In solidarity with the Hindu/Indian posters here on Defence.PK

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

See!

Even the mere mention of his name made you all boangi eyed!

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

See!

Even the mere mention of his name made you all boangi eyed!

Arnab is from North East(Assam)

 

[ChennaiDude]

yeah , you like calling an social organization like RSS , sanghis and what not ,so you look more on par with pakistani than indians

Social organizations like RSS- LOL- more like anti social is the correct term.

 

[IMARV]

Many middle-class and well-off Indians use expressions like "...Bhangee jaisi shakal" in a jovial manner. This is the level to which an entire group of human beings are being dehumanized in the casteist laboratory of India.

Ohh boy, the sermons are out. The same guy who few days back was ready to sell Indian ugly rubbish kali kalooti women to chinese and put them on brothels in lieu of few flush toilets?

Only if nationality is defined by the place of birth. Not sure why a whole dedicated thread is allowed for posters like him as if such views must be protected and cultivated on the forum just because he is anti Modi. @Joe Shearer @AgNoStiC MuSliM @ChennaiDude

 

[ChennaiDude]

Ohh boy, the sermons are out. The same guy who few days back was ready to sell Indian ugly rubbish kali kalooti women to chinese and put them on brothels in lieu of few flush toilets?

Only if nationality is defined by the place of birth. Not sure why a whole dedicated thread is allowed for posters like him as if such views must be protected and cultivated on the forum just because he is anti Modi. @Joe Shearer @AgNoStiC MuSliM @ChennaiDude

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Hmmm- I always had my doubts- Thanks for the Tag.

 

[Prince Kassad]

This thread still running,

Ohh boy, the sermons are out. The same guy who few days back was ready to sell Indian ugly rubbish kali kalooti women to chinese and put them on brothels in lieu of few flush toilets?

Only if nationality is defined by the place of birth. Not sure why a whole dedicated thread is allowed for posters like him as if such views must be protected and cultivated on the forum just because he is anti Modi. @Joe Shearer @AgNoStiC MuSliM @ChennaiDude

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Caught with lungi down. Remember Ashoka a couple of years back, its him only

 

[IMARV]

Hmmm- I always had my doubts- Thanks for the Tag.

Quite evident he doesn't just hate Modi/RSS but India. It doesn't make a difference if he is Indian or not.

 

[ChennaiDude]

This thread still running,


Caught with lungi down. Remember Ashoka a couple of years back, its him only

@Ashoka The Great -- You mean him?

 

[Prince Kassad]

@Ashoka The Great -- You mean him?

Just ashoka or ashok, he and the faithful guy were really active. Not sure exactly

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ohh boy, the sermons are out. The same guy who few days back was ready to sell Indian ugly rubbish kali kalooti women to chinese and put them on brothels in lieu of few flush toilets?

Only if nationality is defined by the place of birth. Not sure why a whole dedicated thread is allowed for posters like him as if such views must be protected and cultivated on the forum just because he is anti Modi. @Joe Shearer @AgNoStiC MuSliM @ChennaiDude

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The post you provided a screenshot of is offensive.

If such posts are reported, they'll get deleted and warnings issued upon moderator review (especially now that the moderators have cleared the backlog). Eventually, multiple posts like these get users banned --- which is my point. It doesn't matter what someone's true origin is, focus on the posts and arguments made, not the person.

And the OP made valid points, that is why the post and thread were allowed and that is why it remains.

The OP has explained his views and background, whether you believe it or not is up to you. You can, politely, ask questions from a particular user and they can choose to respond (or not) in the members club, but beyond that 'end of discussion'.

 

[Dalit]

As some of you would know me by now. I'm as anti-Hindutva as it gets. I am strongly opposed to Narendra Modi, BJP, RSS, and all their collective organizations. Not only at an ideological level, but also in many practical matters like who I prefer socializing with in real life. Although many of my friends and contacts in India are what would clearly fall under the category of "Sanghi," it is something I didn't choose about them. You can't really choose all your friends in the real world according to their ideology. Anyone who does that (my salutes to them), but I can't be as mahaan as such individuals.

I am as leftist liberal person as possible in the mould of say, Mani Shankar Aiyar, Navjot Singh Sidhu, or Arundhati Roy, etc. But, that does not mean I endorse everything they say or do, and they would endorse everything of mine. I have also been affiliated with Congress party of India for a very long time, but only to a certain faction within the party which is directly connected to Sonia Gandhi ji and Rahul Gandhi himself. Again, they will not endorse any of my statements or positions (why should they, anyone who thinks that they should, is going nuts!) My views are absolutely my own and not really representative of the party.

So, what are my actual positions, and far left do I lean? This is easy to answer. I am opposed to all the coercive measures being taken against Muslims in India, including CAB/NRC etc. I had contributed my own money for Shaheen Bagh protests (although I am not in India) as I think it was a very just cause. I also opposed the scrapping of Article 370 by Modi government in Kashmir. It was a violation of the rights of Kashmiris, which is protected as per UN Charter of 1948. This unilateral move by Modi has destabilized the entire region greatly.

I support the right of plebiscite for the Kashmiris, only because I have studied this problem very deeply (also, during my MA degree in international relations long ago). I think their demands are valid, and should be protected as per Indian Constitution as well as international law agreements. For the Indian posters here, I absolutely do not support Pakistan-based militants in Kashmir Valley. But I am also a realist who like to see other persons' point of view. I believe there is a war going on in Kashmir, and in wars, it is stupid to think that only your country and government is telling the truth, and the other side isn't. Someone here from Pakistan mentioned to me about the good deeds of Hafiz Saeed in that country,and I was willing to give it open thoughts. That doesn't mean I endorse Hafiz Saeed.

The point I am trying to make is very simple: just one single person (Hindu or Muslim) can be incredibly complex if they have a past academic history, or experiences living and working in many countries. I have been fortunate enough to travel/work/and live in more than 60 countries in my life including US/UK/many European countries/CIS countries/Africa/ME/SE Asia (that's a real number, and I don't recall the exact number of countries I have been to, without having to look up.) I believe travel broadens your mind a lot. That could be why some of my views sound as how you all guys like to put it, "different." But let me assure you, I am 100% Indian, and a Hindu at that (although I don't follow the religion, and completely non-practicing). I don't even believe in God although I have studied all major religions including Islam and Christianity.

Sorry about this long essay (I would myself hate to read my own speech so much). But I am getting sick and tired of all the "troll" accusations coming at me. It's derailing every single thread where I liek to participate. Today itself I got trolled by one jackass who seems to be a Pakistani based in USA. It was very mean-spirited of him to waste another person's time in such a crude manner. Although I have ignored him now, it has left a bad taste in my mouth related to this forum. I came to participate in discussions, and maybe I will do in future. But I am not going to suffer a single troll like that one again.

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Despite such a long rant about me, the intention of this essay is concerning others. It is more a form of communication to all the moderators and active users from both the countries. You need to realize one very important thing: not all Hindu posters from India think alike. Your website is becoming an echo chamber where only a certain partisan view of Indian Hindus is being reported. That, all Hindus are Sanghis, and hate Muslims, and want to genocide them. That is simply not correct. Hindus aren't this giant monolith in India who all think exactly alike. Some of us hate Narendra Modi more than Kashmiris do.


If you all want to create an echo chamber where all Hindu Indians supposedly support Narendra Modi, be my guest. I will want nothing to do with that. Another Indian Muslim user just asked me whether I am connected with Rishi, a troll of BJP IT cell, here is my answer. "Yes, I know him personally. I have met him once or twice." But that don't mean squat.

Having said this, I have met some really cool posters here, from both countries, who can understand the fact that Indian Hindu posters can have diverse opinions. And they respectfully state their positions, and we have some nice discussions.

So, basically another part of my complaint is against some of the Pakistani posters here who generalize all Indian Hindus as Sanghis, or radical Hindutvadis. Well, no one is stopping you from thinking that as it is really convenient, and we all love convenience in our lives, don't we? Rather than be confronted by something which shocks our world view (many Indians have worse notions about Pakistanis, so I am willing to give you a pass).

But, then it really reflects ignorance on your part, especially if you are unwilling to change your views. You know what happens with stuck cement? If you have not met amazing persons from India like me (I'm not the only one I am absolutely sure, there are many), it's your loss. No one from India,, Hindu or otherwise, owes you any explanation. Just like none of you owe any explanations to Hindutvadi trolls of India. It is up to each individual whether or not they want to learn new views of the other side with an open mind. No one will/can force you to do it.

I will just keep this post handy just in case someone in future blabbers about my "false flag" status, whether I am "trolling", or whatever. I don't owe anyone any explanation.Nor does any Hindu Indian poster here. Everyone can have their own independent views. Not only in this forum but in real life as well. Get used to it if not already.

The only question is: are you willing to accept and embrace the diversity of opinions in your personal life? I hope you do.

@waz @xeuss @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Not all Indians are RSS members, but all RSS members are Indians.

Indians chose an avid RSS follower as their leader and that says something. Indians overwhelmingly support military occupation i.e. brute force in Kashmir even when we know that this is not a solution. You cannot expect the other side to reason with such a mindset.

Pakistan based militants in Kashmir is only true to a certain extent. It is a n established fact that Kashmiris themselves are sick and tired of military occupation. A local Kashmiri struggle against Indian imprisonment shouldn't be confused with Pakistan based militancy.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not all Indians are RSS members, but all RSS members are Indians.

What about the ones in the US or Europe, Australia etc?

From what I understand, India does not allow dual citizenship, so are they still 'Indian'?

 

[Dalit]

not all proteins are enzymes but all enzymes are proteins, hahhaha

You are not even funny. What does enzymes have in relevance with RSS thuggery? I think you lack some brain cells.

What about the ones in the US or Europe, Australia etc?

From what I understand, India does not allow dual citizenship, so are they still 'Indian'?

Just because an RSS Indian is residing in other parts of the world and isn't allowed to hold Indian nationality doesn't mean that his heart and mind are Hindustani. RSS is an Indian ideology. Indians have a patent on this ideology.

 

[IMARV]

The post you provided a screenshot of is offensive.

If such posts are reported, they'll get deleted and warnings issued upon moderator review (especially now that the moderators have cleared the backlog). Eventually, multiple posts like these get users banned --- which is my point. It doesn't matter what someone's true origin is, focus on the posts and arguments made, not the person.

And the OP made valid points, that is why the post and thread were allowed and that is why it remains.

The OP has explained his views and background, whether you believe it or not is up to you. You can, politely, ask questions from a particular user and they can choose to respond (or not) in the members club, but beyond that 'end of discussion'.

AM, off course he has tried to explain but not what he is but how he want to be known as. Hypocrisy and hatred is quite evident and based on his submissions made on this very forum, if a good section of Indians doubt his nationality and reject his opinions as of an Indian, they are not very far off.

Indian society is polarized these days, a degree or two higher than it use to be and we have ample of India loving Indians who criticizes GOI and BJP policies, if not on this forum then in real world. However we need to be cautious in allowing such vicious posters to fill that void on this forum (though at first he will find a lot of audience in pakistani members).

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

then be it mate
anti social is far better than the social groups like ISIS , Jem, Let ,hizbul

Daesh are your guys.

Others are not similar in the slightest. We are proud of our Kashmiri mijahideen groups.