IMF only viable option, PM Imran Khan told: Is it true?

[shah_123]

Countrymen should start paying taxes 300 million population and only 5/6 % paying taxes where you expect $$ to flow from its easy to say but problem is you need it now/ immediately and plan out in place will take time at least year plus , neither noon league nor interim GOVT did anything during last one year and passed on the buck cleaning the 3 democratic tenure will need more than few months actions



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[I.R.A]

why DIRECT TAXATION is so difficult for the state ?!?

Because they don't want to. You know Zakat is direct taxation and it should go to State, Muslims shouldn't be discharging this liability on individual level giving it to Medrassas etc. I am inclined to conclude that only Zakat can help us with increasing tax base, because it carries that religious mandatory obligation with it, people cannot refuse and resist it, it would involve smooth and transparent application equally ...... and it doesn't have to be 2.5% but at rates that suit our current situation and times, it can even be different for different classes based on their monthly income, and wealth, both combined. But the problem is there is a mafia behind complex and complicated tax laws that would never want an easy simple tax laws and tax system.

 

[PakSword]

Because they don't want to. You know Zakat is direct taxation and it should go to State, Muslims shouldn't be discharging this liability on individual level giving it to Medrassas etc. I am inclined to conclude that only Zakat can help us with increasing tax base, because it carries that religious mandatory obligation with it, people cannot refuse and resist it, it would involve smooth and transparent application equally ...... and it doesn't have to be 2.5% but at rates that suit our current situation and times, it can even be different for different classes based on their monthly income, and wealth, both combined. But the problem is there is a mafia behind complex and complicated tax laws that would never want an easy simple tax laws and tax system.

How will you stop people from carrying out this duty at an individual level?

 

[Kabira]

yeh man such evil!! last 10 saal jo lootanay wallay hain unka koi kasur nai right?

This loot mar was all lies as PTI is finding out. So PTI isn’t looting but still going for same policies. In fact even more taxes.

 

[I.R.A]

How will you stop people from carrying out this duty at an individual level?

First people need to properly understand Zakat and its application, the way we are currently dispensing Zakat doesn't make any sense, it renders the whole purpose of Zakat ineffective and meaningless. The application of Zakat wasn't because ALLAH wanted us to spend money, it was to help the state in looking after its people and its affairs. It should be made part of Financial courses and syllabus and children should be educated from start about importance of Zakat, in their schools. Dekh bai ..... borrowing Australian tax laws isn't going to change our situation, no matter what we do it would remain same, and leaving Zakat application to be interpreted by Molvi Sahiban is not a prudent thing to do at all, proven already. People need to understand Zakat is not an escape from Hell fire, it's a deeper concept applicable in this world, a key to a successful society and state.

 

[Kabira]

The state is not in mood of recovering looted wealth AND we have bow down in front of Sharif and zardari .

why DIRECT TAXATION is so difficult for the state ?!?

titanic is drowning due to our hypocrisy ..

Because it directly target the rich. At least PTI toke another U turn on allowing non fillers to buy properties and cars. The idea is to make things difficult for people with black money.

 

[PakSword]

First people need to properly understand Zakat and its application, the way we are currently dispensing Zakat doesn't make any sense, it renders the whole purpose of Zakat ineffective and meaningless. The application of Zakat wasn't because ALLAH wanted us to spend money, it was to help the state in looking after its people and its affairs. It should be made part of Financial courses and syllabus and children should be educated from start about importance of Zakat, in their schools. Dekh bai ..... borrowing Australian tax laws isn't going to change our situation, no matter what we do it would remain same, and leaving Zakat application to be interpreted by Molvi Sahiban is not a prudent thing to do at all, proven already. People need to understand Zakat is not an escape from Hell fire, it's a deeper concept applicable in this world, a key to a successful society and state.

I agree with you.. I was just asking how will it be implemented?

And how will you force the people to do something which is not mentioned in Islamic texts (about paying Zakat to government) without a fatwa (you know Pakistani nation follows their favorite molvis.. A fazlu's follower will not ever pay to government)..

Plus, looking at the previous incidents of rich people going on Hajj (with their extended families) on Bait ul Maal's money, even I won't pay my Zakat in treasury..

 

[Roybot]

Well, no one saw that coming

Imagine if the IMF goes, yeah nah, no loan for you Pakistan!

 

[WarKa DaNG]

How is every imported thing paid by foreign reserves money,I mean if I am going to buy a car or other imported things I pay for it plus FED, the Gov. of Pakistan does not offer it to me for free

 

[dy1022]

Sources said the PM is still hopeful that Saudi Arabia and China will temporary bailout Pakistan but claimed that recent developments in connection with the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) have made both Beijing and Riyadh uncomfortable.



Not just that,what about someone in Pakistan Government that bashing China on Uygur issue?

 

[maithil]

Whatever happened to 15 Billions that Saudis were giving and 10s of billions “iron brother” was depositing to avoid IMF ? Reality hitting Kaptaan’s team now?

 

[I.R.A]

I agree with you.. I was just asking how will it be implemented?

And how will you force the people to do something which is not mentioned in Islamic texts (about paying Zakat to government) without a fatwa (you know Pakistani nation follows their favorite molvis.. A fazlu's follower will not ever pay to government)..

Hazrat Abu Bakar sanctioned state army to fight people who refused to pay Zakat, that proves it was a state matter and not some individual act. Plus this enforces that in an Islamic country / State, Deen is not a private personal matter.

Plus, looking at the previous incidents of rich people going on Hajj (with their extended families) on Bait ul Maal's money, even I won't pay my Zakat in treasury..

That is what is happening in FBR too. You think the taxes that I pay go to welfare and uplift of common Pakistanis? With Zakat as one source of tax we can bring strict punishment for corruption.

 

[PakSword]

Hazrat Abu Bakar sanctioned state army to fight people who refused to pay Zakat, that proves it was a state matter and not some individual act. Plus this enforces that in an Islamic country / State, Deen is not a private personal matter.

That's right. But he fought with people who said that there is no need to pay Zakat at all.. That came under kufr..

They didn't say that they would not pay to the state..

That is what is happening in FBR too. You think the taxes that I pay go to welfare and uplift of common Pakistanis? With Zakat as one source of tax we can bring strict punishment for corruption.

What I think is that more people (actually more than 90% in my opinion) pay Zakat regularly.. because it is a religious duty.. And the same people avoid tax payments because they don't consider it a religious duty..

The will start paying taxes (and zakat) if our religious scholars issue a decree.. because most of the Pakistanis have their own scholar who he likes and follows...

And that's where the problem starts.. Pakistan didn't control the religious seminaries and the people who passed out from there as religious scholars..

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The state is not in mood of recovering looted wealth AND we have bow down in front of Sharif and zardari .

why DIRECT TAXATION is so difficult for the state ?!?

titanic is drowning due to our hypocrisy ..

According to the following sources, both professional accountants and economy academics, ~70% of Pak economy is undocumented!!! It's damn huge!!! The following official graph from the Pak government shows that GDP growth rate and the growth rate of the expensive items don't match!!!! It means the majority economic activities of the Pak folks are out of the government control, manipulation, documentation, direct taxation etc...

https://fp.brecorder.com/2016/05/2016051345400/
https://www.aerc.edu.pk/real-size-underground-economy-case-pakistan/

 

[I.R.A]

The will start paying taxes (and zakat) if our religious scholars issue a decree.. because most of the Pakistanis have their own scholar who he likes and follows...

You already know how complicated our tax laws are, and they are kept that way intent-fully. These complicated laws are what keep these tax practitioners and lawyers employed and making huge sums of money, and deprive state of a clear transparent collection system and tax revenue, in some cases in billions.

Fatwas won't help either, just simply pass a legislation in parliament and implement it. Sri Lankan Muslims have a Fatwa on Female Genital Mutilation, now if their Fatwa is to be considered correct then we in Pakistan are doing something very wrong. Asking for Fatwas is going back to square one, it's similar like asking a motor mechanic to build a bridge.