IN PAKISTAN, WHO IS KILLING WHOM

[Solomon2]

Would'nt you agree @Solomon2 ? People like Pamela Geller are just like Streicher?

No, I really can't put P. Geller in the same category. Murder-mongering Islamofascists are real threats to the nation unlike the Jews of Europe. Peaceful Muslims are not being rounded up and shot or gassed by the millions by American armies, like Streicher encouraged before and while the Nazis did such to the Jews.. Nor does P.G. have anything like the political connections and popular influence Streicher did.

Liberal democracy is not a death pact. The U.S. has made compromises to its freedoms before to gain security: throwing out the British Loyalists, suspending habeus corpus, drafting citizens into armies, and internment camps for Japanese come to mind. (Perhaps the last was unnecessary - no Japanese had been known to commit terrorism, the justification was an unsubstantiated fear of espionage. These instances were all temporary and republican norms were resumed after the conflicts. In 1990 or so the U.S. acknowledged that the internment of the Japanese was wrong and token payments made to the internees as acknowledgement of such.)

 

[SQ8]

No, I really can't put P. Geller in the same category. Murder-mongering Islamofascists are real threats to the nation unlike the Jews of Europe. Peaceful Muslims are not being rounded up and shot or gassed by the millions by American armies, like Streicher encouraged before and while the Nazis did such to the Jews.. Nor does P.G. have anything like the political connections and popular influence Streicher did.

Liberal democracy is not a death pact. The U.S. has made compromises to its freedoms before to gain security: throwing out the British Loyalists, suspending habeus corpus, drafting citizens into armies, and internment camps for Japanese come to mind. (Perhaps the last was unnecessary - no Japanese had been known to commit terrorism, the justification was an unsubstantiated fear of espionage. These instances were all temporary and republican norms were resumed after the conflicts. In 1990 or so the U.S. acknowledged that the internment of the Japanese was wrong and token payments made to the internees as acknowledgement of such.)

So essentially, what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. All I see is bigotry in your post and only shows your own sanctimonious nature. Guess I better keep my family safe the day peaceful jews like you come for them in the name on internment.

 

[Solomon2]

So essentially, what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.

The same act can be morally right in one context and morally wrong in another.

For example, if I swing an axe to chop down a tree in my yard that's O.K. But if you swing your axe to kill your neighbor's lovable pussycat that's wrong. In both cases the act was to swing the axe but the cases are not morally equal.

All I see is bigotry in your post and only shows your own sanctimonious nature.

you can't sensibly and morally justify your opinions then sure I'm not going to think much of them. At the same time I do remember that I'm not in Pakistan or a Pakistani so I don't face the tremendous obstacles you or your family do when it comes to expressing opinions and acting on them.

Guess I better keep my family safe the day peaceful jews like you come for them in the name on internment.

I'm not looking forward to it. There have been Muslims in the U.S. for centuries. A dangerous mind-virus is sweeping through the world now, blinding most and enraging many. The treatment I recommend is, in effect, pro-Zionism. It is for you a bitter and scary medicine to contemplate, isn't it?

 

[SQ8]

The same act can be morally right in one context and morally wrong in another.

For example, if I swing an axe to chop down a tree in my yard that's O.K. But if you swing your axe to kill your neighbor's lovable pussycat that's wrong. In both cases the act was to swing the axe but the cases are not morally equal.

you can't sensibly and morally justify your opinions then sure I'm not going to think much of them. At the same time I do remember that I'm not in Pakistan or a Pakistani so I don't face the tremendous obstacles you or your family do when it comes to expressing opinions and acting on them.

I'm not looking forward to it. There have been Muslims in the U.S. for centuries. A dangerous mind-virus is sweeping through the world now, blinding most and enraging many. The treatment I recommend is, in effect, pro-Zionism. It is for you a bitter and scary medicine to contemplate, isn't it?

Again, like a lizard you are trying to dodge the question and going back to your usual zionist rants.
Considering I am in the US, you seem to recommend that either support zionism or die' makes you and your zionism no different from any facist ideology .. that difference is nil between you and a ISIS fellow.

 

[Solomon2]

Again, like a lizard you are trying to dodge the question and going back to your usual zionist rants.

You didn't ask a question. Far from writing about pro-Zionism at length - which could be characterized as a rant - I kept it quite short since I've explained many times that pro-Zionism means embracing the same set of individual values and laws that makes so much of the West a desirable destination for millions of Muslims, denial of which is at the root of violent fascist plague that's been growing in Pakistan for years.

Considering I am in the US, you seem to recommend that either support zionism or die' makes you and your zionism no different from any facist ideology .. that difference is nil between you and a ISIS fellow.

There you go again! Of course, Jews aren't going to be out there killing innocent Muslims for ideology or fun as ISIS does with non-ISIS Muslims and non-Muslims. The danger is that without embracing Zionism (which is a key stumbling-block in embracing Western values for many Muslims) you will adopt the same course ISIS has, either as an ally or a like-minded competitor.

 

[SQ8]

For all who need to understand the person Ive quoted. One only needs to look at his blog and the MASSIVE amount of hatred and bigotry thrown at Islam. Please do not be fooled by the supposed friendship flags.

You didn't ask a question. Far from writing about pro-Zionism at length - which could be characterized as a rant - I kept it quite short since I've explained many times that pro-Zionism means embracing the same set of individual values and laws that makes so much of the West a desirable destination for millions of Muslims, denial of which is at the root of violent fascist plague that's been growing in Pakistan for years.

There you go again! Of course, Jews aren't going to be out there killing innocent Muslims for ideology or fun as ISIS does with non-ISIS Muslims and non-Muslims. The danger is that without embracing Zionism (which is a key stumbling-block in embracing Western values for many Muslims) you will adopt the same course ISIS has, either as an ally or a like-minded competitor.

That is pure nonsense. Zionism had NOTHING to do with the west, please find me a single NON-zionist and non-jewish source that ratifies that somehow zionism is linked with the prosperity of the west. Anything else makes your posts complete nonsense to start with.

The second paragraph is also complete fanatical zionism and has nothing to do with grounded reality which you can provide even an IOTA of proof for.

 

[The Sandman]

For all who need to understand the person Ive quoted. One only needs to look at his blog and the MASSIVE amount of hatred and bigotry thrown at Islam. Please do not be fooled by the supposed friendship flags.

I'm seriously thinking of reporting that avatar of his

 

[SQ8]

I'm seriously thinking of reporting that avatar of his

I would suggest finding his blog, used to be with his previous name. Goebells would be proud.

 

[Solomon2]

For all who need to understand the person Ive quoted. One only needs to look at his blog and the MASSIVE amount of hatred and bigotry thrown at Islam. Please do not be fooled by the supposed friendship flags.

Remember, too, that I'm here, in this thread, to try to keep Muslims from killing Muslims.

That is pure nonsense. Zionism had NOTHING to do with the west -

Ah, but anti-Zionism has everything to do with rejecting Western values. Remember, I cite relevant laws, relevant property and individual rights, ethics, and precedence to back up the Zionist case - everything grounded in Western values. Anti-zionists bring cooked-up falsehoods and religious and racial bigotry and supremacism to back up theirs. You really don't think the Islamo-fascists embrace the same values as the anti-Zionists?

 

[SQ8]

Remember, too, that I'm here, in this thread, to try to keep Muslims from killing Muslims.

Ah, but anti-Zionism has everything to do with rejecting Western values. Remember, I cite relevant laws, relevant property and individual rights, ethics, and precedence to back up the Zionist case - everything grounded in Western values. Anti-zionists bring cooked-up falsehoods and religious and racial bigotry and supremacism to back up theirs. You really don't think the Islamo-fascists embrace the same values as the anti-Zionists?

Santimonioum helps, but I see less muslims killing muslims and more "be zionist or be terrorist" rhetoric.

The rest again has little base besides you stating that. Again, please find the relevant laws and rights and values that specifically mention the cause of zionism as the reference.
Islamo-facists embrace the same values as those that someone like Pamela Geller or the Nazis did; has little to do with anti-zionism.

 

[The Sandman]

I would suggest finding his blog, used to be with his previous name. Goebells would be proud.

Judging from his posts on PDF i would never do that.

 

[Solomon2]

Santimonioum helps, but I see less muslims killing muslims and more "be zionist or be terrorist" rhetoric.

I think you mean to say you consider me "sanctimonius" - making a show of being morally superior to others. Well, there are three things one can do when confronted by a moral example: reject the example, embrace it, or ignore it. Which choice is best for Pakistan, as opposed to best for your feelings?

The rest again has little base besides you stating that.

I have pointed out repeatedly the bases for "the rest", as you put it: the laws of Ottoman and Mandate Palestine were those of the tanzimat, not sharia; that the Mandate deeded public lands and resources to Jews and explicitly called for Jewish settlement; that the Jews can point to purchasing large amounts of privately-held lands from Arabs; that the Jews did not yield their civil rights, which meant the Arabs in Mandate Palestine had no right to revolt and murder their Jewish neighbors, nor the Arabs of surrounding states to kick the Jews out, etc.

Islamo-facists embrace the same values as those that someone like Pamela Geller or the Nazis did; has little to do with anti-zionism.

Now you're just "rewinding the tape" back to the beginning, where I pointed out the difference between the two and the axe example. Why do you continue to respect your own opinion? You know your emotions, while they may be genuinely felt, are unsupported by facts and logic. Why not change your mind, now?

 

[Mysticbuddy]

That's what kill me. Hypocrite world and media.. Killing Muslims do not

If there was a self realization on the part of the country itself then the whole world will acknowledge it. When it's what the ISI termed it ( right from Assad durani) as collateral damage.

When you are pretty much asking funds to get over a part of land not under the command of government then you are bound to take orders.

Cut the HEAD of the SNAKE (US) . Govt. of Pakistan should realize that US is just using them in a condition. WAr on Terrorism by the name of terrorism, They F2F muslims VS muslims. People should realize the ugly truth.

I like your comment -US government of Pakistan.

 

[RealNapster]

If there was a self realization on the part of the country itself then the whole world will acknowledge it. When it's what the ISI termed it ( right from Assad durani) as collateral damage.

When you are pretty much asking funds to get over a part of land not under the command of government then you are bound to take orders.

"Killing Muslims do not make Breaking news in NEW YORK times............ "" You should quote properly.

And an American should be the last one to lecture someone on "self realization" . First you have to "self realize" many many and many of your mistakes. Sure we ( Pakistan ) made mistakes. but that's how you learn. right ? you people got 200+ year's to learn. we are just in our 60's . let us make mistakes buddy.

Chill .

 

[Jaanbaz]

What does Zionism has anything to do with that's happening in Pakistan? Pakistan is not in ME, Pakistan does not need to deal with Israel. Pakistanis have bigger problems then bunch of mini Nazis running the show in Palestine. Once Pakistanis can sort the mess at home maybe @Solomon2 can worry about Pakistan, right now your input is making you look really stupid.