Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

[Doctor09]

I dont see him a part of it as a person. But, when all the rejected people from the former politcal parties are running towars this newly emerged party seeing their chance of holding power again, I feel that he will become a part of it too. Any thing that goes into salt mine becomes salt (translation of a Persian saying). So the problem is "salt mine". We neend to breath in fresh air, not in that old salt mine again.

ok i have a simple question for you . i want a simple and straight answer.
IF there will be election tomorrow morning to whom you will cast a vote ?

 

[Khalid Mian]

whatever the laws are . they are made by Politicians and they must be obeyed and its cant be the justification that laws are british, islamic etc.. as long as they are present in constitution they must be followed . when these politicians themselves not obey they law and dont pay taxes then how can you think that public will obey the law and will pay the taxes honestly

These laws are kept not for being obyed, but for having loopholes in them. The loopholes that provide safe exit to the 'ruling class'. So, it is a problem not having appropriate laws. Now, the other part. Whatever laws we have, must be followed. Am I right. But followed by whom? Each and evey one holding ID card of this country. I say again each and every one. So, are we proposing scrutiny for people other than politicians?

 

[Khalid Mian]

ok i have a simple question for you . i want a simple and straight answer.
IF there will be election tomorrow morning to whom you will cast a vote ?

I have been on election duty for more than a couple of times. I would love to cast my vote in coming elections, surely. But, please dont ask to whom? I should be free not to disclose my political effiliation. But, I promise my self that my vote will never go to any inappropriate candiadte.

 

[Doctor09]

These laws are kept not for being obyed, but for having loopholes in them. The loopholes that provide safe exit to the 'ruling class'. So, it is a problem not having appropriate laws. Now, the other part. Whatever laws we have, must be followed. Am I right. But followed by whom? Each and evey one holding ID card of this country. I say again each and every one. So, are we proposing scrutiny for people other than politicians?

these loopholes are created by these politicians for their own benefits and if you elect them they will never ever change these laws and Imran is the one who want to change and eradicate corruption

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I have been on election duty for more than a couple of times. I would love to cast my vote in coming elections, surely. But, please dont ask to whom? I should be free not to disclose my political effiliation. But, I promise my self that my vote will never go to any inappropriate candiadte.

i saw these parties casting fake votes in recent elections in AJK and i dont believe them they will allow any fair election ......

 

[Khalid Mian]

these loopholes are created by these politicians for their own benefits and if you elect them they will never ever change these laws and Imran is the one who want to change and eradicate corruption

Has any party shown a clearcut route of how they are going to bring the change they talk about in slogans? A well documented road map. I am afraid no one has produced such thing. I would love to see such document if there is one.

 

[truthseer]

OMG! Imran Khan met Munter in presence of ISI chief. Unlike a certain Punjabi politician who goes and makes deals with foreigners without thinking of the country

 

[Doctor09]

this is the proof that Imran Khan is ISI agent
and he is working for Americans because he speaks English

this is the secret video made by Nawaz Sherif

.... apka jalsa sayasi tha mera jalsa awami hai

 

[Emmie]

We don't even have our own code of law. The basics of any state. What laws are running our country? Roman? British? Islamic? Any solution, please?

Thats because of the diversity in thought process that exists among contingents... Some think too Islamic, some value western pattern and some lie in between..

IMHO whatever is available at this point in time is ample to run a state any addition or subtraction would make us more unstable and that we really can not afford.. Our priorities are different, they are more political and economical, and of course law and order situation at its worst .

 

[Doctor09]

Has any party shown a clearcut route of how they are going to bring the change they talk about in slogans? A well documented road map. I am afraid no one has produced such thing. I would love to see such document if there is one.

any other party even dont have clear vision like IK

 

[truthseer]

either news is credible or not I know ISI and Military behind PTI without Military approval even 10,000 people not even capable to come and remember mark my word if Establishment give GREEN SIGNAL to MQM thn Imran Khan able to do jalsa in Karachi otherwise its hub of MQM where even PPP not able to do jalsa hope you get it. Anyway nothing harm in this ... PML-N, PML-K, MQM all parties also established by Military so whats bad in this Nawaz sahab ?

Hub of MQM? I think not. We come to rallies by people who are normal. If IK holds one here, people will go and listen, whether they vote PTI or not

 

[Emmie]

I dont see him a part of it as a person. But, when all the rejected people from the former politcal parties are running towars this newly emerged party seeing their chance of holding power again, I feel that he will become a part of it too. Any thing that goes into salt mine becomes salt (translation of a Persian saying). So the problem is "salt mine". We neend to breath in fresh air, not in that old salt mine again.

Well said here.... IK must not accept corrupt people.

 

[Khalid Mian]

any other party even dont have clear vision like IK

If you could share some links of the documents, I would be able to go through to see what that vision actually is?

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Thats because of the diversity in thought process that exists among contingents... Some think too Islamic, some value western pattern and some lie in between..

IMHO whatever is available at this point in time is ample to run a state any addition or subtraction would make us more unstable and that we really can not afford.. Our priorities are different, they are more political and economical, and of course law and order situation at its worst .

Does this mean the countries having a single code of law are not or less diverse? Its not so, I am afraid. And the emphasis was on 'code' not the laws generated through that code.

 

[truthseer]

Jinnah said he wanted Pakistan to be based on Islam, as an Islamic lab to practice it's principles. Seems pretty clear cut that means Shariat Law. So ideology of and party should be easy to decide

 

[Doctor09]

If you could share some links of the documents, I would be able to go through to see what that vision actually is?

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Does this mean the countries having a single code of law are not or less diverse? Its not so, I am afraid. And the emphasis was on 'code' not the laws generated through that code.

Vision dont need documentation ....... BTW if i get some documentation i will share with you ... if you want to know about his Vision then listen to him unbiased ... you will get your answers

 

[Khalid Mian]

Vision dont need documentation ....... BTW if i get some documentation i will share with you ... if you want to know about his Vision then listen to him unbiased ... you will get your answers

I am much skeptical about all of them because of that "Giant" machinery of which they become part themselves before being able to change it. Again, I like the Turkish way. Educate, change minds and behaviors, change will be there. A long long long process though, but concrete. I may be worng, any one can differ.

When we really want change, we must be wonderful managers. Documentation is a part of that management. Why not share clearly with masses what we actually want to do with their votes?