In light of recent events, the real reason why US won't leave afghanistan directly from an American.

[LeGenD]

Bro arguing with that guy who used to misquote the Quran saying we should respect america as a superpower.

Being a Muslim, you should know better as in not to lie and accuse others of falsehood.

US is not directly mentioned/hinted in the Holy Quran. I simply pointed out repeatedly that Surah Al-Isra is very telling in regards to current events as to why Muslims are suffering inspite of being in abundance. Problem is that so-called Muslims do not even bother to study and understand Holy Quran; many are too lost in worldy affairs and methods of settlements. Allah Almighty have clearly warned Muslims as to not follow in the footsteps of corrupt jews or you will be subjected to similar trials and problems in this world and also suffer in afterlife. But one can clearly notice otherwise in this era of great FITNA.

If you are so eager to fight US then why you wasting time on PDF? Why don't you join Afghan Taliban or some other militia? Let us see how far you can go and how long will you last.

There are matters which cannot be sorted out via fighting, you need to consider diplomacy instead. How many Muslims have to die until Afghan Taliban will get the memo?

There is only one ultra-power that can deter/handle USA and that is only and only Allah Almighty alone. WE cannot stop them because WE are not on the right path and neither WE have sufficient power. WE need to fix ourselves first and be in the good books of Allah Almighty. Only then Allah Almighty will help us and create conditions which will deter US in the long-term.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

We should for diplomacy sake stop brandishing these swords sir

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Bro,

I do not believe that US will go as far as to abandon Afghanistan in full capacity. This option was never on the cards, and even Afghan Taliban realize as much.

Donald Trump simply offered Afghan Taliban a second chance (a political future in Afghanistan). In exchange he assured Afghan Taliban to minimize American military presence in Afghanistan and let Afghans decide their future in various aspects of life.

This wasn't a bad offer at all, American assertiveness notwithstanding. This deal would have paved way for peaceful resolution of the current chapter Afghan Civil War and political crisis. Pakistan could also benefit from this settlement in numerous ways.

Afghan Taliban can be far more influential in developments across Afghanistan while in political offices and in the light of the fact that they have an agreement with US in this regard. US would look the other way in many cases because its primary concern is to ensure that the AfPak region is terror-free.

Now I am not so sure. Now it is free for all once again.

You are saying the chief breaker of promises and treaties would value a treaty with the Taliban.

They had only one demand, for foreigner forces to leave Afghanistan.

Research yourself what US has done throughout history.

There is one statement made by a Native American leader who said, “The White man broke every treaty and promise they gave to us except one: They said they would take our land and they did.” [Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee]

 

[Fawadqasim1]

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[LeGenD]

You are saying the chief breaker of promises and treaties would value a treaty with the Taliban.

They had only one demand, for foreigner forces to leave Afghanistan.

Research yourself what US has done throughout history.

There is one statement made by a Native American leader who said, “The White man broke every treaty and promise they gave to us except one: They said they would take our land and they did.” [Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee]

Bro, these sweeping generalizations are never helpful.

There are a large number of seemingly decent Americans out there, who desire peace and prosperity.

Of-course, this world is very complex and much EVIL is justified under the garb of 'national interests' but things can change for the better in the long term if people learn from their mistakes.

WE must have faith in Allah Almighty and strive to be better Muslims. Let our good deeds do the talking. This isn't to say that WE must not arm ourselves and allow EVIL to materialize unchecked. But there must be a strategy and WE must fight in righteous ways only.

One of the most important aspects of our faith is PATIENCE. Victory does not necessarily come easily or in a short span, and not necessarily in the manner WE might be expecting, but WE must have faith in Allah Almighty. Only he have the power to change our fate.

Look no further than the struggles of the holy Prophet Muhammad PHUH. He had to deal with some of the most stubborn people in the world and was subject to exceedingly harsh trials but he was patient and firm in his mission, and eventually succeeded in reforming the region.

Afghan Taliban are not good people, they kill other Muslims/people indiscriminately, and no wonder they were unable to convince Americans with their deeds that they are a reasonable bunch and will strive for lasting peace in the region. These guys are not righteous in any manner; they are just as bad as any other terrible militia. You expect these guys to reform the region?

No wonder Afghanistan is one big terrible mess where bloodshed is common and corruption is in abundance. FITNA everywhere. Allah kee lanat hai iss fazool mulk/qom parr, Amerika ko kiya kosnaa hai.

And here I see Muslims cheering for those who are just as bad as the ones whom they hate - looks like many are not in their senses.

Americans are bad - yes - but they are not believers in the first place. But how are WE different and any better?

 

[BRAVO_]

there was a no ceasefire agreement between America and Taliban so technically there is no violation of any agreement, however, problem is Taliban want to prove they are victorious thoroughly on the other hand Trump is facing huge domestic pressure and attacks like recent pushed him at back feet, he has to contest the next election and he need a face saving for that, so taliban should act sensibility, and should avoid such attacks until they reached some agreement otherwise, war is Afghanistan economy and even if americans left the country afghans will fight with each other

 

[Haris Ali2140]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1170747412899667969

 

[Nasr]

I have tagged the timestap.. Just watch from 20 mins onward for 4 mins and you will know exactly why US will never leave Afghanistan alone as its objectives is not Taliban , it is China and Pakistan.

General Hameed Gul was right. Afghanistan thikana hai , Pakistan nishana hai.

This vindicates what I stated in another thread about Trump cancelling talks with Afghan Pukhtun Mujahiddins.

Trump is either stupid or retarded, he doesn't realize that elements within his administration don't want US Military to withdraw from Afghanistan, at all.

Afghan Pukhtun Mujahiddin have made it abundantly clear that they want ALL FOREIGNERS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. So Trump ought to look at his own administration which infested zionist-parasites.

No president since JFK has been truly a President of America. Every US President after JFK has been a Zionist slave. And anyone who disputes that, is either a zionist-parasite or is a mindless buffoon who doesn't know how badly his country is being ripped apart by Zionist-Parasites for past 50 years.

This is a deliberate sabotage from within Trump's administration. It is exactly the same when Trump declared ISIS defeated and that he will order a full US military withdrawal from Syria. Till today, America military stays in Syria.

 

[Path-Finder]

Being a Muslim, you should know better as in not to lie and accuse others of falsehood.

US is not directly mentioned/hinted in the Holy Quran. I simply pointed out repeatedly that Surah Al-Isra is very telling in regards to current events as to why Muslims are suffering inspite of being in abundance. Problem is that so-called Muslims do not even bother to study and understand Holy Quran; many are too lost in worldy affairs and methods of settlements. Allah Almighty have clearly warned Muslims as to not follow in the footsteps of corrupt jews or you will be subjected to similar trials and problems in this world and also suffer in afterlife. But one can clearly notice otherwise in this era of great FITNA.

If you are so eager to fight US then why you wasting time on PDF? Why don't you join Afghan Taliban or some other militia? Let us see how far you can go and how long will you last.

There are matters which cannot be sorted out via fighting, you need to consider diplomacy instead. How many Muslims have to die until Afghan Taliban will get the memo?

There is only one ultra-power that can deter/handle USA and that is only and only Allah Almighty alone. WE cannot stop them because WE are not on the right path and neither WE have sufficient power. WE need to fix ourselves first and be in the good books of Allah Almighty. Only then Allah Almighty will help us and create conditions which will deter US in the long-term.

Let me ask you these things, why are you so eager to hold the them as deity? If war is so bad then why has the US spent its entire history in war? regardless of whatever the pretext they sell! how many years have they seen peace? I will have to shed a tear that Muslims are dying and taliban didn't get the memo etc. If the yanke homeland is invaded would that be deemed the right to self determination when people take up arms and resist? afghans should shift their qibla to washington dc and then all will be fine I suppose.

War is haram then why did Ghawad's happen? I am eager to how you will preach me the might of america on this!

So please don't serve me sermons on this matter. If you deem their power to be some miracle of the day then don't sell it us. Thank you.

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

There will always be shills (like Qadianis and other liberals) on web forums who will defend the western policies. They do this because they have submitted themselves to them.

In the coming times, shills like these would not be able to play their dual game and will be considered an enemy to Pakistan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There will always be shills (like Qadianis and other liberals) on web forums who will defend the western policies. They do this because they have submitted themselves to them.

In the coming times, shills like these would not be able to play their dual game and will be considered an enemy to Pakistan

Considering all the machinations that they have done against innocent Pakistan, Turkey, and Iran who have never bourn a personal threat to them.

One must wonder as to what exactly is their end goal.

Is it to fill the Muslim world with proxies and puppets? Or is it to take the long path of making us docile and ripe for annihilation from their masters?

It is in no interest of US to promote hate for themselves in Muslim countries, only one country (Israel) benefits.

 

[LeGenD]

Let me ask you these things, why are you so eager to hold the them as deity? If war is so bad then why has the US spent its entire history in war? regardless of whatever the pretext they sell! how many years have they seen peace? I will have to shed a tear that Muslims are dying and taliban didn't get the memo etc. If the yanke homeland is invaded would that be deemed the right to self determination when people take up arms and resist? afghans should shift their qibla to washington dc and then all will be fine I suppose.

War is haram then why did Ghawad's happen? I am eager to how you will preach me the might of america on this!

So please don't serve me sermons on this matter. If you deem their power to be some miracle of the day then don't sell it us. Thank you.

If war is so bad? Since when is a war a matter of celebration? This is Hitler-level psychosis.

The eventual byproduct of a war is death and destruction on an enormous scale, and gains are normally limited.

Studying about wars in books is one thing, living through one is another and it can have a lasting impact on your mind and sanity.

In case you didn't realize by now, I am not a fan of 'Muslims killing other Muslims' and seeking glory in these political exploits.

Do Afghan Taliban speak for entire Afghanistan? Why you desire this particular group to take over entire Afghanistan by force? Do you have personal stakes in this group? This might explain your inability to understand a viewpoint that does not conform to your seemingly rigid beliefs.

As for US having a rich history in the art of warfare, do you think that this is an admirable quality of this country?

FYI Americans did not start every war they have fought up-to now but they have certainly brought several to a logical conclusion on their terms. I am not speaking for Americans here, simply pointing out the truth based on my readings (books; articles).

Why US-led forces invaded Afghanistan in 2001, is a reality you seem to overlook on a consistent basis, and you never subject Afghan Taliban to any sort of critic or notice its blunders/errors. I do however.

And how do you see a parallel between a Ghazwa with what is happening in Afghanistan in current times?

Ghazwa took place for the benefit of Islam and to ensure its survival in the face of much conspiracy against it.

Afghan Taliban are striving for 'political gains' in Afghanistan; they want to revert Afghanistan to pre-2001 political order in which they had control over much of Afghanistan and could do as they please, suppressing voices of many in the process. Worst aspect of this reign was the fact that they knowingly and/or foolishly transformed Afghanistan into a breeding ground of terrorism by allowing the notorious Al-Qaeda Network to gain a solid foothold in the region.

You might perceive struggles of Afghan Taliban as 'resistance against occupying forces' but regional ground realities are much darker and WE need to concentrate on the bigger picture.

In very short terms, Afghan Taliban brought this shit upon themselves and I feel no sympathy for them because they haven't learned from their blunders/errors yet. I hope they do now.

 

[Path-Finder]

If war is so bad? Since when is a war a matter of celebration? This is Hitler-level psychosis.

The eventual byproduct of a war is death and destruction on an enormous scale, and gains are normally limited.

Studying about wars in books is one thing, living through one is another and it can have a lasting impact on your mind and sanity.

In case you didn't realize by now, I am not a fan of 'Muslims killing other Muslims' and seeking glory in these political exploits.

I expected such brazen concocted reply and using hitler is very rich I didn't know he was a Muslim!

Do Afghan Taliban speak for entire Afghanistan? Why you desire this particular group to take over entire Afghanistan by force? Do you have personal stakes in this group? This might explain your inability to understand a viewpoint that does not conform to your seemingly rigid beliefs.

Why the hard on for what the taliban do? Their movement is afghan based with afghans joining their ranks and here is the thing, resorting to put a label on me that I am pro taliban is all you can do. what language does america speak for afghans? why are you invested in them? do they lay golden eggs! My viewpoint is very simple and if you cannot understand and lets be honest you have them on a pedestal if don't hold them to a deity level. One can understand how it was in vietnam war too making labels and putting them on people.

FYI Americans did not start every war they have fought up-to now but they have certainly brought several to a logical conclusion on their terms. I am not speaking for Americans here, simply pointing out the truth based on my readings (books; articles).

no they are the innocent party.

Why US-led forces invaded Afghanistan in 2001, is a reality you seem to overlook on a consistent basis, and you never subject Afghan Taliban to any sort of critic or notice its blunders/errors. I do however.

And how do you see a parallel between a Ghazwa with what is happening in Afghanistan in current times?

Ghazwa took place for the benefit of Islam and to ensure its survival in the face of much conspiracy against it.

Afghan Taliban are striving for 'political gains' in Afghanistan; they want to revert Afghanistan to pre-2001 political order in which they had control over much of Afghanistan and could do as they please, suppressing voices of many in the process. Worst aspect of this reign was the fact that they knowingly and/or foolishly transformed Afghanistan into a breeding ground of terrorism by allowing the notorious Al-Qaeda Network to gain a solid foothold in the region.

You might perceive struggles of Afghan Taliban as 'resistance against occupying forces' but regional ground realities are much darker and WE need to concentrate on the bigger picture.

In very short terms, Afghan Taliban brought this shit upon themselves and I feel no sympathy for them because they haven't learned from their blunders/errors yet.

yea, your entire problem is a stiffness over the taliban I get that, again why is war wrong for them and good for the yanks? Like I asked you earlier if the yankee homeland is under invasion under whatever the pretext. would you consider that a legal struggle? Yes you would!

last few words. no matter what you say or think. what happens in afghanistan IS between the yanks and taliban. I commend you on trying to spin it but everyone is sick of this might is right macho bull crap. The world is not what it was 19 years ago.

 

[LeGenD]

I expected such brazen concocted reply and using hitler is very rich I didn't know he was a Muslim!


Why the hard on for what the taliban do? Their movement is afghan based with afghans joining their ranks and here is the thing, resorting to put a label on me that I am pro taliban is all you can do. what language does america speak for afghans? why are you invested in them? do they lay golden eggs! My viewpoint is very simple and if you cannot understand and lets be honest you have them on a pedestal if don't hold them to a deity level. One can understand how it was in vietnam war too making labels and putting them on people.

no they are the innocent party.


yea, your entire problem is a stiffness over the taliban I get that, again why is war wrong for them and good for the yanks? Like I asked you earlier if the yankee homeland is under invasion under whatever the pretext. would you consider that a legal struggle? Yes you would!

last few words. no matter what you say or think. what happens in afghanistan IS between the yanks and taliban. I commend you on trying to spin it but everyone is sick of this might is right macho bull crap. The world is not what it was 19 years ago.

I shall clear some misconceptions.

Cold War is one of the worst chapters of human history because NATO, USSR and China facilitated political divisions in different regions of the world (pitting one country against another) and these moves had tragic consequences for many unfortunately. Vietnam was one of the victims of this sort of mischief but it managed to overcome its internal strife in the long-term which is a positive development. Other regions remain split to this day including the Korean peninsula and China from Taiwan.

Cold War also facilitated Iran - Iraq war and the Soviet - Afghan war - both in the 1980s. Death and destruction on a massive scale notwithstanding, these two wars also fueled the menace of Salafi jihadism in turn and political entities such as the Al-Qaeda Network, ISIS, ISIS-K and Taliban types are expressions/off-shoots of this extremist religio-political philosophy.

In short, Cold War had a cascading effect which continue to manifest in different ways and continue haunt people in different parts of the world even today.

If you pay closer attention, you will realize that the big three (US; Russia; and China) are at it again, and I fear that additional episodes of tragedies will unfold as a consequence at some point in different intervals. Pakistan, in particular, should be politically wiser now, and do its best to avoid being pulled into this nonsense once again. Towards this end, peaceful resolution of war in Afghanistan is in the best interest of Pakistan, and of-course, foreign footprint in Afghanistan must be reduced to bear minimum consequently, but this cannot be ensured by force. In case you didn't notice, Pakistan offer US most convenient access to Afghanistan...

US does have a say in the affairs of Afghanistan since 9/11 because of obvious reasons. Afghan Taliban must learn from its mistakes, this is the only way forward.

 

[CodeforFood]

I have tagged the timestap.. Just watch from 20 mins onward for 4 mins and you will know exactly why US will never leave Afghanistan alone as its objectives is not Taliban , it is China and Pakistan.

General Hameed Gul was right. Afghanistan thikana hai , Pakistan nishana hai.

And you come to know this now smh...