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Important for each other – Pakistan and Israel

I think that's backwards: the Jews of the Arab World and Pakistan have already been shunted into the small state of Israel: restoring these Jews' rights to land, liberty, and property (along with rebuilding their destroyed synagogues) doesn't mean much if there aren't any Jews to live in them, right? You'd have to establish relations with Israel first, then the rest could follow.

1. Feel free to shunt out. World is a big place and it still rotated about its axis before 1948.
2. Jewish rights are based on usurpation of Palestinian rights, and that is something you wish to ignore.
3. No relations with Israel until either there is a two-state solution (no chance of that happening), or end of Apartheid - meaning one state with equal citizenship for all.
4. Pakistan does not need Israel for anything. For Pakistanis, Israel is a non-entity and that is how it would stay until Palestinians are recognized as equal human beings.
 
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Turyal Azam Khan
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Important for each other – Pakistan and Israel
MAR 24, 2019, 8:42 PM

It is pretty clear what Pakistan’s position on the Israel-Palestine conflict is and it is also pretty clear what side Israel chooses to be with when it comes to the rivalry between Pakistan and India. However, despite being on opposing patterns in most cases, Tel Aviv and Islamabad are not at war with and neither have any conflicts as compared with Pakistan’s neighbor Iran. Relations between the two countries have remained very calm despite Islamabad’s decision not to recognize Israel.

It is interesting to note that one of Pakistan’s major allies Saudi Arabia have mutual interests as well when it comes to dealing with Iran, a rival state of both countries. Hence it is important to remember that Israel is a key player in the Middle East region and despite Islamabad’s position on the opposing side, it is important to recognize Israel considering its status in the Middle East.

This view was even stressed by the former Pakistani President General (Retired) Pervez Musharraf. He expressed these views in an interview with the Israeli newspaper
Haaretz. In the interview, he admired the military capability of the former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and also said that while he wants a solution to the Palestinian question, he has to admit that Israel was here to say and that is why it was essential to recognize Israel.

During the recent India-Pakistan tensions which took place after February 14 when an Indian convoy was attacked in the Indian administered-Kashmir area of Pulwama of which New Delhi blames Islamabad for the attack, Musharraf made similar remarks about establishing good ties with Israel. He expressed these statements in a press conference. In 2005, when the former Pakistani president wanted to make contacts with the Israeli leadership with the assistance of Turkey, the Israeli government responded within 24 hours. The late Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto also wanted to establish good ties with Israel as per the Israeli media.

The Israeli and Pakistani military worked together during Operation Cyclone at the height of the Cold War. The Pakistani intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) closely worked with Mossad against the Soviet Union. Both Tel Aviv and Islamabad sided with Washington during the Cold War whereas Islamabad’s arch-rival India sided with the Soviet Union. If it were not for the close co-operation between the ISI and Mossad, the Soviet Union would not have been perhaps defeated. Pakistan and Israel are among the most powerful militaries in the world and their co-operation is essential if a time of crisis comes as witnessed during the cold war.

While anti-Israel sentiment does exist in the country, Israelis who have visited the country speak nothing but of praise of the hospitality they have witnessed in Pakistan. The most prominent Israeli figure to have lived in Pakistan is Dan Kieselman, a sports physiotherapist and an osteopath who has worked with the Pakistan national cricket team. Despite a few objections, Kieselman described Lahore as a beautiful city and has claimed to never have hidden his Israeli identity while living with his wife there. He served as the sports physiotherapist for the Pakistani national cricket team from 1995 till 1999. Similarly, an Israeli-Arab lecturer Ramzi Sulaiman took part in a scientific conference organized by the University of Punjab in Lahore in 2015.

When British journalist Saima Mohsin who is of Pakistani origin was in Israel in 2014 covering the Israel-Gaza conflict, she shared something unusual happening in an Israeli restaurant. A song of the popular late Pakistani singer Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was being played at the restaurant and. The staff had no idea and they were overjoyed upon hearing it.


Sporting ties between the nations have been remarkable as witnessed at the 2002 Wimbledon Open when Pakistani tennis player Aisam Ul Haq Qureshi teamed up with Israeli tennis player Amir Hadad. Despite condemnation from the Pakistan Sports Board, Qureshi responded which most Pakistanis and Israelis can learn a thing or two from “I would like to be talked about for my tennis rather than politics. If we can change people’s minds, then that would be a good thing.”

When the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited India, he stated in an interview regarding Tel Aviv’s relations with Pakistan “We (Israel) are not enemies of Pakistan and Pakistan should not be our enemy either.”

The above statement makes the Israeli position on Pakistan quite clear now it is up to the Pakistani leadership in a similar manner. Despite tense relations with India, Pakistan and India still recognize each other and while Islamabad and Tel Aviv have not been involved in any direct conflict and have even co-operated militarily, Islamabad chooses not to recognize Tel Aviv.

It is essential for Pakistan to recognize Israel and start a new chapter. Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan whose slogan is Naya Pakistan meaning he wants to make a New Pakistan should start by establishing ties with Israel. Pakistan’s stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict is quite clear however this does not mean that Israel is going anytime soon and in order to maintain a good presence in today’s global village, it is important for Tel Aviv and Islamabad to recognize each other. Who knows that the diplomatic ties between the two countries lead to something better that could not have been achieved if they did not recognize each other.


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tell you what
credit must be given when its due
Natanyahu has a long list of criticism leveled against him due to his hawkish approach regarding dealing with Palestinians etc and there are some less than flattering issues of alleged corruption

that aside

the way he masterfully time and again dodged some loaded questions by the Indians during his last visit re question about Pakistan. that shows good statesmanship in my opinion to keep all option open and avoid rhetoric

watch from 0:39


That's by design. Pakistan's HEC has classed Israel as an ideological issue and directed its universities to not present any positive view of the Jewish State: https://globalvoices.org/2014/11/07...wing-model-un-controversy-over-israeli-booth/

However, if you review Pakistan history carefully you'll see that once authority gives the go-ahead to something then the masses may feel free to follow. A classic example is how quickly anti-Bangla hatred evaporated after Pakistan accepted the loss of Bangladesh in the 1971 war.
that is true
we have divorced ourselves completely to the idea of even allowing a debate about Israel in any positive way.
emotions run high and refuse to accept that a normal relations can exist while keeping a different / critical stand on political issues other than Palestine.

1. Feel free to shunt out. World is a big place and it still rotated about its axis before 1948.
2. Jewish rights are based on usurpation of Palestinian rights, and that is something you wish to ignore.
3. No relations with Israel until either there is a two-state solution (no chance of that happening), or end of Apartheid - meaning one state with equal citizenship for all.
4. Pakistan does not need Israel for anything. For Pakistanis, Israel is a non-entity and that is how it would stay until Palestinians are recognized as equal human beings.
yes exactly and we are free and unique to hold this stance although Arabs are lining up to open up to Israel and are holding open debates in that favour. they are no less Muslim than us they are more closer to Palestinians than we ever will be.

talking about the two ... among the Arabs we are hated the most by Palestinians (met them personally ) they consider Kashmir India's integral part too.

but despite that its great that we condemn Israeli atrocities towards them because its the right thing to do.(and it doesnt matter what some racist, xenophobic Palestinians think of Pakistan)
yes we dont need Israel and neither does Israel

I have nothing for or against the argument thats worth my time to form or not to form relationships

we do have relations with Moritanya yes? what if we close down our embassy and sever our relationship with them or they with us?
both will get on just fine.
 
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With all the big trail of troubles and problems,if pakistan can have diplomatic relations with india then why not have with Israel? I mean we dont have any direct conflict with it and by opening up pakistan can help palestinians and Israel in resolving the long time issues.why not give it a shot?

You will gain nothing and lose everything.

Neither Israel can be your friend, nor will your population accept it.

Anyone advocating any ties with Israel on the Pakistani street would be hung on a lamp post.

Without the recognition and support of the Awaam of Pakistan, the state loses any and all legitimacy.

that is true
we have divorced ourselves completely to the idea of even allowing a debate about Israel in any positive way.
emotions run high and refuse to accept that a normal relations can exist while keeping a different / critical stand on political issues other than Palestine.

It runs against the wishes of the vast majority of our population and both of most important founding fathers, Allama Iqbal and Quaid e Azam.

yes exactly and we are free and unique to hold this stance although Arabs are lining up to open up to Israel and are holding open debates in that favour. they are no less Muslim than us they are more closer to Palestinians than we ever will be.

talking about the two ... among the Arabs we are hated the most by Palestinians (met them personally ) they consider Kashmir India's integral part too.

Arabs are not our teachers.

They have backstabbed Turks and Iranians also, but do we see those two softening up to Israel.

but despite that its great that we condemn Israeli atrocities towards them because its the right thing to do.(and it doesnt matter what some racist, xenophobic Palestinians think of Pakistan)
yes we dont need Israel and neither does Israel

I have nothing for or against the argument thats worth my time to form or not to form relationships

Exactly, we are fine as we are.

We have enough problems, so let’s not add another.
 
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You will gain nothing and lose everything.

Neither Israel can be your friend, nor will your population accept it.

Anyone advocating any ties with Israel on the Pakistani street would be hung on a lamp post.

Without the recognition and support of the Awaam of Pakistan, the state loses any and all legitimacy.
Whats the solution then?
 
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