Probably you are Muslim too,
I am an atheist. Ex Muslim.
what other option do I have to participate in the government process and to make a change, to take weapon against the government? There is saying, "if you don't like a rule, obey it until you have the power to change it.
In Islamic law, Zana is a big sin but حق تلفی "violation of right, depriving one of one's right, perversion of justice"
is bigger sin, and all the opponents of Imran Khan are bigger sinner then him, I didn't chose to vote for him because he is an angle but because he is best available option.
And yes when Sharia Law is implemented, I will call for justice for IK and for my self to.
Ok.
This is just the dirt in the mind of people opposing Taliban, without any solid reason or login behind it. Taliban was just Afghani national, without any regional or global agenda.
Don't agree with you.
Islam is not "Regional", but it has global agenda right from the beginning, and thus lot of states in Asia and Africa were attacked, even if they didn't attack upon Muslims. Just look at the map of Islamic Caliphate in the era of first 4 Caliphs.
Taliban follow the same mindset.
Yes you are right. Why would I hesitate from implementing Sharia law, I wouldn't. and you are right again, I don't have enough power to implement it, else I would have done it long ago. I think Sharia Law is the best option, not only for Pakistan but for all Muslim countries. I am saying all Muslim countries, and without use of force.
You are you. I cannot say any thing about you.
But for sure FORCE is allowed against the non Muslim countries.
Also Taliban in Afghanistan used full Force in order to capture Kabul and then whole Afghanistan. And then they imposed Sharia by force.
Same mentality has Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, who want to impose Sharia by Force.
Again this is false and baseless assumption, I don't see any reason, Taliban would have attacked Pakistan.
It is a very naive thinking.
Tehrik-e-Taliban used full force in Swat and captured it and imposed their Sharia.
And Mullah Fazalullah of Swat got full backing from Mullah Omer for this. That is why when he got defeated, he ran away directly to Afghanistan where Mullah Omer gave him full shelter.
Yes they never disassociated from TTP because they were getting support from TTP, why would a person in need will disassociated himself from a helping hand. They were helping them in management so that TTA can have backup and support when they need some. But still they never acted directly against Pakistan.
I don't know about your knowledge of good and bad Taliban and operation against them, but what I know, I can't share it on public forum.
I would again say that this is very naive thinking.
Afghani Taliban wanted to capture whole Afghanistan by force and impose their Sharia. How could then Afghani Taliban want to have Kufr system in Pakistan and stop Pakistani Taliban to achieve that in Pakistan which they themselves wanted to achieve in Afghanistan?
I am not saying that Musharraf thinks like that, or Taliban wouldn't have destroyed that statue, I think if whole world had recognized Taliban, they still wouldn't be able to stop Taliban from destroying budha's statue, but destroying statue and killing innocent children of APS or killing other innocent men, women and children are two different things and we could have prevented it if we had talked with them.
We talked with Pakistani Taliban enough.
Whole Swat District was handed over to them, even without the consent of the Swat People.
But what did Taliban do?
They started slaughtering people in the Bazars of Swat, in name of their Sharia.
And then they started war in the neighbouring areas.
And then they started to march towards Islamabad.
Only after that, Army was given the order to start operation against them, otherwise only talks were done with them, which brought nothing for the people of Swat, except for destruction and horror.
So here is another lie, Top US official blame Pakistan for creating Taliban, ISI deny it. ISI did helped them gaining control over Afghanistan, but Taliban was not creation of ISI or CIA, or if ISI or CIA had created Taliban, why did Taliban rejected their (Pakistan, America) demands of handing over Lashkar-e-Jhangvi's fighter or Usama.
And for your information, Taliban are not backstabber like Musharraf or America, that back-stabs their friends or guest, and handover them to hostile nations
This is absolutely not a lie.
US wanted the creation of Extremist Sunni State in Afghanistan in order to keep a check on the Shia Iran. And then US wanted to have the Oil Pipelines (from central Asian Countries) going through Afghanistan and not through Iran. That is why, although US didn't recognise Taliban, but still they were openly in talks with Taliban for the Oil pipelines. In US, the American people protested a lot against those talks.
Read about it here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes.../taliban-oil-afghanistan-161004085739050.html
US thought that Sunni State of Afghanistan (i.e. Taliban) would obey them the same way that Saudi Arabia obey them (see the source in wikipedia link that I posted before). But Taliban were different than Saudi Arabia.
The creation of the Taliban was "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," according to Selig Harrison, an expert on U.S. relations with Asia. "The United States encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to support the Taliban, certainly right up to their advance on Kabul," adds respected journalist Ahmed Rashid.
When the Taliban took power, State Department spokesperson Glyn Davies said that he saw "nothing objectionable" in the Taliban's plans to impose strict Islamic law, and Senator Hank Brown, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on the Near East and South Asia, welcomed the new regime: "The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at last seems capable of developing a new government in Afghanistan." "The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis. There will be Aramco [the consortium of oil companies that controlled Saudi oil], pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that," said another U.S. diplomat in 1997.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Af...A_Taliban.html
مگر امریکی حکام کو اس معاملے میں شدید غلطی ہوئی۔ 1994 میں طالبان قندھار وغیرہ پر قبضہ کر چکے تھے اور پھر 1996 میں کابل پر بھی قبضہ کر چکے تھے۔ اس کے بعد انہوں نے اسلام کو وہ ورژن نافذ کیا جو کہ سعودی ورژن کے اسلام سے کہیں شدید تر تھا اور انہوں نے جو خواتین وغیرہ کے ساتھ سلوک کیا اسکے بعد امریکہ کی کلنٹن ایڈمینسٹریشں کے لیے ممکن نہیں تھا کہ 1996 میں اقوام متحدہ میں انہیں بنا تنقید کے قبول کر سکیں۔
فرانس کے سفیر کی گواہی کہ طالبان بنانے میں امریکی سی آئی اے ملوث تھی
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زرداری کی گواہی کہ سی آئی اے طالبان کی پیدائش میں ملوث تھی
طالبان کی پیدائش بینظیر حکومت کے دور میں ہوئی۔ پیپلز پارٹی بذات خود تو سیکولر جماعت ہے، مگر افسوس کہ اسکی قیادت میں دم خم ہی نہیں کہ وہ امریکی مطالبات کو رد کر سکے۔ اسی لیے آپ کو یاد ہو گا کہ بینظیر کو "مادر طالبان" کا خطاب بھی دیا گیا تھا۔ اسی بینظیر کے شوہر آصف زرداری صاحب کی گواہی دیکھئیے:
zardari tells american press that the cia and pakistan's isi together created the taliban
washington, may 11 (pti) in a new revelation, pakistan president asif ali zardari has said that the cia of the united states and his country's isi together created the taliban.
"i think it was part of your past and our past, and the isi and cia created them together," zardari told the nbc news channel in an interview.
In the interview, which was given to the nbc on may 7, zardari also accused the us of supporting the military rule of pervez musharraf who was alleged to be taking sides of the taliban.
He disagreed with the popular belief in the us that the pakistan military and intelligence services still have sympathies for the taliban.
"i think general musharraf may have had a mindset to run head and hand with the hound but certainly not on our watch. We don't have a tough process at all," zardari said.
Asked about the influential role of the pakistan army, zardari said he is in control of everything in the country, including the military.
"the parliament has final say. It's the parliament form of government, and i am a product of the parliament," he said.
Earlier, zardari in an another interview had said that india was not a "threat" to his country and that pakistan had moved some of its forces from its indian border to western frontier to eliminate taliban in its tribal belt.
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وزیر اطلاعات قمر الزمان کائرہ صاحب کی گواہی
طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ، قمر الزمان کائرہ
پاک فوج شدت پسندوں کیخلاف بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے ، دنیا میں امن پاکستان میں امن سے مشروط ہے ، نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب
نیویارک۔۔۔۔ وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات ونشریات قمر زمان کائرہ نے کہا ہے کہ طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ایک لاکھ بیس ہزار فوج شرپسندوں کیخلاف جنگ بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے وہ نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب کررہے تھے وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات نے کہا کہ پاکستان اس وقت عالمی جنگ کا میدان بنا ہوا ہے پاکستان میں امن قائم ہوگا تو دنیا میں بھی ہوگا انہوں نے کہا کہ طالبان امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں سی آئی اے کے سربراہ افغانستان پر روسی حملے کے دور میں پاکستان آکر جہاد کی اہمیت پر لیکچر دیا کرتے تھے انہوں نے کہا کہ پاکستانی دینی مدارس کے حوالے سے پائے جانے والے تحفظات کا مقابلہ جدید سکولوں سے کیا جاسکتا ہے اس حوالے سے اصلاحات کی بھی ضرورت ہے جبکہ امریکہ سے بھی مدد مانگی ہے
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Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban
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During the House Committee on Foreign Affairs discussion recently. Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban.
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Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban��Rohrabacher
If this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb. Mr. Karzai�s elder brother was a Taliban and both used to live in Quetta Pakistan. Part of his family still lives there. Mr. Hamid Kiimself is a self-professed Taliban who was proposed as the UN Ambassador of the Taliban government. During this days as a Conoco representative Mr. Karzai reportedly received lots of money from Enron and Conocoto get the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline off the ground.Dana Rohrabacher is Congressman for 46th congressional district. The 46th district includes the whole of the Palos Verdes Peninsula, Costa Mesa, Fountain Valley, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, andAvalon on the island of Catalina. Also included are parts of Long Beach, San Pedro, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, and Westminster. Rohrabacher has accepted money from Jack Abramoff. He is pictured here with the Taliban.
Specifically, for the CIA, which effectively trained and funded the Mujahideen back in the 80s, the genie is now out of the bottle and is haunting them. The Americans and their intelligence establishment are reaping the whirlwind of a terrible and deadly legacy they had once sown in the hope that it would not affect them. In a phenomenon that is fast becoming a trend in Afghanistan, a sympathiser from the Afghan army carried out the attack. It would definitely add to NATO�s worry because it is the Afghan army personnel, who provide security to the foreign armies. This also shows the general hatred towards the US and its cohorts in Afghanistan. It is not just a particular group like the Taliban who want the Americans out but the ordinary Afghans as well who loathe their very presence. Shireen Mazari writing in the The Nation.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...A-under-attack
US spent 3 Billion USD for Taliban during 1994-1996
Sy Hersch as well as George Crieldiscussed the CIA connection at length The Talibaanwere a construct of the CIA! See Congressional records and visits to Texas ranches.
�In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban �monster� by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.� Times of India, March 7, 2001
Though Mr. Haqqani is much hated by the current White House and wants him killed, previous White House under President Reagan invited him and praised him. This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000.
This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000. The Taliban also visited Governor Bush�s ranch in Texas.
CNN CROSSFIRE: Aired September 10, 2002 � 19:00 ET
Have U.S. Efforts in Afghanistan Been Successful if bin Laden is Alive?; Will Fingerprints Stop Terrorists From Entering the Country?
MCDERMOTT: It certainly is an improvement for the women of Afghanistan. But you�ve got to remember that of American policy, we put the Taliban there. We gave the money to the..CARLSON: I beg your pardon?MCDERMOTT: � Pakistanis.CARLSON: You�re breaking news here, Congressman. I don�t think this has ever been reported before in the United States.MCDERMOTT: Oh, yes, it has been. We funded the Taliban through the Pakistanis, and all that money � we could have cut off that money and stopped what was going on. We knew what was going on there.http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/10/cf.00.html
