Imran Khan's bullet proof air conditioned container for PTI's march

[VCheng]

So is nawaz and shabaz and zardars liars No? So what do you expect from this tenure more lies based economy and promises? so how about Pakistani way of democracy and revolution.

The process is important than all of these people.

For all the corruption Zardari did, he deserves recognition for being the first to complete a term and then handing over power to legally elected successors. This processes must continue and not be derailed if Pakistan is to develop the much-needed institutions that will give it the foundation that it lacks to this day. That means allowing Nawaz Sharif to complete his term too, and fighting in the next elections legally.

 

[Psycho Pakistani]

Its not about container but about his emotional statement that he will be the first one to receive bullet on his brave chest

Every crucial statement that imran khan made in the past was script given to him at that time, what he is saying now about his "security" is also according to the script that he is acting upon these days. He has good experience of performing "scripted" politics, I remember his "scripted" politics from 2001 when he was campaigning in support of Mushi referendum and surprisingly the other buddy even at that time was also the same TUQ, both of them are chronic script actors. Some times I really feel that they deserve oscar for their flawless acting.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

In d beginning it was ok but now I think qadri is over reacting over model town incident.he is asking his workers to kill every policeman and enter in their houses?d policemen r just following orders.3 policemen died and 263 injured in clashes with PAT workers and dont know how many will die in future?now qadri is using the model town incident as a tool to create unrest in d country

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Every crucial statement that imran khan made in the past was script given to him at that time, what he is saying now about his "security" is also according to the script that he is acting upon these days. He has good experience of performing "scripted" politics, I remember his "scripted" politics from 2001 when he was campaigning in support of Mushi referendum and surprisingly the other buddy even at that time was also the same TUQ, both of them are chronic script actors. Some time I really feel that they deserve oscar for their flawless acting.

Media is clever and they will never let him forget . His mantra of ending corruption in 19 days and terrorism 90 days still haunting him. Political leaders should say things which are possible realistically

 

[Luftwaffe]

The process is important than all of these people.

For all the corruption Zardari did, he deserves recognition for being the first to complete a term and then handing over power to legally elected successors. This processes must continue and not be derailed if Pakistan is to develop the much-needed institutions that will give it the foundation that it lacks to this day. That means allowing Nawaz Sharif to complete his term too, and fighting in the next elections legally.

The process has Judiciary, EC, NADRA the process should provide Justice No? these men on the record went to all these departments and were denied. Mr. nawaz says we'll check into 10 consultancies after 15 months when PTI ask for 4 constituencies in May-June-July 2013 why did Mr.nawaz refuse.

Until the organs are not functioning properly there can't be any proper system in place every dept is corrupt. Hell they don't even have proper taxation system in place so what sort of system are you suggesting do you mean whoever is elected let them enjoy 5 years without any results.

 

[Viper0011.]

i would love to see such recorded evidence…. i've failed to find such evidence and I'm on the same internet as you…

is the million man march a highjacking of the united states??
what logic you have my friend…. i seriously thought you were smarter… i know black people aren't racist bigots like whites so please don't bring islam into this…
it is a peaceful protest… the only part that has participated in violence is the government. the protestors simply defended themselves..

in pakistan there is more respect for human life then in america… i can tell you that… i've lived in both places...

Youtube it, you'll find plenty. Type the mullah's name in it and go through those videos. You'll see the torture from all angles. Since you said you've lived in the US and all, PLEASE try to do this in any Western country and see how quickly cops will shoot you. No one's allowed to raise a gun to police or anything. No one's also allowed to go in an area shut down by the government of a city, sate or Federal. You know that if you've lived in the west. So why support this crazy torture and call this democratic right to "protest"? (its more like right to murder don't you think? and its a crime worth capital punishment)

A Million man march isn't a problem, the problem is the threats, the torture that's already happened and killed innocents, policemen and other and more is about to happen just by listening to the nature of the threats......WHY ????

Whites are also not racist. Frankly speaking, the Indian-Pakistanis are the worse racists of all times. A Pakistani friend of mins says it and the Indian ones agree with it.

In Pakistan, there is more respect for human life? Right, that's why people are robbed and killed, that's why families of enemies are killed in broad day light, that's why EVERY other politician gets up and threats to "JAM" the country if their demands aren't met??? or "Revolution" or "Freedom" after a WHOLE year worth of incapacity and inept behavior producing ZERO results but wanting more power based on people's headcount which would get killed????
What will happen next time? Sharriff's will bring their people out and JAM Islamabad? When will this end?? What are you leaving for your next generations? A broken Pakistan in pieces with no future and regard for the human life?

 

[Kompromat]

Given the amount of political leadership assassinated in Pakistan, one must be silly not to take any measures while undertaking a head on collision with a setup which spent billions to come into power.

 

[Viper0011.]

Until the organs are not functioning properly there can't be any proper system in place every dept is corrupt. Hell they don't even have proper taxation system in place so what sort of system are you suggesting do you mean whoever is elected let them enjoy 5 years without any results.

You guys have this elevator speech but you fail to go beyond the script. Why are you calling for violence? 10 seats still doesn't get you the majority...so why do extremist politics which will ONLY produce body bags of innocents and Police? WHY?

Also, if IK comes into power, what would happen? The God would send angels and he'd appoint them? No human police officers, no judges, no lawyers, just IK and Mullah Greedy? Two people running the nation on angels? Let's wake up.

Now tell me how do you solve this in 19 days as IK claims? He's not done so in a year in KPK. KPK is STILL one of the top corrupted states. So how do you trust his word when he's not produced JACK for the state he won out of??

 

[Kompromat]

1) I don't know what to call a person who wants to negotiate with Talibans due to his Pashtun roots. But he doesn't want to negotiate with the government to stop violent protests that have killed innocents, your stock markets are crashing and your public's going through pain.....this is terrorism. Second, you used mullah greeder's one to blame, he's joining hands with IK...so they are BOTH behind this crazy stream of violence which this time will break the country or will hit the defaulter. If your military thinks they'll be the savior this time, you are mistaken.
What if Shariff's call their supporters out to keep the government and let it be between people? Any idea how many would be killed???

2) I don't want to read books. I want to know examples of the written version. What out of those "things" on the website have actually happened in KPK as he's ruling it for one year.

3) Back to the main point, protest is everyone's democratic right. Violence is a crime, instigating violence that would result in people getting killed is literally assisting in murder and the punishment could be capital for this in other countries. So democracies run on negotiations not violence. No one's worth dying for, so greedy people can come into power. The system should continue and it should teach people the power of democratic values. You can't risk people's lives for your agenda. That is terrorism and open. If you have any doubts, see videos on youtube how badly Policemen and innocents have been tortured, killed and many, many hospitalized.....this is nonsense for nothing!

Negotiating with the Taliban was a tactic agreed in the NSC meeting. NS and IK in a rare show agreed to play good and bad cop while military did the hammering and it worked.

IK has never ruled out the use of force. His narrative has been consistent for the past decade that we must exhaust all peaceful options before going ballistic which i believe is a sensible thing to do, considering that our military power is limited.

 

[TankMan]

1) I don't know what to call a person who wants to negotiate with Talibans due to his Pashtun roots. But he doesn't want to negotiate with the government to stop violent protests that have killed innocents, your stock markets are crashing and your public's going through pain.....this is terrorism. Second, you used mullah greeder's one to blame, he's joining hands with IK...so they are BOTH behind this crazy stream of violence which this time will break the country or will hit the defaulter. If your military thinks they'll be the savior this time, you are mistaken.
What if Shariff's call their supporters out to keep the government and let it be between people? Any idea how many would be killed???

2) I don't want to read books. I want to know examples of the written version. What out of those "things" on the website have actually happened in KPK as he's ruling it for one year.

What crazy stream of violence are you talking about exactly? The one which PMLN goons started by "attacking" model town a month a go or the one they started by blocking entire cities a few days ago?

The stock markets crashing and innocent people dying are not his fault. It's all happening because Nawaz and his gang started over reacting, blocking entire cities and trying to stop people from peacefully demonstrating. If the police hadn't messed with Qadri's people in Model Town, all this wouldn't be happening. Imran Khan tried every process, every path for the past 14 months and hasn't gotten any response from the government. This left him with only one choice.

And about him wanting to negotiate with the Taliban, he wanted negotiations because he didn't want Pakistan's Army to have to kill Pakistanis, who (he believed) could be reasoned with. When negotiations broke down, he too supported Zarb-e-Azb.

The reason he doesn't want to negotiate with the government is that they will continue to eat the country while they sweep their crimes under the rug. Negotiating with them will just give them more time.

I'll give you the examples in a while, it'll take a while to type them since they are in slides.
As for KPK, from what I hear, they are slowly implementing whatever they can. The police and justice system has improved.
I can't give proper links since i'm a new member, but here you go:"KPK Government's Performance - Public Opinion - Siasat pk Exclusiv". Google it It's in Urdu, but since you speak 11 languages, that shouldn't be a problem, right?

 

[Luftwaffe]

You guys have this elevator speech but you fail to go beyond the script. Why are you calling for violence? 10 seats still doesn't get you the majority...so why do extremist politics which will ONLY produce body bags of innocents and Police? WHY?

Also, if IK comes into power, what would happen? The God would send angels and he'd appoint them? No human police officers, no judges, no lawyers, just IK and Mullah Greedy? Two people running the nation on angels? Let's wake up.

Now tell me how do you solve this in 19 days as IK claims? He's not done so in a year in KPK. KPK is STILL one of the top corrupted states. So how do you trust his word when he's not produced JACK for the state he won out of??

Go read American Revolution you did not had to revolt against British Empire in North America the right political system was in place why were you not happy and had gone Amok. We do remember american revolution violence. Why did people take extreme measures against British Empire why not peaceful ways. So now don't teach us peace peace green green.

Genius its not about 10 seats 4 constituencies was a Test if proven allegations and rigging means more rigging took place eventually fresh elections, so why was Govt and Election Commission afraid.

 

[Rahil khan]

1) I don't know what to call a person who wants to negotiate with Talibans due to his Pashtun roots. But he doesn't want to negotiate with the government to stop violent protests that have killed innocents, your stock markets are crashing and your public's going through pain.....this is terrorism. Second, you used mullah greeder's one to blame, he's joining hands with IK...so they are BOTH behind this crazy stream of violence which this time will break the country or will hit the defaulter. If your military thinks they'll be the savior this time, you are mistaken.
What if Shariff's call their supporters out to keep the government and let it be between people? Any idea how many would be killed???

2) I don't want to read books. I want to know examples of the written version. What out of those "things" on the website have actually happened in KPK as he's ruling it for one year.

3) Back to the main point, protest is everyone's democratic right. Violence is a crime, instigating violence that would result in people getting killed is literally assisting in murder and the punishment could be capital for this in other countries. So democracies run on negotiations not violence. No one's worth dying for, so greedy people can come into power. The system should continue and it should teach people the power of democratic values. You can't risk people's lives for your agenda. That is terrorism and open. If you have any doubts, see videos on youtube how badly Policemen and innocents have been tortured, killed and many, many hospitalized.....this is nonsense for nothing!

Actually Imran Khan is the only person outa 190 million people who knows the only constitutional way to remove the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif from his seat ......which of course is still yet to be discovered by all the constitutional experts in all across the country. Naya Pakistan can only be formed when Nawaz Sharif would be removed by his seat..which means we would be back in 90s again where no opposition party was ready to sit on opposition benches..!!! 30 plus seats in the national assembly, or the government in KP, or the respect he earned from millions by his philanthropic activities were worthless for him. He is driving his titanic straight towards the icebergs in Islamabad. ..!!

 

[Viper0011.]

Negotiating with the Taliban was a tactic agreed in the NSC meeting. NS and IK in a rare show agreed to play good and bad cop while military did the hammering and it worked.

IK has never ruled out the use of force. His narrative has been consistent for the past decade that we must exhaust all peaceful options before going ballistic which i believe is a sensible thing to do, considering that our military power is limited.

Thank you Aero. As always, your post changes a lot of things in a discussion. Here is my counter argument. Before you read it, know that I've pissed off many trying to make the same point but people aren't ready to go beyond the little they want to know or already know. Where is the proof that IK and Shariff wanted to play good and bad cops "together"?? I'd like to see it otherwise, it's stuff in the thin air like the laboratories that are trying to assemble voices from the radio waves in the air from 1960's discussions.....

The point here is not IK or Shariff's or anyone else. The point is, your country and this isn't the past anymore. This time, the consequences will be extremely hard. A lot of the funding organizations like the US Government, etc are getting tired of this drama usually supported by the military in Pakistan. There is never stability.

The IK situation is, why does he not see the need to do something democratic, that is, in people's broader safety and security and in the country's interests, discuss the situation with the government so more body bags don't have to surface. Why be so barbaric to such a sensitive issue of human lives?

Next, what will happen if he over takes the government? Next time, Shariff's or others would bring out their millions of people and take over the State? Is that it? You don't win, you bring your people and then get scores killed and then you get the power?
When will this cycle stop? This will lead to the civil war and then breaking of Pakistan....

As these things are happening, you should also consider the default you'll hit, the destruction of economy that's doing well (check your stock market and other investment forecasts and work in progress on this VERY forum).....all of this will be gone and it won't come back. You guys will become the other Afghanistan no one wants and it'll break. Has anyone thought this through?? Knowing ALL these danger to Pakistan and to its people and their lives and on the system, WHY NOT engage in discussions so NO ONE else gets killed. You all meet half way and the country goes back to where it needs to be....that is producing more jobs, projects finishing up, etc etc?

 

[Kompromat]

Heard some chatter about the security setup.

ICT Police is not believed by the NS setup to be willing to shoot at the protesters, therefore they are going to bring in the Rangers which will make the situation more complex as the Rangers is not going to carry out orders not sanctioned by the GHQ.

NS is trying to contain the march outside Islamabad as he has no authority willing to shoot the protesters and if he uses his terrorist allies of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sahaba as anarchists, the Army would have no option but to send the Delta-1 brigade to drag him out of the PM house.

In other words, NS is stuck between the butcher and the meat mincer.

@Hyperion @WebMaster @syedali73

 

[Viper0011.]

In d beginning it was ok but now I think qadri is over reacting over model town incident.he is asking his workers to kill every policeman and enter in their houses?d policemen r just following orders.3 policemen died and 263 injured in clashes with PAT workers and dont know how many will die in future?now qadri is using the model town incident as a tool to create unrest in d country

Thank you for providing the numbers. I've been fighting this war of common sense for over two days now and its nice to see a few more helping out. The goal is simple, put awareness in people's minds (specially on here), that these protests and to "bring down the government" aren't the right things to do and they are dangerous for Pakistan and for its people's lives. Innocents don't have to be killed for some's greed to get the powerful seat. And if they did, what happens the next time? Others would bring their few million to Islamabad and then take over the country? It'll become a civil war and the country would break; or it'll break financially if the military comes in and the sanctions are applied and default kicks in......