In China, 'Xi Forever' May Not Be Forever, After All

[sweetgrape]

If the decision of dismantling the Y-10 was right, then why they later had to find a scapegoat to blame? Because it was simply a wrong decision implemented by Deng, because he didn't want the gang of four taking any credits.

Of course, the gang of four had done many wrong things, but they had also done many right things like to supervise many important projects of our military industrial complex. The world is closer to grey than just purely black or white, but Deng wanted to demonize them for everything to further advance his political agenda, that's why he sought to destroy their legacy and everything they touched.

And Jiang was backed by the conservative faction of the CPC, and Deng never liked him, he wanted to use Zhu Rongji (the mentor of Wang Qishan) to replace Jiang, but the conservative faction had impeded his plan.

Even Deng make mistake on Y10 project, so Deng should be censured unconditionally for this? and at that time, just get out of the Great Cultural Revolution, as a new leader, what you think should do for leading the state out of difficulty? entangled in some projects?

Judge a single affair is easy, right or wrong! but you must contact it with others, for big picture, sometimes you have to sacrifice some right projects.

You even can praise gand of Four for something, why can't praise Deng for its contribution to the country? Deng did worse than Gang of Four? and Gang of Four supervise military projects for what? their action promote China military industry or not?

Judge leader fairly!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As I have said, every Chinese leaders has his share of limitation and made his share of mistakes. After all they are all human, and they are in the greatest experiment in the history of mankind. It is more important to see that China is stronger than ever, due to each and every Chinese leaders and generations of Chinese people's sacrifice and contribution. You made the same mistake as Beijingwalker, you guys sliced out a piece of history and asked some "what if" questions.

He opened the Pandora Box in order to make Chairman Mao looked bad.

I don't want to slice the history, and I do believe that Chairman Mao's era was necessary to pave the road for China's later economic reform, and thanked to President Jiang who was the right person to implement that. Now President Xi is going to make it even greater.

But Deng was by far the most overrated and selfish leader in PRC's history, and I used to believe that he also wanted to make China better. But when I learned more about him, I simply cannot stand him anymore.

Even Deng make mistake on Y10 project, so Deng should be censured unconditionally for this? and at that time, just get out of the Great Cultural Revolution, as a new leader, what you think should do for leading the state out of difficulty? entangled in some projects?

Judge a single affair is easy, right or wrong! but you must contact it with others, for big picture, sometimes you have to sacrifice some right projects.

You even can praise gand of Four for something, why can't praise Deng for its contribution to the country? Deng did worse than Gang of Four? and Gang of Four supervise military projects for what? their action promote China military industry or not?

Judge leader fairly!

When Deng realized that he made mistake, then he should take the responsibility by himself, not to find a scapegoat to blame.

This move only showed that he was a coward by nature, and a 5 foot midget would mostly act in that way.

 

[sweetgrape]

Yeah. It's so easy. What if your own city try getting independence from the rest of China? Let's see how long it can survive with the constant passive aggression and military threat from your neighbors like we do in the 60s.

Malacca is just a choke point. The one holding control over the Indian ocean is India.

China is a whole, China has been survive for thousand, although we underwent many wars and chaos. As long as China be stable, no one is real threat to us.

Of course, Malacca is choke point, very importan, and India have not that capability to control Indian Ocean and the sea-route, but USA can.

 

[Dungeness]

When Mao died, nobody sad, but when Zhou Enlai died, a lot of people cried. So for me, Zhou Enlai was a greater leader than Mao.

Where did you get this?

Anyway, there is no point auguring which leader made what mistake, they are all part of PRC's legacy. The important thing is CPC is learning from its mistakes and adjusting the direction when needed, that's why China is where it is today.

 

[Mista]

China is a whole, China has been survive for thousand, although we underwent many wars and chaos. As long as China be stable, no one is real threat to us.

Did you even get my point? Never mind. Forget it.

 

[Brainsucker]

Where did you get this?

Anyway, there is no point auguring which leader made what mistake, they are all part of PRC's legacy. The important thing is CPC is learning from its mistakes and adjusting the direction when needed, that's why China is where it is today.

From my uncle when he came here long time ago. He's dead now.

Well, you're right about that.

 

[sweetgrape]

He opened the Pandora Box in order to make Chairman Mao looked bad.

I don't want to slice the history, and I do believe that Chairman Mao's era was necessary to pave the road for China's later economic reform, and thanked to President Jiang who was the right person to implement that. Now President Xi is going to make it even greater.

But Deng was by far the most overrated and selfish leader in PRC's history, and I used to believe that he also wanted to make China better. But when I learned more about him, I simply cannot stand him anymore.



When Deng realized that he made mistake, then he should take the responsibility by himself, not to find a scapegoat to blame.

This move only showed that he was a coward by nature, and a 5 foot midget would mostly act in that way.

When he be leader, something can't be decided by him, and how could you sure that it was his idea? you said Deng is coward, hehe, so what about Mao? it is him who find Gang of four as scapegoat?

I don't think it is useful to be obessed with some decisions which maybe wrong. if you do that, you will find any leader are cheaters, but like Gandhi and Mandra are best leaders, no, they are great men, but bad leader.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, Cultural Revolution thought you that the previous way was wrong, and you need to change. What else? If you think that Cultural Revolution was the foundation for the modern China, then why you don't need to suffer like Xi in a poor village to gain knowledge like what he did? Shouldn't you preserve what was the best and throw the worst?

Mao Zedong was a great man. He was a great strategist, and a great politician. That's why he could bring the CCP who previously suffer from KMT attack and had only 1 small Yan'an to win the entire China (except Taiwan). But it doesn't mean that he was perfect. Maybe economy was his worst weakness. But Mao wasn't the only great leader from China at that time. You still have Zhou Enlai. When Mao died, nobody sad, but when Zhou Enlai died, a lot of people cried. So for me, Zhou Enlai was a greater leader than Mao. But it doesn't prevent me to admire Mao, just like I admire many Chinese leader from history. Like Liu Bang, Qin Shi Huang, etc.

Personally, I would rather befriend with a person like Zhou than Mao.

However, in order to survive in the harshness of this world, you need a ruthless person like Mao as the leader.

Now it is quite clear that Deng's family was involved in a trillion money laundering activity, and Anbang was their tool. When Anbang deliberately purchased the Waldorf Astoria to move their assets abroad, President Xi was already furious about that.

Anbang's true ownership belonged to Deng Pufang (the oldest son of Deng) and Chen Xiaolu (the youngest son of Marshal Chen Yi).

Chen Xiaolu was already dead, since he knew that President Xi was going after him, that's why he suffered a heart attack. Chen Xiaolu's father was the peer of Deng Xiaoping, and yet President Xi still wanted to go after him.

So Deng's family is also struggling right now, since their father connived them to do all kind of sh1t, and now they have no father and no puppet President to protect them anymore.

When he be leader, something can't be decided by him, and how could you sure that it was his idea? you said Deng is coward, hehe, so what about Mao? it is him who find Gang of four as scapegoat?

I don't think it is useful to be obessed with some decisions which maybe wrong. if you do that, you will find any leader are cheaters, but like Gandhi and Mandra are best leaders, no, they are great men, but bad leader.

Mao was already dead before the gang of four getting arrested. So he obviously didn't find any scapegoat for himself.

However, Deng personally found a scapegoat to cover his mistake when he was still alive.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/沈图

 

[Brainsucker]

Personally, I would rather befriend with a person like Zhou than Mao.

However, in order to survive in the harshness of this world, you need a ruthless person like Mao as the leader.

Now it is quite clear that Deng's family was involved in a trillion money laundering activity, and Anbang was their tool. When Anbang deliberately purchased the Waldorf Astoria to move their assets abroad, President Xi was already furious about that.

Anbang's true ownership belonged to Deng Pufang (the oldest son of Deng) and Chen Xiaolu (the youngest of Marshal Chen Yi).

Chen Xiaolu was already dead, since he knew that President Xi was going after him, that's why he suffered a heart attack. Chen Xiaolu's father was the peer of Deng Xiaoping, and yet President Xi still wanted to go after him.

So Deng's family is also struggling right now, since the father connived them to do all kind of sh1t, and now they have no father and no puppet President to protect them anymore.

You can blame the father when the son become a criminal. As it is the father's responsibility to teach his sons. But it doesn't mean that the father was a criminal himself. Or are you suggest that it is Deng who stole the country money?

 

[sweetgrape]

Did you even get my point? Never mind. Forget it.

You want to express you are at choke point but you external enviornment is terrible, and it is not you control the sea route?!

Yes, it is not you, We can understand difficulty you faced, but something you can decide.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You can blame the father when the son become a criminal. As it is the father's responsibility to teach his sons. But it doesn't mean that the father was a criminal himself. Or are you suggest that it is Deng who stole the country money?

Except the family of Marshal Ye Jianying, no other PRC leader's family can rival the Deng family in term of corruption scale.

All Deng's family members are corrupt, and they were doing this kind of sh1t when their father was still alive. So their father must have connived the children to do that kind of sh1t, no moral restriction at all.

This tells you what kind of person Deng Xiaoping really was.

 

[sweetgrape]

Personally, I would rather befriend with a person like Zhou than Mao.

However, in order to survive in the harshness of this world, you need a ruthless person like Mao as the leader.

Now it is quite clear that Deng's family was involved in a trillion money laundering activity, and Anbang was their tool. When Anbang deliberately purchased the Waldorf Astoria to move their assets abroad, President Xi was already furious about that.

Anbang's true ownership belonged to Deng Pufang (the oldest son of Deng) and Chen Xiaolu (the youngest of Marshal Chen Yi).

Chen Xiaolu was already dead, since he knew that President Xi was going after him, that's why he suffered a heart attack. Chen Xiaolu's father was the peer of Deng Xiaoping, and yet President Xi still wanted to go after him.

So Deng's family is also struggling right now, since their father connived them to do all kind of sh1t, and now they have no father and no puppet President to protect them anymore.



Mao was already dead before the gang of four getting arrested. So he obviously didn't find any scapegoat for himself.

However, Deng personally found a scapegoat to cover his mistake when he was still alive.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/沈图

As a leader, he are not alone, behind him, there are group working for him. Never Mind, Deng is a great leader, not only I think he is, but most of Chinese. end!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As a leader, he are not alone, behind you, there are group working for him. Never Mind, Deng is a great leader, not only I think he is, but most of Chinese. end!

If CPC allows having an online voting contest between Mao and Deng, we might see who most Chinese people see as the great leader.

Deng was opposite of Mao on everything, and his anti-Mao faith was simply too strong.

Jiang Zemin is a centrist and pragmatist, since he realized that to be 100% anti-Mao simply wouldn't work, especially after the collapse of the USSR. That's why he maintained many characteristics of Mao, while fixed the problems created by the Dengist economic reform.

Yet, many people were brainwashed by FLG's 24/7 nonstop propaganda that he was the most corrupt leader.

In fact, the wealth amassed by Jiang's family can't even compare to that of Deng's family.

President Xi has realized that Anbang has become a major financial risk for China, that's why he took them down first. If Jiang's family was more corrupt than Deng's family, then President Xi would rather go after Jiang's family instead.

 

[yjdlbcj]

The cultural revolution is China disaster, Chinese fight each other, to kill a lot of people, the recession almost subjugation, I only know that Chairman Mao's death and the gang of four is near the end time.
Deng Xiaoping reform and opening up, the resumption of the college entrance examination, the implementation of the market economy, disarmament 1 million... I think Deng brought China to prosperity.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The cultural revolution is China disaster, Chinese fight each other, to kill a lot of people, the recession almost subjugation, I only know that Chairman Mao's death and the gang of four is near the end time.
Deng Xiaoping reform and opening up, the resumption of the college entrance examination, the implementation of the market economy, disarmament 1 million... I think Deng brought China to prosperity.

Another Dengist simpleton, you can't even construct a single argument of your own.