IN PAKISTAN, WHO IS KILLING WHOM

[salarsikander]

Keep digging: it was a broken pipe, and the rest of the story just the usual anti-Israel slander.

And so the countries that oppose the illegal settlement are also wrong too ?

If so then why would a minister threaten their activist with violence ? this just goes on to say that, even at govt level Isreali are very ferocius
http://www.auphr.org/index.php/news/5460--israeli-ministers-threaten-violence-against-bds-activists

In Pakistan the rule is that slandering Israel is permitted while correcting the slanders is against education policy. It's really really crazy but you're called to pursue that course as a matter of national loyalty, no matter how much your brains get twisted as a result.

In isreal, where openly killing is justified murder of journalist and activist are carried is also acceptable, but speaking against it is considered as crimes committed against illegal state and hence that is why we see you denying everything

 

[Solomon2]

Jews are the most coward people ever lived on earth. since last 60+ years you are killing innocent people specially kids and women.

I have discovered there are deliberate efforts to hide just how brave Jews can be. For example, the British to this day hide the courage of "Palestinian" (that is, Jewish) soldiers in WWII Africa. The final capture of Bardia in WWII, for example. Jewish commandos captured the port and thousands of Italian troops, but British accounts of the capture stop with the advance of New Zealand troops into the suburbs. That's quite a black hole. And it's all to sop up to the Arabs!

And so the countries that oppose the illegal settlement are also wrong too ?

Yes. That's because most of the settlements aren't illegal, that's merely what they are called. The U.N. actually had to pass a resolution naming Gaza and Judea-Samaria as such, because legally they are not!

Under the post-Ottoman Mandate of Palestine the territory from the Mediterranean to the Jordan is the Jews' National Home and they are to "closely settle" the region, and under Article 80 of the U.N. Charter efforts to change that without the Jews' assent by any vote in the Security Council or General Assembly has no legal merit.

I see this thread is decaying into a bash-Zionist thing. Are Pakistanis going to gather the gumption to challenge @salarsikander et al about that, or let him get away with it, and so let your country's problems continue to grow without being addressed?

 

[salarsikander]

I have discovered there are deliberate efforts to hide just how brave Jews can be. For example, the British to this day hide the courage of "Palestinian" (that is, Jewish) soldiers in WWII Africa. The final capture of Bardia in WWII, for example. Jewish commandos captured the port and thousands of Italian troops, but British accounts of the capture stop with the advance of New Zealand troops into the suburbs. That's quite a black hole. And it's all to sop up to the Arabs!

Yes. That's because most of the settlements aren't illegal, that's merely what they are called. The U.N. actually had to pass a resolution naming Gaza and Judea-Samaria as such, because legally they are not!

Under the post-Ottoman Mandate of Palestine the territory from the Mediterranean to the Jordan is the Jews' National Home and they are to "closely settle" the region, and under Article 80 of the U.N. Charter efforts to change that without the Jews' assent by any vote in the Security Council or General Assembly has no legal merit.

I see this thread is decaying into a bash-Zionist thing. Are Pakistanis going to gather the gumption to challenge @salarsikander et al about that, or let him get away with it, and so let your country's problems continue to grow without being addressed?

Ahh i get it so you will continue to deny even the last last person on earth says it. Why? because he is opposing the illegal settlement ?

 

[Solomon2]

Ahh i get it so you will continue to deny even the last last person on earth says it. Why? because he is opposing the illegal settlement ?

So what is to be done? Keeping hacking at Zionists until the Pakistan surrounding you is black with the charred bones of your countrymen who die at the hands of terrorists, or show salarsikander et al to the door?

Gotta call it a night. @salarsikander: you're practically my ally here, you know that?

 

[SherDil]

I have quoted you in an another thread, and as always you are not responding any particular reason why ?

same lame excuse for hiding behind their 'Sacred Terebinth' as they always do..

 

[RealNapster]

I did read your post and I did explain the situation acoording with my poor sense, the group and mentality involved in these brutal killings of Pakistanis relate with the ideology TTP has LeJ has GeM has no go and figure it out which firqa they are belonging. Where the Punjabi Takiban gone? Who proudly claim on Ahmadiyya mosque mascare in Lahore, Waite they Do Touba and bussy in Tabligh! NO they keeping silence coz operation Zarb e Adhab in process they and their facilators supporters that mentality sleeping till the situation get better for them and they start again their devilish games so as LeJ and other groups.

Sir. it's democracy. You can think and believe whatever you wan't to. if you think a group or a "firqa" as per your claim is killing Ahmadi's. So it's very brutal act. and we All Pakistani's condemn this act. but sir you have to provide proof's to back your statement. if you are unable to provide any proof's. then it's just a blind arrow in darkness.

Thank you for Your kind reply sir

I am a Pakistani and I love Pakistan as much as you. I guess after religion certificates now I do not need your certificate for my love for country as well

The rest of your comments dont need a reply as everything is pretty clear in front of all. This state sponsored persecution is not new against Ahmadis and I believe you are well aware of it

Well. it may hurt my Indian friends. but i use word "indian" for the word " idiot" .. so no. i am not doubting your patriotism. stay calm.

BTW i like your 2nd part of post. .. it's more like RUN SHEEDA RUN........

Thanks for Your Kind reply sir

 

[kasper95]

Yes.

Good now again an honest answer ,do you consider him Muslim ?

 

[RealNapster]

The basic difference over a murder of say a sunni by another sunni VS death of an ahmedi by a sunni is the fact that the latter was committed with religious intent and not any other generic dispute-rad property, business, women etc

Sir . here i will disagree.

i mean, yes ! religion can be a factor ''out of many factors '' . for example ; some problem in financial deal's with some one. So "money" can also be a factor..

The Guy murdered was a fake doctor. maybe he have killed someone's "relative" by wrong injection. " remember i said may be"... so it can be a sort of revenge. right ?

i mean; it can be any thing. so why discuss only religion ? because it happens in Pakistan that's why ?

Again, it can be anything.

What is that famous urdu saying: " Chullo bhar pani main doob maroo"

Sir you can speak urdu ? that's news for me.

 

[kasper95]

You forget to mention Zionist occupation of Palestine and Hindu occupation of Kashmir.

land did not have religion till some bigots came along.

You forget to mention Zionist occupation of Palestine and Hindu occupation of Kashmir.

land did not have religion till some bigots came along.

 

[RealNapster]

In Pakistan the rule is that slandering Israel is permitted while correcting the slanders is against education policy. It's really really crazy but you're called to pursue that course as a matter of national loyalty, no matter how much your brains get twisted as a result.

Trust me. Normal Pakistani citizen don't care about Israel. Please Feel Safe...............

Good now again an honest answer ,do you consider him Muslim ?

Sir. !

The answer is

" The constitution of my Country do not consider them Muslim. "

A Normal and educated Pakistani have nothing with Mullah-brigade and fitwa etc. . . . . . . . . . . . . We are only Following The Constitution of ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN i.e; OUR COUNTRY. and this "OUR" include Ahmadi's.

 

[kasper95]

Trust me. Normal Pakistani citizen don't care about Israel. Please Feel Safe...............



Sir. !

The answer is

" The constitution of my Country do not consider them Muslim. "

A Normal and educated Pakistani have nothing with Mullah-brigade and fitwa etc. . . . . . . . . . . . . We are only Following The Constitution of ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN i.e; OUR COUNTRY. and this "OUR" include Ahmadi's.

no,the point I am trying to make is,till he knew his friend was a ahmadi he had no problem taking him as a Muslim,but the moment he gets to know about his friend is ahmadi things change.if this happens two close and educated friends ,then you can imagine what could happen between poor and uneducated strangers. no hell broke lose when he considered his friend a Muslim with out him knowing about his friend. As most Muslims say judgement day or facing the god,something like that.
let him decide who is a Muslim and who is not.

 

[544_delta]

Pakistan state has legalized persecution of Ahmadis.

when, where and how? the state has declared them non-muslim which is in lines with the Islamic roots of the country. it wasn't some sort of ethnic or racial genocidal drive but a unanimously agreed upon legislation that was according to the established canons of Islamic law.

 

[RealNapster]

no,the point I am trying to make is,till he knew his friend was a ahmadi he had no problem taking him as a Muslim,but the moment he gets to know about his friend is ahmadi things change.if this happens two close and educated friends ,then you can imagine what could happen between poor and uneducated strangers. no hell broke lose when he considered his friend a Muslim with out him knowing about his friend. As most Muslims say judgement day or facing the god,something like that.

Many Many Muslims have non-muslim friends so why not Ahmadi friends ? The person who is my roommate from Previous 3 years is an Ahmadi. and yes he is my Best friend. You are just exaggerating things.

let him decide who is a Muslim and who is not.

Who the hell is he to decide either a person is Muslim or not. He ,neither me have the privilege and authority to decide who is Muslim and who is not. Jiska kaam Usi ko Saanjy.

Thanks for your decent reply. Thanks

when, where and how? the state has declared them non-muslim which is in lines with the Islamic roots of the country. it wasn't some sort of ethnic or racial genocidal drive but a unanimously agreed upon legislation that was according to the established canons of Islamic law.

Leave him. he is just a troller. May na manu wala qisa hay iska b.

 

[FNFAL]

Sir . here i will disagree.

i mean, yes ! religion can be a factor ''out of many factors '' . for example ; some problem in financial deal's with some one. So "money" can also be a factor..

The Guy murdered was a fake doctor. maybe he have killed someone's "relative" by wrong injection. " remember i said may be"... so it can be a sort of revenge. right ?

i mean; it can be any thing. so why discuss only religion ? because it happens in Pakistan that's why ?

Again, it can be anything

No issue sir. We are talking and thats why forums are great . The perspective on fake doctor can be plausible indeed.
But that may not be case in other killings. It is known that some sections of the pakistani are vehemently against ahmedis- and unfortunately that drives some illiterates to commit sin
Hopefully all societies are able to rid of this evil.

 

[RealNapster]

It is known that some sections of the pakistani are vehemently against ahmedis- and unfortunately that drives some illiterates to commit sin
Hopefully all societies are able to rid of this evil.

Aamin ..