Imran Khan: If India takes one step to improve ties, Pakistan will take two steps

[Jackdaws]

And your'e not invade the free state against the will of Kashmiri peoples @Jackdaws google yourself and read the history of independence @Jackdaws and DOGRA RAG is already in indian side so how can we talk with him because he had sympathy toward india @Jackdaws

Read up some history. J&K was a free state which you invaded. Indian forces only entered after its accession to the Indian Union.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Read up some history. J&K was a free state which you invaded. Indian forces only entered after its accession to the Indian Union.

Do you have a comprehension problem @Jackdaws Tribes of Kashmir were calling PA for help before accession to india because they know Dogra RAJ was joining india sooner or later, remember Kashmir was/is the Muslim state & Mahraja was not Muslim they know Maharaja had a sympathy toward india, That why they called PA to intervene @Jackdaws

 

[Jackdaws]

Do you have a comprehension problem @Jackdaws Tribes of Kashmir were calling PA for help before accession to india because they know Dogra RAJ was joining india sooner or later, remember Kashmir was/is the Muslim state & Mahraja was not Muslim they know Maharaja had a sympathy toward india, That why they called PA to intervene @Jackdaws

Do you have a comprehension problem? It was a free state. Read up the Act of British Parliament which gave freedom to India and Pak as well as ALL Princely States giving their rulers complete freedom to join India / Pak or remain independent. Your country invaded a free state. You can dress it up as you like but this is a historical fact. Pakistan also violated the Standstill Agreement it happily signed with the Maharaja's regime.

 

[TMA]

Do you have a comprehension problem? It was a free state. Read up the Act of British Parliament which gave freedom to India and Pak as well as ALL Princely States giving their rulers complete freedom to join India / Pak or remain independent. Your country invaded a free state. You can dress it up as you like but this is a historical fact. Pakistan also violated the Standstill Agreement it happily signed with the Maharaja's regime.

Was the State of Hyderabad invaded by Bharat then?

Didn't I answer that?
First off, it's geopolitical suicide. How many countries still see Ukraine in the same light after Crimea? The only way separation of Kashmir will be seen as is weakness. Can't afford that can we, not with 2 potential enemies neighboring us.
Then there is the literal consequences of loosing Kashmir. An independent Kashmir will heavily lean towards Pakistan if it doesn't outright join Pakistan. Why would we create another hostile state in our border or increase the existing landmass of our potential enemies?
It would increase the border between Pakistan and China with proximity to us, another no no.

I'm listing the stuff that's coming to my head. More qualified people will probably have better answers.

Well actually an independent Kashmir or a Kashmir that joins Pakistan will end the animosity between Pakistan and Bharat. It would do the opposite instead of create further hostility.

Plus you accept the only reason to keep Kashmir is from a strategic position, and accept that most Kashmiris don't want their country to be part of Bharat?

 

[Haris Mansoor]

It is not in his hands.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1022408681491771392

Exactly, it is not in his hands, because the ball is in Indian court. He mentioned it clearly that it was us who took step for peace and didn't get any positive response.

 

[Corona]

Well actually an independent Kashmir or a Kashmir that joins Pakistan will end the animosity between Pakistan and Bharat. It would do the opposite instead of create further hostility.

Plus you accept the only reason to keep Kashmir is from a strategic position, and accept that most Kashmiris don't want their country to be part of Bharat?

My earlier reply to someone else will fit nicely here.
"Kashmir being the legacy of partition is the reason I'm saying solving Kashmir issue won't change anything between India and Pakistan. They said creating separate nations will solve all our problems, and while partition was inevitable and necessary, it wasn't a magic spell to remove all of our problems. If you really wanna repair ties between India and Pakistan, it's gonna take a lot more effort than Kashmir."

We've been at each others throats for way too long for it to simply disappear when a few border lines are redrawn. The hostilities go way back to even before the partition with religious animosities. Solving the Kashmir issue will only shift the fighting to other avenues.

I accept that Kashmir is of immense strategic importance and that since the 80's, religious extremism has radicalized a section of the population to the extent that reconciliation with them unlikely. Current atmosphere in these sections are anti India.

 

[Jackdaws]

Was the State of Hyderabad invaded by Bharat then?


Well actually an independent Kashmir or a Kashmir that joins Pakistan will end the animosity between Pakistan and Bharat. It would do the opposite instead of create further hostility.

Plus you accept the only reason to keep Kashmir is from a strategic position, and accept that most Kashmiris don't want their country to be part of Bharat?

Yes, the State of Hyderabad was invaded by India. But India took the legally sound route of waiting for the State of Hyderabad to violate the Standstill Agreement. Once the Nizam violated the Standstill Agreement, India was no longer bound by it.
Pakistan did not do that - it invaded Kashmir and it was Pakistan which broke the Standstill Agreement.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So who's arguing with 'the facts' ? I said it is a disputed territory, but our position is we own all of it. Our position on Kashmir against Pakistan is the reason it is disputed.

Kashmir being the legacy of partition is the reason I'm saying solving Kashmir issue won't change anything between India and Pakistan. They said creating separate nations will solve all our problems, and while partition was inevitable and necessary, it wasn't a magic spell to remove all of our problems. If you really wanna repair ties between India and Pakistan, it's gonna take a lot more effort than Kashmir.

I said it is a disputed territory, but our position is we own all of it.

Your current position do not matter as it's neither you or us who will decide the fate of kashmiries. It's they themselves through plebiscite who will decide who they see their future with, Pakistan or India, as agreed by India in UN.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Do you have a comprehension problem? It was a free state. Read up the Act of British Parliament which gave freedom to India and Pak as well as ALL Princely States giving their rulers complete freedom to join India / Pak or remain independent. Your country invaded a free state. You can dress it up as you like but this is a historical fact. Pakistan also violated the Standstill Agreement it happily signed with the Maharaja's regime.

That is i m talking @Jackdaws , you and you British friends gives the rights to all Muslim states in india to decide in which country they wanna live, So why you and your British friends give the damn rights to decide, Kashmir war held in 48, Kashmiris knows that at the time of independence that DOGRA RAJ will illegally Join india, & DOGRA RAJ didn't asked from the Kashmiris to which country they wanna live @Jackdaws thats why we called India illegally occupied Kashmir @Jackdaws

 

[Corona]

I said it is a disputed territory, but our position is we own all of it.

Your current position do not matter as it's neither you or us who will decide the fate of kashmiries. It's they themselves through plebiscite who will decide who they see their future with, Pakistan or India, as agreed by India in UN.

Hate to break it to you, but our current position matters. We base all our decisions on Kashmir around it, all our policies and law regarding Kashmir are also effected by it. Anything that happens in our part of Kashmir is influenced in one way or another by our position. You may not like it or accept it, but that's the way it is.

About who will decide the fate of the Kashmiries, we'll cross that bridge if we ever get to it.

 

[Jackdaws]

That is i m talking @Jackdaws , you and you British friends gives the rights to all Muslim states in india to decide in which country they wanna live, So why you and your British friends give the damn rights to decide, Kashmir war held in 48, Kashmiris knows that at the time of independence that DOGRA RAJ will illegally Join india, & DOGRA RAJ didn't asked from the Kashmiris to which country they wanna live @Jackdaws thats why we called India illegally occupied Kashmir @Jackdaws

The entire post is one long tirade which doesn't make an iota of sense. "You and your British friends" - lol - fancy that coming from a country born from the Muslim League. While Congress leaders were jailed for the fight for freedom, men like Jinnah and Liaquat Ali did not spend a single day in jail - obviously because ML was busy getting cozy with the Brits.
If you had a problem with the Partition Plan which gave the rulers the right to decide which Union to join, why did your leadership accept it? And Jinnah tried his best to get Hindu rulers of Hindu majority Princely States to join Pakistan - like Jodhpur and Jaisalmer. Again, a recorded fact of history that Pakistanis either deliberately ignore or are happy to forget.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The entire post is one long tirade which doesn't make an iota of sense. "You and your British friends" - lol - fancy that coming from a country born from the Muslim League. While Congress leaders were jailed for the fight for freedom, men like Jinnah and Liaquat Ali did not spend a single day in jail - obviously because ML was busy getting cozy with the Brits.
If you had a problem with the Partition Plan which gave the rulers the right to decide which Union to join, why did your leadership accept it? And Jinnah tried his best to get Hindu rulers of Hindu majority Princely States to join Pakistan - like Jodhpur and Jaisalmer. Again, a recorded fact of history that Pakistanis either deliberately ignore or are happy to forget.

what a good conspiracy theory you have you/Hindus are brilliants in twisted Facts of History carry on @Jackdaws
History show the opposite picture in fact @Jackdaws , as for Jodhpor & jaislmer legislative councils agree to join Pakistan because there were Muslim Majority in those legislative counsils @Jackdaws

Keep blabbering without reading a history @Jackdaws

 

[t_for_talli]

shut up and go cry to the western media who clearly is naming and shaming India is the rape capital of the world for women and children.


Pakistan is mentioned no where, India is leading all world rape charts. you cant spin this into oh pakistan is worse, the world is slapping you indians in the face for rape not us.

there should be age/ iQ filter in PDF

Do you have a comprehension problem @Jackdaws Tribes of Kashmir were calling PA for help before accession to india because they know Dogra RAJ was joining india sooner or later, remember Kashmir was/is the Muslim state & Mahraja was not Muslim they know Maharaja had a sympathy toward india, That why they called PA to intervene @Jackdaws

you have comprehension as well as IQ problem,

British drew borders on areas under their control and there were 500+ princely states

It was job of rulers of India / Pakistan to convince rulers of these states

The Rulers of Bahawalpur, Khairpur, Chitral, Swat, Hunza etc. showed their intent to stay with Pakistan and Rulers of Mysore / States in Rajasthan other parts of India agreed to join India

Raja of Kashmir stayed neutral, He was not ready to join any nation, then in 48 Pakistan Invaded Kashmir, He ran to India for help and agreed to sign a document of accession with India,

 

[Ultima Thule]

Raja of Kashmir stayed neutral, He was not ready to join any nation, then in 48 Pakistan Invaded Kashmir, He ran to India for help and agreed to sign a document of accession with India,

A good conspiracy theory/lie you have yes i agree but Muslim of Kashmir already knows that DOGRA RAJ had sympathy toward india soon will join kashmir to india no matter he stayed neutral or what that why the muslim tribes/people of of Kashmir to librate their land for DOGRA RAJ before it too late @t_for_talli

Ok i have low IQ but don't have IQ at all @t_for_talli

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Hate to break it to you, but our current position matters. We base all our decisions on Kashmir around it, all our policies and law regarding Kashmir are also effected by it. Anything that happens in our part of Kashmir is influenced in one way or another by our position. You may not like it or accept it, but that's the way it is.

About who will decide the fate of the Kashmiries, we'll cross that bridge if we ever get to it.

You are nobody mate, specially when you have already pledged for the plebiscite in Kashmir. Your internal politics do not matter in international power structure and geopolitics.