Imran Farooq murder case: MQM’s London office raided, reports BBC

[truthseer]

Do you understand the difference between questioning on "Political views from a politician" Vs. questioning in "murder investigation from suspect criminals".

Taliban murdered more people

 

[Thorough Pro]

Taliban murdered more people

"more" Is this your defence line now? if you consider all the killings in Karachi since 1985, that would put Taliban to shame.......

 

[W.11]

"more" Is this your defence line now? if you consider all the killings in Karachi since 1985, that would put Taliban to shame.......

do you support army operation on MQM in the 90s?

 

[SQ8]

"more" Is this your defence line now? if you consider all the killings in Karachi since 1985, that would put Taliban to shame.......

Have they all been by the MQM?
Did the MQM murder its own people along with every other person.
Were the hundreds of deaths due to random firings by people at parties, deaths in robberies all are the doing of the MQM?
Is the introduction of the gun into the streets of Karachi by the Bus Driver's Majority nationality.. the Land Mafia's Majority Nationality then.. the fault of the MQM?

The MQM has done terrible things.. but this is the Rio of South Asia.. and there are many more drug lords out there..
or is it perhaps easier to pick on the minority ethnic community easier for those that would have been red-shirts and Congressiates had it it not been for the efforts of the community that made up the MQM?

 

[The Green1]

Bhai logon ki bajnay wali hai. guns and armour piercing bullets getting ready.

 

[A.Rafay]

Have they all been by the MQM?
Did the MQM murder its own people along with every other person.
Were the hundreds of deaths due to random firings by people at parties, deaths in robberies all are the doing of the MQM?
Is the introduction of the gun into the streets of Karachi by the Bus Driver's Majority nationality.. the Land Mafia's Majority Nationality then.. the fault of the MQM?

The MQM has done terrible things.. but this is the Rio of South Asia.. and there are many more drug lords out there..
or is it perhaps easier to pick on the minority ethnic community easier for those that would have been red-shirts and Congressiates had it it not been for the efforts of the community that made up the MQM?

Azeem tariq was there own party member, they killed him because he discovered their dirty secrets and became a wall in their way same goes for imran farooq.

 

[Porus]

or is it perhaps easier to pick on the minority ethnic community easier for those that would have been red-shirts and Congressiates had it it not been for the efforts of the community that made up the MQM?

After waging turf wars against every ethnic minority in urban Sindh the Ghazis of the clown of Azizabad take out the century old card of victimhood (that has actually already expired in 1947). Do these guys have any shame? Who make up the majority in urban Sindh? The former red-shirts and the followers of INC*, or the lackeys of British Colonialists? There are many government reports that solely blame MQM for the violence in Karachi (Official report blames MQM militants for target killings). Why so much hate against Pashtuns? Maybe because unlike Sindhis and Punjabis they don't run away and take revenge for all injustice done to their people.

*Some delusional fools still think that being a follower of these great political parties and movements will be some sort of insult for their workers and leaders. You would still be the slaves of British if the brave people like the red shirts had not shed their blood to free their lands from the yoke of British colonialists. You need to re-read k.K Azis's "Murder of History" so you know what you are talking about the next time you open your mouth.

 

[SQ8]

After waging turf wars against every ethnic minority in urban Sindh the Ghazis of the clown of Azizabad take out the century old card of victimhood (that has actually already expired in 1947). Do these guys have any shame? Who make up the majority in urban Sindh? The former red-shirts and the followers of INC*, or the lackeys of British Colonialists? There are many government reports that solely blame MQM for the violence in Karachi (Official report blames MQM militants for target killings). Why so much hate against Pashtuns? Maybe because unlike Sindhis and Punjabis they don't run away and take revenge for all injustice done to their people.

*Some delusional fools still think that being a follower of these great political parties and movements will be some sort of insult for their workers and leaders. You would still be the slaves of British if the brave people like the red shirts had not shed their blood to free their lands from the yoke of British colonialists. You need to re-read k.K Azis's "Murder of History" so you know what you are talking about the next time you open your mouth.

I have the book right here, please refer to the parts in question?
Because as far as I have concerned.. the critiques of MQM(not unjustified) are almost always racially motivated.. and look, you yourself answered your call by going even further with it.
Moreover, what injustice? Please quantify?
Did they lose a province? After all, there was little in terms of the MQM in Karachi where Everybody was generally co-existant until Gohar Ayub's effort to Pashtunize the area with criminals from FATA.. not even the educated class. Criminals.
Sloagans of "Pan ka zamana gaya, Naswar ka zamana aya" is what came up.

For all records of History show.. that the red shirts were fiercely opposed to Pakistan.
Oh there were undeniable resistance against the Lord Saab.. but then Gandhi ji was a better role model than any affiliation with M.A Jinnah. Stop playing the card of racial superiority.. that expired back in 1947 too.

 

[W.11]

@Porus is as degenrate as @somebozo, these guys should be kicked from karachi to arabian sea

go back to gujrat @Porus, narinder modi is waiting for your head

 

[Thorough Pro]

do you support army operation on MQM in the 90s?

No! When you state "Army's action on MQM" you forget that Army was just complying with the orders issued by political leadership of PPP, MQM's coalition partners. IF MQM is against that Army action, then they should not form coalitions with PPP instead of using that action to malign PA.

 

[W.11]

No! When you state "Army's action on MQM" you forget that Army was just complying with the orders issued by political leadership of PPP, MQM's coalition partners. IF MQM is against that Army action, then they should not form coalitions with PPP instead of using that action to malign PA.

it was not PPP it was PMLN

 

[Thorough Pro]

Have they all been by the MQM?

Don't mix up accidental deaths with politically/racially motivated murders. MQM is responsible for 90% of all politically and raciallymotivated murders. Don't ask to provide a link for that percentage.

Did the MQM murder its own people along with every other person.

Yes! Most of them. When you send out you terrorists to kill others, be ready for the others to retaliate. Retaliatory killings are also directly attributable to MQM's actions and thus Yes,they are responsible.

Were the hundreds of deaths due to random firings by people at parties, deaths in robberies all are the doing of the MQM?

As I said earlier, don't mix up two different things.

Is the introduction of the gun into the streets of Karachi by the Bus Driver's Majority nationality.. the Land Mafia's Majority Nationality then.. the fault of the MQM?

You are being racist here. Guns have always been part of Pushtun culture, even if they had them, it did not cause any lawlessness and dindiscriminate killings that we saw after MQM's rise. Now looking at millions of illegal weapons in my urde speaking community, which was traditionally avert from such things, now this is called spread of illegal weapons by MQM.

The MQM has done terrible things.. but this is the Rio of South Asia.. and there are many more drug lords out there..

Agreed.

or is it perhaps easier to pick on the minority ethnic community easier for those that would have been red-shirts and Congressiates had it it not been for the efforts of the community that made up the MQM?

First off, I am an urdu speaking myself, born, raised, educated, employed, married, and most probably will be burried in Karachi too. Popint out where did Imention any minority, I talked about MQM,which claims to be a political party and thus any reference to MQM should not automatically be interpretted as a reference to Muhajir/Urdu speaking community.

Why I am so anti MQM, cause I have seen much and I have a conscience which refuses to accept injustice, crime, murder in the name of ethinicity.

 

[SQ8]

Don't mix up accidental deaths with politically/racially motivated murders. MQM is responsible for 90% of all politically and raciallymotivated murders. Don't ask to provide a link for that percentage.



Yes! Most of them. When you send out you terrorists to kill others, be ready for the others to retaliate. Retaliatory killings are also directly attributable to MQM's actions and thus Yes,they are responsible.



As I said earlier, don't mix up two different things.



You are being racist here. Guns have always been part of Pushtun culture, even if they had them, it did not cause any lawlessness and dindiscriminate killings that we saw after MQM's rise. Now looking at millions of illegal weapons in my urde speaking community, which was traditionally avert from such things, now this is called spread of illegal weapons by MQM.



Agreed.


First off, I am an urdu speaking myself, born, raised, educated, employed, married, and most probably will be burried in Karachi too. Popint out where did Imention any minority, I talked about MQM,which claims to be a political party and thus any reference to MQM should not automatically be interpretted as a reference to Muhajir/Urdu speaking community.

Why I am so anti MQM, cause I have seen much and I have a conscience which refuses to accept injustice, crime, murder in the name of ethinicity.

Two different gun uses, one is carried within the NWFP.. one is carried within an urban area for land grabbing purposes.
The issue is not with Pashtuns, nor Urdu-speakers.. but with the politicization of ethnicity and calling it by any other name.
I do not support the MQM.. but do not blame it solely for the ethnic card.
The ANP plays it, the PPP plays it..

However, only the MQM is being pointed out as the one playing it at this stage.. I wonder why.

So while you may as I will be born ,bred and buried in Karachi..
Try stepping out of Karachi and being labelled Urdu-Speaker, Mohajir .. or Indian.. and you will see why I have a soft corner for the MQM.
This country is NO longer a nation, its a state that is crumbling.. and will end in the near future.. unless a nation is formed.
Unlikely with the level of arguments here on race and ethnicity in political parties.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Two different gun uses, one is carried within the NWFP.. one is carried within an urban area for land grabbing purposes.
The issue is not with Pashtuns, nor Urdu-speakers.. but with the politicization of ethnicity and calling it by any other name.
I do not support the MQM.. but do not blame it solely for the ethnic card.
The ANP plays it, the PPP plays it..

However, only the MQM is being pointed out as the one playing it at this stage.. I wonder why.

So while you may as I will be born ,bred and buried in Karachi..
Try stepping out of Karachi and being labelled Urdu-Speaker, Mohajir .. or Indian.. and you will see why I have a soft corner for the MQM.
This country is NO longer a nation, its a state that is crumbling.. and will end in the near future.. unless a nation is formed.
Unlikely with the level of arguments here on race and ethnicity in political parties.

Agreed, all political parties use ethenic card, but they mostly do it to secure votes, on the other hand MQM was originally formed as an ethenic party and it used that ethenic card to start violence against other communities and in their first goagainst Pushtuns, thousands of innocent hard working pushtun labourers/workers were burned alive, their shops and homes were burned. You never forget the cries of a man burned alive and you never forgive the people who introduced violence of dark ages in modern peaceful society. No matter how much people deny that, this is the real fact.


For the other point, I have visited and stayed in many cities of the three remaining provinces either for some course/training or short-term deployment but never experienced a single incident of being labeled as "indian". Contrary to that I found a huge population of urdu speaking community living peacefully in Quetta, Multan, Lahore, and various other cities. No one burns their shops like MQM burned even the tea stalls operated by Pathans from their majority areas.

And trust me, MQM has harmed Karachi and its citizens by all this violence, No one invests incities whre there is this kind of vilence and extortion by organized crime.

 

[Porus]

I have the book right here, please refer to the parts in question?

Then read again what he writes about "Urdas" and post it here, and also tell the people here what he has written about "great leaders" like Liaquat Ali Khan and what, according to him, Jinnah though of Liaquat Ali and other leaders of Muslim League.

Because as far as I have concerned.. the critiques of MQM(not unjustified) are almost always racially motivated.. and look, you yourself answered your call by going even further with it.

Now the pot is calling the kettle black. The problem with racists like you is that you take the criticism against a political party, which has been involved in every kind of terrorism and it is as visible as the light during day, as being the hate against a whole community. Whatever I said, I said against a political party.

Moreover, what injustice? Please quantify?
Did they lose a province? After all, there was little in terms of the MQM in Karachi where Everybody was generally co-existant until Gohar Ayub's effort to Pashtunize the area with criminals from FATA.. not even the educated class. Criminals.
Sloagans of "Pan ka zamana gaya, Naswar ka zamana aya" is what came up.

In spite of having lived many years in Karachi I have never heard this slogan which actually seems to be a figment of your own imagination. And if you have decided to resort to this cheap tactics, then tell me how many extremely racist and cheap slogans I should post here with which the followers of Quaid e Fasad blacken the walls of Karachi or shout in their slums and jalsas. Actually when it comes to creating vulgar slogans nobody can hold a candle to the followers of Quaid e Fasad.

It is also a big misconception that Gohar Ayub led a procession of Pashtuns to celebrate the victory of Ayub in Lalookhet. He is from Hazara, so was the majority of the people in that procession. The majority of the truck and bus drivers in Karachi of those days used to be from the Hazara division. It is also impossible to imagine that the trouble makers like lalookhetis were mere spectators on that day.

or all records of History show.. that the red shirts were fiercely opposed to Pakistan.
Oh there were undeniable resistance against the Lord Saab.. but then Gandhi ji was a better role model than any affiliation with M.A Jinnah. Stop playing the card of racial superiority.. that expired back in 1947 too.

The khudai khidmatgars were against the division of British India, if the Muslims of northern India could not co-exist with Hindus then it doesn't automatically mean that nobody can live peacefully along with Hindus. Ironically, the post-partition history of urban Sindh proves that these guys cannot live peacefully with any community in this world, let alone the Hindus.

The Khudai Khidmatgars were interested in one thing only, the liberation of their lands from the yoke of the British Imperialists - and just to achieving this goal they fought and shed their blood which cannot be said for the leaders and follower of Muslim League.