nose, so with a bloody nose there not much of a fight left.
The rest of the story is easy to imagine.

 

[karan21]

Lol Pakistanis here can enjoy a few years of Pakistani air dominance.

How about comparing Indian navy with Pn?? PN doesnt even compare with Indian coast guard leave alone Indian navy. The reason is that today Indian navy is 90% indegeneous. Except for engines everything is made or designed in India or liscence produced. Almost all ships are now made and designed in India. Thats the reason why India is gonna add 90 ships in nxt 10 yrs.

Yes we have failed to achieve Indian navy's success with Air force. India cant add new planes in hug numbers which are foreign. testing takes decades. While Pakistan is always ready to induce anything chinese.

The day India achieve same success with airforce as the navy Pakistan will have a run for money.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Its mainly due to the ageing fleet, which will be replaced soon...so IAF will always have that edge over PAF...at the moment PAF looks almost equally good as IAF. Moreover there are some tactics by which you have to compell the Govt. to buy more goodies for your force..the Indian writer is just doing that.

 

[Alphacharlie]

A useless Thread 26 Pages wasted.

If PAF was that Almighty then in Kargil they should have shot down some IAF Mig 29s or Mirages.
Remeber seeing PA stingers FIM92s going in sky all decfletced by flares.

If PAF is has recoevered its set Backs then Why dont they Project their Strength the way in 1997 IAF Mig 25 did over Pakistan airspace.

I See this article as Hyperbola Bullshit filled with Sunny Jims comparing their Egos then Facts....

 

[Mav3rick]

A useless Thread 26 Pages wasted.

If PAF was that Almighty then in Kargil they should have shot down some IAF Mig 29s or Mirages.
Remeber seeing PA stingers FIM92s going in sky all decfletced by flares.

If PAF is has recoevered its set Backs then Why dont they Project their Strength the way in 1997 IAF Mig 25 did over Pakistan airspace.

I See this article as Hyperbola Bullshit filled with Sunny Jims comparing their Egos then Facts....

What a load of crap, PAF would have shot down Mig-29's, Mirages and a whole lot more had Pakistan been engaged in a war. Kargil was militarily a victory for Pakistan as Indian Army in 6-8:1 and 10 squadrons of frontline Indian fighters/bombers could not reclaim most of the positions and could only do so when Pakistan pulled some 4k-5k fighters back!

No wonder, India could only amass 700,000 - 800,000 troops at the border in '02, spend billions of rupees and then unilaterally scale down without the hint of crossing LoC despite tall claims by Indian! Even the surgical strike dream evaporated soon after that!