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Imran Khan WTF Happened?

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PTI had no chance of winning the elections to form a government. despite bringing in electable, spending untold amount of money it couldn't form simple majority. so establishment had to convince regional parties to favor PTI. right from the word go I knew that Imran Khan's social media popularity was not enough to convert into votes and he admitted himself at the gates of Bani Gala when he flatly refsed to listen to with party workers that he knows what he is doing and its essential that the party tickets are given to electable who had changed many parties before and had a checkered past.

I myself was aware of that and considered it business as usual, justifying that Imran will clean all of it because he himself is clean. Imran had no chance to come to power given how deep the Noon league and PPP political influence is in the system and people are used to seeing this party in power for over 30 years. so the only way to win was that the elections were engineered in his favor.
yes he got my vote and vote of many idealist people who were dreaming a PPP/ Noon league free democratic Pakistan. but sadly these people are now spitting blood and tears over the "treachery of army" but his political capital was never ever enough to even to get simple majority. GHQ pushed the things to PTI favor and it was all acceptable and Halal for us because Noonies and Zardaris are scumbags and ugly and we don't like them.

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now I ask myself why army pulled its hand from him then? I have no satisfactory answer I have some plausible answers.

Sack of hay as CM Punjab
he installed Buzdar as CM for the most important province of Pakistan despite the advice of GHQ and his allies & benefactors. Manikas benefited financially and ran the province with the help of Buzdar who happens to be the disciple of Imran's current wife. his removal was too late and didnt save Imran.

Mega corruption and blunders in projects
Peshawar BRT, Billion tree Tsunami, Malam Jabba ski resort project gave rise to stories of embezzlement and mismanagement of funds and false claims. I am ignoring stories about Zulfy Bukhari, Tosha Khana, Farah Gogi because they are not significant (or I am not aware of their materiality).

Stagnation of CPEC
CPEC and associated projects were put on back burner due to government indecision, unnecessary delays, red tape and cover up (explained below)

Diplomatic suicide
angering Saudis, pissing off Chinese (e.g. but not limited to)lying about a terror attack as a cylinder blast, annoying and embarrassing Turkey and Malaysia. the Saudi Crown prince recalling the Jet he had loaned to Pakistan so that Imran Khan can use it was very low time for KSA/ Pakistan relations. I am not going to include Absolutely not America because it was simply rhetoric because America was not asking for anything and had no need from us after it alredy got our assistance in the safe transit of its personnel from Afghansitan.

TTP appeasement through misplaced pragmatism
suggesting a diplomatic office for TTP, constantly criticizing military operations as (appeasement of Americans) and paying ransom money to TTP at government level. I have personal account from locals in Peshawar and Swat blaming PTI's soft approach and even appeasement of TTP terrorists. granted GHQ shares the blame as well for TTP resurgence but GHQ is not a democratic party but PTI is which got elected through the votes of the people (with a lot of helpful push from "Generals").




the establishment and the PDM is not buying his deadline bluffs and threats of dissolving the assemblies or resignations anymore. now his party has suddenly woken up to the inflation and price hike and plans to make more marches against the federal government as if people were loving the fruits of his good governance in the time of plenty before his ouster. from the GHQ point of view it was a great defeat and embarrassment for the generals that the party they engineered to replace Noon league and PPP fell on its face flat and GHQ had to go back to the same Noon league it punished on behest of PTI sending its leaders out of the country

The establishment unfortunately wields a lot of power, has its say in the administration, has the say in all the aspects of the state but its not all powerful and is willing to work with a political party that is not just going to use it to punish journalists and political opponents but take care of the governance and build country's image through working for people and good diplomacy, if it was not willing to share or give up some of its powers to a democratic party then it would never bother with elections.

Solution?

Imran Khan still holds power in 2 provinces, he still has time to show to the public more than just power shows, sit ins and protest marches. He can show how fortunate KPK people are compared to people in Sindh through some relief and real improvement int he quality of life of the people not just fiery speeches.

so far his strategy has not worked and he has had to give new dates to his march of doom which the PDM has now started mocking. whataboutism wont sell anymore . cursing the establishment will also runout its sell value. while the establishment's people like Sheikh Rashid, Ch Fawad , Pervaiz Khattak and Shah Mehmood Qurashi etc. are still in PTI .. Imran should allow his well wishers to correct his path to self destruction and give a second thought to his past and present actions and most important thing is to change the habit of using establishment to punish his opponents and critics give KPK and Punjab voters something to . cheer on instead of using provincial machinery for his political protests, ditch the habit of all words no action and come up with practical plans to improve quality of life of Pakistanis
 
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Playing the devil’s advocate here.

Imran Khan could not hold his coalition together, and his coalition thought his party could not steer the country out of the quagmire (don’t exactly know what the quagmire was but yes lets go along with it) and he lost the VoNC fair and square.

No role of military establishment whatsoever, apolitical.

The country being ruled by Shahbaz Sharif and his team. The team consisting of Dar and others, had false charges and they’re rightly exonerated. Nawaz will hopefully come back when the courts gives him a clean chit.

The problem here is, the majority of the public (outside of PDF) is not buying this.

Why is that the case?
 
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Because that is not enough to form the landslide majority government IK wants or even a majority in general. The establishment had to manipulate the 2018 elections in Karachi, areas of PML(N) strongholds and then get PTI allies as well.

The ECP during general elections is fraught with manipulation/ bribery and so on which had to be kept down.


I think IK made idiotic calls and has his balls squeezed by his Mellisandre Jinn feeding Mrs but please

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In 3 years the clown was in opposition mode while sitting in govt. He has been making riyast e podina.
In the last 4 years, all he has is:

Yeh corrupt woh corrupt
Riyast e podina
Long march kar loon
Jo karwa raha ha america karwa raha ha
Mein tou chutiya tha, chutiya banta gaya aur banata gaya
Politically revenge

Nothing on economy
Nothing on IR

Repeat.
 
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No role of military establishment whatsoever, apolitical.

I used to think on the same lines but then a sarkari mulazim's press conference about how rupee is getting stable in the pdm govt came as a reality Check .


Its funny how some people deliberately want to keep the nation preocupoied with bickering over the extent of fault/s the former regime and the employees reporting to it were at . But nobody seems to be giving attention to the core issues like when is the military going to stop taking over the jobs and resources meant for the civies. Give us a time line as to when are the generals leaving lets say wapda in favour of an engineer ?
 
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I used to think on the same lines but then a sarkari mulazim's press conference about how rupee is getting stable in the pdm govt came as a reality Check .


Its funny how some people deliberately want to keep the nation preocupoied with bickering over the extent of fault/s the former regime and the employees reporting to it were at . But nobody seems to be giving attention to the core issues like when is the military going to stop taking over the jobs and resources meant for the civies. Give us a time line as to when are the generals leaving lets say wapda in favour of an engineer ?
I concur.

I really don’t care about Imran Khan. He was better than the other rot, surely, but at 70, his job is done. He has done reasonably well and made many stupid moves along the way, but who doesn’t.

What I am at ease with myself is, the nation has woken up (comparatively) and has seen the real face of the establishment. This was one of the major reason why institutions were not maturing enough in what we expect of a democracy. No holy cows anymore. The establishment reputation is same that of judiciary or parliamentarian. This opens up avenue for accountability and most likely a stronger Pakistan.
 
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Because that is not enough to form the landslide majority government IK wants or even a majority in general. The establishment had to manipulate the 2018 elections in Karachi, areas of PML(N) strongholds and then get PTI allies as well.

The ECP during general elections is fraught with manipulation/ bribery and so on which had to be kept down.

All independent surveys have PTI winning a significant majority in Punjab as of right now.

Hence PDM wanting to delay the election. This is not even an opinion but a fact.

Although I can agree with IK having outdated thoughts about using ISI for stopping corruption. He does have an authoritarian streak in him.
 
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Thinking elections will solve Pakistan’s issue is the biggest mistake someone can make. Had that been the case then Pakistan wouldn’t have suffered what it did for the past 75 years.
You don’t just put a bandage on an infected wound and hope it will heal.
 
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You can’t blame them, civil sector isn’t able to fulfill military financial and supply chain demands.

We may not like what you said but its a fact. How can a poor nation like Pakistan afford high tech military equipment? The civilian government is certainly not going to buy for them, the armed forces have turned Pakistan in to a military state, just like MIC controls the USA. Same ideas copied from their role models.

Thinking elections will solve Pakistan’s issue is the biggest mistake someone can make. Had that been the case then Pakistan wouldn’t have suffered what it did for the past 75 years.
You don’t just put a bandage on an infected wound and hope it will heal.

At the moment they're making noise about holding an election but after the elections the political parties will make noise about rigging. A cycle continues.
 
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We may not like what you said but its a fact. How can a poor nation like Pakistan afford high tech military equipment? The civilian government is certainly not going to buy for them, the armed forces have turned Pakistan in to a military state, just like MIC controls the USA. Same ideas copied from their role models.



At the moment they're making noise about holding an election but after the elections the political parties will make noise about rigging. A cycle continues.
Question is, why Pakistan is poor?

Funding basic human needs and defense is not optional. Can’t just cut funding from one side or another.
 
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No political leader will or can save us, all capitalize on the slave mentality of us as a whole. Unless we start reducing government intervention somehow and get rid of this mentality we cant change

No political leader will or can save us, all capitalize on the slave mentality of us as a whole. Unless we start reducing government intervention somehow and get rid of this mentality we cant change
 
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Playing the devil’s advocate here.

Imran Khan could not hold his coalition together, and his coalition thought his party could not steer the country out of the quagmire (don’t exactly know what the quagmire was but yes lets go along with it) and he lost the VoNC fair and square.

No role of military establishment whatsoever, apolitical.

The country being ruled by Shahbaz Sharif and his team. The team consisting of Dar and others, had false charges and they’re rightly exonerated. Nawaz will hopefully come back when the courts gives him a clean chit.

The problem here is, the majority of the public (outside of PDF) is not buying this.

Why is that the case?

The public know very well who the corrupt are but they mostly vote for the local leaders, and the reason they do is because of the benefits they get. Now the local leaders will obviously join that party which will give them the most money, party ticket or relatives will get big contracts. Sometimes a person wants to stand up for elections on a pti seat but he doesn't get the ticket so he will join PmlN or PPP or its the other way around.

This is the sad reality of Pakistan politics. We don't follow an ideology but follow baradari politics and benefit politics, the awaam is corrupt to the core so they're chosen leadership is also corrupt.
 
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PTI’s accountability drive was perfectly valid. The NAB was doing an OK job, and isn’t that the job of the institution to apprehend the corrupts.

Where Imran Khan was stupid was to fall into the opposition trap. He should have just kept shut at the opposition claiming PTI doing a witch hunt, and let the NAB do its job. In muddling the waters with the opposition he dirtied the accountability drive. Combination of stupidity and not staying silent.

A simple answer, NAB is an independent institution and it’s job is to apprehend the corrupt. Done.
 
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Go and tell all those workers who are unemployed now due to industries shutting down that it is because of IK
 
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In 3 years the clown was in opposition mode while sitting in govt. He has been making riyast e podina.
In the last 4 years, all he has is:

Yeh corrupt woh corrupt
Riyast e podina
Long march kar loon
Jo karwa raha ha america karwa raha ha
Mein tou chutiya tha, chutiya banta gaya aur banata gaya
Politically revenge

Nothing on economy
Nothing on IR

Repeat.
Even if one accepts the “I could not change an entrenched system without total majority “ rhetoric - what about everything else?

No government in Pakistan does election promises but even when engaging in corruption they do it quietly and efficiently while focusing on alternative issues. While making some useful changes - all IK was doing was stirring the hornets nest and instead of tackling a few issues at a time through good management tried to rock the rotten boat and eventually fell off it.

There is a reason why Quaid e Azam did not waste time with theatrical antics and focused on getting Pakistan through the system of the British.

They came off a high even after COVID a little but by July 2021 there was the anti PTI sentiment in full swing
 
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No government in Pakistan does election promises but even when engaging in corruption they do it quietly and efficiently while focusing on alternative issues. While making some useful changes - all IK was doing was stirring the hornets nest and instead of tackling a few issues at a time through good management tried to rock the rotten boat and eventually fell off it.

It is far more important to look ahead: simply parroting a demand for immediate elections will do nothing to produce coherent and effective policies, just like before, and IK has clearly shown that he cannot survive without the military's support, which makes his burning all bridges with them a virtual guarantee of his political fate. Unless he makes another U-turn on this, of course.
 
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