Imran Khan's arrest: Zaman park under attack

[Edevelop]

At the end of the day Pakistani youth are the losers. During the Afghan war they were illiterate and frustrated. Islam was used as a tool to brainwash them. Now we are dealing with another generation which is still illiterate albeit lousy and jealous backed by propoganda and filth from social media to create civil unrest. Fck you Zia ul Haq, Nawaz Sharif, Pervez Musharraf, Asif Zardari and Imran Khan. You ruined our nation.

 

[villageidiot]

At the end of the day Pakistani youth are the losers. During the Afghan war they were illiterate and frustrated. Islam was used as a tool to brainwash them. Now we are dealing with another generation which is still illiterate albeit lousy and jealous backed by propoganda and filth from social media to create civil unrest. Fck you Zia ul Haq, Nawaz Sharif, Pervez Musharraf, Asif Zardari and Imran Khan. You ruined our nation.

Imran khan wouldn't be anything more than a glorified playboy/cricketer if the aforementioned curses weren't unleashed on this poor nation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1636053123402801153

 

[ziaulislam]

.,.,
Parindon ko theek tarah urna bhi Mian sahab ne sikhaaya tha...

 

[villageidiot]

Shukar he ye bhi jaag gye. Now they should also stay in place and not go back.
Now is the chance to vindicate yourself.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1636033252619165698

@DESERT FIGHTER , wakeel sb, you can absolve yourself of your insolence towards the Great Khan too. Now's your chance. Get to zaman park.

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng its true this region has more brawn than brains

Not even that, really. Have you ever seen the matchsticks-for-legs of Pakistani hockey players against any European team?

Yes, youre bad for People with Low IQ
Not really following that folly of Zaman park,
IK or nt the nation of incomptenet fools will remain the same

That is NMFP, is it?

On topic: What is happening at Zaman Park has to be taken seriously, since it represents the best chance IK has at making his vision for Pakistan come true. It has clearly resonated with a certain section of society. I have expressed my skepticism about his pie-in-the-sky plans many times, but I must be fair in assessing evidence as it presents itself. If he can show widespread support among the masses, and is able to convert that support into a real majority in the legislatures, not just a manufactured one like last time, then we yet get to the first steps towards a meaningful change. If not, then y'all can go back to sleep, and I will just go out for a long motorcycle ride.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Everybody learns at their own pace, but learn they all will, willingly or not. Reality is a relentless teacher.​

Actually, IK is probably the only bloody civilian that's managed to do as much to challenge the writ of the state and hegemony of the establishment.

Sure, some cost will eventually be extracted from him, be it self-inflicted even, but it's not hard to envisage the following turn of events:

1. Government backs off and/or goes home - frankly they have no credibility left anyway, politically, economically, even basic writ of the state is gone​
2. Elections happen and IK wins by a clear majority - polls can be inaccurate, but the margin of lead here is significant enough for it to be comfortable for IK.​
3. PTI majority forms government without any coalition.​
4. A new government and via the President, pending cases begin to become unwound under the discretionary powers of CJP Bandial, he's here till mid-September. The government can also quickly push through bills to grant immunities and legislate against pending cases in courts against IK.​
5. With no pending cases, with the establishment already on the backfoot, opposition in for a prolonged period of roughhousing, IK sets his sights on the GHQ.​
6. Could Hafiz sb become the next Jahangir Karamat? Hard to say, but might not be necessary. The government theoretically has the power to control the ISI, it may be enough for IK to bring back Faiz Hameed out of retirement and remove the current ISI Chief.​

A lot of stars need to align, and even then the end (eventual and long-term) may not be pretty, but this sequence of events is a possibility. Even if a few on the list are achieved it's a big win for Imran and a massive relegation of status for the army.

And let's also remember, the establishment's preferred method of dealing with political nuisances in the modern day is to either embolden other politicians to do their dirty work, or to conduct heavy handed and long-term political engineering. The former is currently failing, the latter would be pitted against a decade worth of momentum of their equal and opposite efforts in recent history, and the days of doing coups are over - you have no strategic value to anyone, if you coup, you become a pariah like no other, not to mention the fact that the political cost will be higher than the good old days of narrative control via PTV.

 

[VCheng]

Actually, IK is probably the only bloody civilian that's managed to do as much to challenge the writ of the state and hegemony of the establishment.

Sure, some cost will eventually be extracted from him, be it self-inflicted even, but it's not hard to envisage the following turn of events:

1. Government backs off and/or goes home - frankly they have no credibility left anyway, politically, economically, even basic writ of the state is gone​
2. Elections happen and IK wins by a clear majority - polls can be inaccurate, but the margin of lead here is significant enough for it to be comfortable for IK.​
3. PTI majority forms government without any coalition.​
4. A new government and via the President, pending cases begin to become unwound under the discretionary powers of CJP Bandial, he's here till mid-September. The government can also quickly push through bills to grant immunities and legislate against pending cases in courts against IK.​
5. With no pending cases, with the establishment already on the backfoot, opposition in for a prolonged period of roughhousing, IK sets his sights on the GHQ.​
6. Could Hafiz sb become the next Jahangir Karamat? Hard to say, but might not be necessary. The government theoretically has the power to control the ISI, it may be enough for IK to bring back Faiz Hameed out of retirement and remove the current ISI Chief.​

A lot of stars need to align, and even then the end (eventual and long-term) may not be pretty, but this sequence of events is a possibility. Even if a few on the list are achieved it's a big win for Imran and a massive relegation of status for the army.

And let's also remember, the establishment's preferred method of dealing with political nuisances in the modern day is to either embolden other politicians to do their dirty work, or to conduct heavy handed and long-term political engineering. The former is currently failing, the latter would be pitted against a decade worth of momentum of their equal and opposite efforts in recent history, and the days of doing coups are over - you have no strategic value to anyone, if you coup, you become a pariah like no other, not to mention the fact that the political cost will be higher than the good old days of narrative control via PTV.

Great post, please see my post above as well.

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

If I was on the army side, I'd just send in a few tanks and some cobras for backup, armed with hellfire missles. Seeing a tank would naturally disburse most ppl. The cobras or Apaches in the air would also provide a shock effect. Just trying to see this from a tactical lens.

 

[Maula Jatt]

If I was on the army side, I'd just send in a few tanks and some cobras for backup, armed with hellfire missles. Seeing a tank would naturally disburse most ppl. The cobras or Apaches in the air would also provide a shock effect. Just trying to see this from a tactical lens.

that's why you shouldn't be in the army lol

 

[Imran Khan]

Imran khan wouldn't be anything more than a glorified playboy/cricketer if the aforementioned curses weren't unleashed on this poor nation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1636053123402801153

جی بی والے اتنے نائس لوگ ہوتے ہیں انکو بھی غصہ دلا دیا کمپنی نے اپنی حرامزدگیوں سے

 

[SQ8]

just want to add that in lieu of plots, the US military members get housing and other allowance that are tax free. They depend on your family size, living area zip code etc. for me, living in Northern Virginia, it’s currently at $2400 ish a month tax free, only the salaries are tax. No taxes when we deploy.

They do - but the key I want to emphasize is that those aren’t equivalent to how Pakistani officers and enlisted are compensated but also the growth in compensation tends to have a steeper curve in Pakistan.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

If I was on the army side, I'd just send in a few tanks and some cobras for backup, armed with hellfire missles. Seeing a tank would naturally disburse most ppl. The cobras or Apaches in the air would also provide a shock effect. Just trying to see this from a tactical lens.

In short
You are just trying to imagine how to become the worst scumbag on Earth.

 

[Goenitz]

PDm situation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635825951786381312

 

[SQ8]

I understand, it comes with the job. But, the question is, what can be done here to ensure that soldiers are ordered to march into TTP held villages and not into citizens they are supposed to protect.

Any threat to the generals' fiefdom is crushed.

It all depends upon education, exposure and so on. There were soldiers and officers who objected to orders in 71, there were those that did it but kept repeating “these are orders” and there are those that didn’t care either way. No way to tell the percentage of that today either.

Say what you will about Americans' treatment of others, but they didn't treat their soldiers like cannon fodder. They'd kill 100 arabs/afghans civilians than let one of their own die. Israel raises hell when their soldiers are even held hostage.

Ye beghairati hamare me hi he.

That is called protecting national versus personal interests - the US has had its shares of misteps in Vietnam and Afghanistan but by far and large heads do roll if troops are led to deaths and accountability is provided to civilian structures - so far no audit has ever come out for 65, 71, Siachen, Kargil or WoT - internal ones are “Wallaho alam”

 

[Sugarcane]

Actually, IK is probably the only bloody civilian that's managed to do as much to challenge the writ of the state and hegemony of the establishment.

Sure, some cost will eventually be extracted from him, be it self-inflicted even, but it's not hard to envisage the following turn of events:

1. Government backs off and/or goes home - frankly they have no credibility left anyway, politically, economically, even basic writ of the state is gone​
2. Elections happen and IK wins by a clear majority - polls can be inaccurate, but the margin of lead here is significant enough for it to be comfortable for IK.​
3. PTI majority forms government without any coalition.​
4. A new government and via the President, pending cases begin to become unwound under the discretionary powers of CJP Bandial, he's here till mid-September. The government can also quickly push through bills to grant immunities and legislate against pending cases in courts against IK.​
5. With no pending cases, with the establishment already on the backfoot, opposition in for a prolonged period of roughhousing, IK sets his sights on the GHQ.​
6. Could Hafiz sb become the next Jahangir Karamat? Hard to say, but might not be necessary. The government theoretically has the power to control the ISI, it may be enough for IK to bring back Faiz Hameed out of retirement and remove the current ISI Chief.​

A lot of stars need to align, and even then the end (eventual and long-term) may not be pretty, but this sequence of events is a possibility. Even if a few on the list are achieved it's a big win for Imran and a massive relegation of status for the army.

And let's also remember, the establishment's preferred method of dealing with political nuisances in the modern day is to either embolden other politicians to do their dirty work, or to conduct heavy handed and long-term political engineering. The former is currently failing, the latter would be pitted against a decade worth of momentum of their equal and opposite efforts in recent history, and the days of doing coups are over - you have no strategic value to anyone, if you coup, you become a pariah like no other, not to mention the fact that the political cost will be higher than the good old days of narrative control via PTV.

ISI needs to be separated from Military, they already have MI. ISI shouldn't be headed by any serving general, nor any serving military person should be in it. If someone is interested, his/her service from military should be terminated and recruited in ISI. ISI should be focused on protecting national interests overseas and shouldn't be allowed to interfere internally in any domain. For in land security and counter intelligence, empower and improve other agencies built for it.