IK's aggressive response after 2 days leave

[Dil_Pakistan]

This was indeed a key speech, telling tales of the game of thrones.

Ok boys and girls, some of you may not enjoy what I'm about to post. It is what I think may be the bitter truth or another side of it that we may or may not like.

You all know I admire IK for his services to the nation even before coming to power, but its no secret that I also detest his wrong decisions, fluctuating political non seriousness of his advisors and conceding political ground without putting pressure on his team to do much effort to follow up and keep tabs on some ignored yet actually key issues and I absolutely hate his choice of advisers to say the least. My posts since Panama revelations are a testament to it all.

So here goes my two cents about Imran Khan taking a couple of days off to pay some more heed to even more of the same ill advice he keeps following despite getting knocked over several times due to it. The analysis is in two parts.

Part 1:
The political scenario and the Speech:

Establishment wanted IK to tone down his uncompromising stand against Sharifs and opposition in general. The opposition has learned that it needs to do just enough to aggravate PTI hawks into action every few days to make it impossible for PTI to appear to be even trying to compromise. This is still not the point but it supplements it.

The point is; initially when Nawaz's health deteriorated recently, IK agreed with establishment to let Nawaz go to get treatment due to his bad health himself and his advisors never bothered to explain and war game the scenario completely. As a matter of fact, they missed the 8th ball all together in misjudging the reaction tsunami of PTI support base against letting Nawaz go.

But the key culprits, that made the issue complicated for Nawaz Sharif, were no other than Salman Shahbaz, his wife and Shahbaz Sharif himself - the game changer - this taunt and the subsequent tall claims of Salman and Shahbaz himself unleashed the wrath of PTI support base towards PTI GOP that how can this happen under their very noses - NRO???

What transpired in due course was a strategic rethink that, for PTI supporters, turned out to be a political master stroke for some and an almost too late (but just in the nick of time) politico-legal face saving for others but a curve ball for PMLN that sent them looking for favors from a court, already hell bent on providing "quick and timely justice" at a consecutive series of crucial junctures off late.

Whatever LHC did in due course to become mediator in favor of a Rich influential Convicted Criminal against GOP itself is what has alarmed IK the most...that GOP was made to agree on legal terms of LHC that amounted to a mere Rs50/- stamp paper undertaking from a SCP declared liar and corrupt convicted criminal giving his word to return after he is "healthy," lol, not his "uncurable in Pakistan" "platelets ailment" or "Thrombocytopenia" but when he is "healthy" and fit to return ... what a joke that a guy who has a series of heart and sugar ailments, including old age and obnoxious eating habits to make it all worse, can get completely "healthy" from such ailments and not meet his maker sooner or later. Amazing intellect and unprecedented favor, a health vacation abroad straight from behind bars!!!

So naturally, IK is upset and feels aggreaved. But who advised IK to let him go in the first place ignoring ECL?

Indeed as he admitted, IK felt mercy for the seriously ill adversary, but to give such a favor to Nawaz that goes against the law of the land is unlike IK... enter the highly intellectual advisers...the ever obedient servants of rulers than rulers themselves.

I'm not putting the blame on advisers alone, I am only pointing out that the timeout taken to reflect on the political scene was lined with conferring with advisers, some of which have even admitted as so in media. It is indeed a fact that IK does relies on his advisers a lot more than we have seen other leaders, probably because he is still inexperienced in his term as PM Pakistan as well as the political and legal ramifications of his decisions.

Coming back to the speech...IK and the same advisers who were unable to war game the scenario earlier but willing to and providing excuses to let go, played another master stroke... play the aggrieved PM harddone by LHC card and appeal to the SCP judges informally to provide same level of justice for the rich and poor alike. Bravo! Thats a good political move actually but naming the judges might come back to haunt as they might mention their reservations by comments in another case.

IK was looking not just angry, he was looking to make it clear and showing extreme resentment against (compromise advocating) establishment by mocking opposition leaders, Bilawal and Fazlu one by one.

Then his statements alluding towards Chaudhris, MQM, GDA and BAP's blackmailing were again showing that these political gimmics by allies are actually getting to him. He sounded like an opposition leader when he is the PM. Bad advice as usual... threatening allies is not a good idea, specially when you know its the force behind them that is your accost.

Why did IK call it inequality of law when PTI cabinet itself started with this mistake by making exception for the rich convict and approved his going abroad on indemnity condition despite Nawaz's name was on ECL???

IK should have refused on principle saying that, "I want to help Nawaz but his name is on ECL so according to the law we cannot remove it, plz contact courts for going abroad." Period. In the eyes of the executive, rich and poor would have stood the same right there and then.

The point is: how can you ask SCP CJ Khosa and Justice Gulzar to give equal justice to poor, when to start with, you yourself went against the Law to allow rich Convict on ECL to leave due to misplaced mercy?

IK needs to settle this once and for all.

Bottom line is clear as daylight, he needs only to stand on principles and his decisions would start to fall in line with the asperations of people who love him, his voters and supporters who are worried for him that they want to see the IK who will never compromise on principles.



Part2:
Political perception and the way forward:

Now the political perception of the speech and its political outcome:

The agressive speech was a good show of strength for the PTI voters and supporters who were/are low on morale seeing the criminals get away from punishment and being allowed out of the country on a health vacation.

However, it was a mistake that IK was advised to go on the offensive against Fazlu as well as his own allies as if to mock the establishment behind the scenes.

This strategy of standing up and mocking now that its too late is like...going around kicking opposition leaders one by one, which is only going to make IK inevitably kick the bomb itself i.e. establishment.

So what can be a better way forward for the sake of Pakistan???

Now that he is neck deep in it with them to try to sort out the economy while taking the brunt of economic hardship to become less popular...he has a few choices left to regain his political strength :

1) It is better to play along in hopes for better economic conditions as was his earlier plan or

2) Find ways to Give immidiate relief to the poor by subsidising wheat, pulses, edible oil and sugar. Lower petroleum prices.
Give relief in electricity bills for 150 units and less, used to be for 100units so make the slab higher to include more.

3) Find a way to create a wave of popularity somehow by punching India on the nose to bleed a little or as @PakSword suggested in the thread to fight LHC to let other poor ill prisoners go like they let Nawaz go.

I hope I have done fair and constructive criticism as well as a few suggestions towards finding a better solution to the problems at hand.

May Allah have mercy on us all.

Pakistan Zindabad.

Interesting read and very concrete building of argument. Love such discussion & posts.

Now coming to some points you raised & particularly the advisory one. IMO, i think one area that IK needs to accept & learn if he hasn't is that there is not going to be some trickle down affect. Khan has time & time said in his electoral slogans, that you need to have right man at top & rest underneath follow. However for Pakistan, that is not not the case, and with the system we have, where you have beneficiary of corrupt system in bureaucracy etc.
He needs to put right man & people for right job.
I think it was & remains huge miscalculation on his part to not majorly shakeup the bureaucracy among other things & believing that just give them freedom & follow book of law, and everything will go right. The beneficiary of status quo in bureaucracy & elsewhere are now coming to bite & creating hurdles & troubles.

In NS case too, maybe establishment elements did want NS out but IK was not helped by two things. One another of his party's weak point so far i.e. no media/counter-narrative of Govt./PTI to NS & opposition propaganda, be it health in this case or in general. Very poor media team & management. Another weakness, again over dependency on NAB advice/going by books/sub-committee deciding. NAB obviously compromised or just saving itself, giving Govt. advice that has no precedence. However with NS propaganda & whole environment created, IK had to budge down to the pressure to let him go. Maybe the advice came from other circles too but these factors didn't helped.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

What saved Nawaz Sharif.His past act of letting Musharraf go.
Imran has put the ball in CJs court..If he doesn't take suo moto on this its him who will be asked on the day of judgement regardless "who" is behind the whole thing.

dg ispr in his latest tweet has clarified that govt and army is on same page which shows that there is no difference between etablishment and govt on nawaz issue so it is better govt file appeal in sc against Lhc decision if they are serious in this regard

They wouldnt go to SC..neither CJ will take any suo moto.They know something public doesnt know.

Nawaz Sharif's life is under threat.Not by the illness but from his very own people who can do anything for politics..This is how cold hearted politics is..

Govt. should have come out in open about this but that could have pressured Nawaz to stay back, instead they have some other plan which will role out in coming months..UK has reassured Nawaz(a convicted criminal) will not be given asylum in UK and will only be escorted back to Pakistan through the govt.of Pakistan's understanding and that he will not be allowed to make political appearances from there like AH did.The game is not over yet.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

This was indeed a key speech, telling tales of the game of thrones.

Ok boys and girls, some of you may not enjoy what I'm about to post. It is what I think may be the bitter truth or another side of it that we may or may not like.

You all know I admire IK for his services to the nation even before coming to power, but its no secret that I also detest his wrong decisions, fluctuating political non seriousness of his advisors and conceding political ground without putting pressure on his team to do much effort to follow up and keep tabs on some ignored yet actually key issues and I absolutely hate his choice of advisers to say the least. My posts since Panama revelations are a testament to it all.

So here goes my two cents about Imran Khan taking a couple of days off to pay some more heed to even more of the same ill advice he keeps following despite getting knocked over several times due to it. The analysis is in two parts.

Part 1:
The political scenario and the Speech:

Establishment wanted IK to tone down his uncompromising stand against Sharifs and opposition in general. The opposition has learned that it needs to do just enough to aggravate PTI hawks into action every few days to make it impossible for PTI to appear to be even trying to compromise. This is still not the point but it supplements it.

The point is; initially when Nawaz's health deteriorated recently, IK agreed with establishment to let Nawaz go to get treatment due to his bad health himself and his advisors never bothered to explain and war game the scenario completely. As a matter of fact, they missed the 8th ball all together in misjudging the reaction tsunami of PTI support base against letting Nawaz go.

But the key culprits, that made the issue complicated for Nawaz Sharif, were no other than Salman Shahbaz, his wife and Shahbaz Sharif himself - the game changer - this taunt and the subsequent tall claims of Salman and Shahbaz himself unleashed the wrath of PTI support base towards PTI GOP that how can this happen under their very noses - NRO???

What transpired in due course was a strategic rethink that, for PTI supporters, turned out to be a political master stroke for some and an almost too late (but just in the nick of time) politico-legal face saving for others but a curve ball for PMLN that sent them looking for favors from a court, already hell bent on providing "quick and timely justice" at a consecutive series of crucial junctures off late.

Whatever LHC did in due course to become mediator in favor of a Rich influential Convicted Criminal against GOP itself is what has alarmed IK the most...that GOP was made to agree on legal terms of LHC that amounted to a mere Rs50/- stamp paper undertaking from a SCP declared liar and corrupt convicted criminal giving his word to return after he is "healthy," lol, not his "uncurable in Pakistan" "platelets ailment" or "Thrombocytopenia" but when he is "healthy" and fit to return ... what a joke that a guy who has a series of heart and sugar ailments, including old age and obnoxious eating habits to make it all worse, can get completely "healthy" from such ailments and not meet his maker sooner or later. Amazing intellect and unprecedented favor, a health vacation abroad straight from behind bars!!!

So naturally, IK is upset and feels aggreaved. But who advised IK to let him go in the first place ignoring ECL?

Indeed as he admitted, IK felt mercy for the seriously ill adversary, but to give such a favor to Nawaz that goes against the law of the land is unlike IK... enter the highly intellectual advisers...the ever obedient servants of rulers than rulers themselves.

I'm not putting the blame on advisers alone, I am only pointing out that the timeout taken to reflect on the political scene was lined with conferring with advisers, some of which have even admitted as so in media. It is indeed a fact that IK does relies on his advisers a lot more than we have seen other leaders, probably because he is still inexperienced in his term as PM Pakistan as well as the political and legal ramifications of his decisions.

Coming back to the speech...IK and the same advisers who were unable to war game the scenario earlier but willing to and providing excuses to let go, played another master stroke... play the aggrieved PM harddone by LHC card and appeal to the SCP judges informally to provide same level of justice for the rich and poor alike. Bravo! Thats a good political move actually but naming the judges might come back to haunt as they might mention their reservations by comments in another case.

IK was looking not just angry, he was looking to make it clear and showing extreme resentment against (compromise advocating) establishment by mocking opposition leaders, Bilawal and Fazlu one by one.

Then his statements alluding towards Chaudhris, MQM, GDA and BAP's blackmailing were again showing that these political gimmics by allies are actually getting to him. He sounded like an opposition leader when he is the PM. Bad advice as usual... threatening allies is not a good idea, specially when you know its the force behind them that is your accost.

Why did IK call it inequality of law when PTI cabinet itself started with this mistake by making exception for the rich convict and approved his going abroad on indemnity condition despite Nawaz's name was on ECL???

IK should have refused on principle saying that, "I want to help Nawaz but his name is on ECL so according to the law we cannot remove it, plz contact courts for going abroad." Period. In the eyes of the executive, rich and poor would have stood the same right there and then.

The point is: how can you ask SCP CJ Khosa and Justice Gulzar to give equal justice to poor, when to start with, you yourself went against the Law to allow rich Convict on ECL to leave due to misplaced mercy?

IK needs to settle this once and for all.

Bottom line is clear as daylight, he needs only to stand on principles and his decisions would start to fall in line with the asperations of people who love him, his voters and supporters who are worried for him that they want to see the IK who will never compromise on principles.



Part2:
Political perception and the way forward:

Now the political perception of the speech and its political outcome:

The agressive speech was a good show of strength for the PTI voters and supporters who were/are low on morale seeing the criminals get away from punishment and being allowed out of the country on a health vacation.

However, it was a mistake that IK was advised to go on the offensive against Fazlu as well as his own allies as if to mock the establishment behind the scenes.

This strategy of standing up and mocking now that its too late is like...going around kicking opposition leaders one by one, which is only going to make IK inevitably kick the bomb itself i.e. establishment.

So what can be a better way forward for the sake of Pakistan???

Now that he is neck deep in it with them to try to sort out the economy while taking the brunt of economic hardship to become less popular...he has a few choices left to regain his political strength :

1) It is better to play along in hopes for better economic conditions as was his earlier plan or

2) Find ways to Give immidiate relief to the poor by subsidising wheat, pulses, edible oil and sugar. Lower petroleum prices.
Give relief in electricity bills for 150 units and less, used to be for 100units so make the slab higher to include more.

3) Find a way to create a wave of popularity somehow by punching India on the nose to bleed a little or as @PakSword suggested in the thread to fight LHC to let other poor ill prisoners go like they let Nawaz go.

I hope I have done fair and constructive criticism as well as a few suggestions towards finding a better solution to the problems at hand.

May Allah have mercy on us all.

Pakistan Zindabad.

I think Imran Khan is expecting things to change in a very short frame of time. This ain't happening soon. The ill of this system is well settled for decades, it won't be updated with in few months. Rather than questioning judiciary over releasing Nawaz, IK needs to work on judiciary reforms first. We all know, his intentions are correct but believing everything will go as he wishes, won't be happening. Look at FBR reforms, again delayed, traders don't want to compromise an inch, punjab police reforms and many other bureaucratic problems stands still like the way it was 14 months back.

All Imran needs is to relax, work on them one by one, even slowly but steadily. Likes of PMLN/PPP and other corrupt elite will keep on exploiting the loop holes in our system in between that time but not that long if Govt starts fixing them thoroughly even at a slow pace. For now, Govt wants to dig her hands in too many things and not getting successful in anything. That is precisely why, IK felt frustrated today. To me, IK needs to let it go things as it happens for e.g. Nawaz getting medical relief abroad etc..just work on economy and at the same time work on two major reforms religiously that is judiciary and FBR. If he able to sort this out in coming months, I mean if we see tangible progress by introducing correct reforms, than it will silent his critics on its own and writ of the Govt will get stronger on everything itself.

As far as Govt allies are concerned, PML-Q and MQM are not leaving PTI. Elahi has even released a video statement yesterday. Period.

Chaudhry bros just wanted media attention and credit after their successful negotiations with Diesel hence went on every second channel to give interviews with some turka involving Nawaz's exit. Actually they were aiming at that idiot Fawad Chaudry, who in recent past has ridiculed both PML-Q and MQM as smaller parties.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[VCheng]

Bottom line is clear as daylight, he needs only to stand on principles and his decisions would start to fall in line with the asperations of people who love him, his voters and supporters who are worried for him that they want to see the IK who will never compromise on principles.

Just as we saw PMIK learn the difference between electable and non-electable candidates fielded by PTI, we will also see the maturing of PMIK as a politician as he learns the art of flexibility in pursuit of greater goals. It is inevitable.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Aisi bahut declarations of war pehle bhi ati rahi hain. Papa Bhutto senior bhi aisi hi fire and brimstone speeches kar k awaam ko ungliyoon p nachata tha. Bloody terrorist.

Tum logon aur nooniyon aur jiyalon mein koi farq nai hai.

I watched the speech.... PMIK is back in form and fighting mood... took the FuzlaGangsters to task and went for the kill... BilloZaradri was made fun of... and then Showbaaz...and Maffiaz!

I guess it is going to be like this... seems like full fledged declaration of War!

I didn't expect it to be so soon... but then it is IK... so push back was inevitable....

 

[AZ1]

Aisi bahut declarations of war pehle bhi ati rahi hain. Papa Bhutto senior bhi aisi hi fire and brimstone speeches kar k awaam ko ungliyoon p nachata tha. Bloody terrorist.

Tum logon aur nooniyon aur jiyalon mein koi farq nai hai.

There is one big difference. One is protecting the corrupt and other one is exposing the corrupt.
What now is happening on social media is never happened before in term of Lahore court decision people I know who were supporting PMLN and bashing PTI now against PMLN and Lahore court while you are neither here nor there going with the wind.

 

[Nasr]

This is what ought to happen now:

1. Nawaz Sharif should be admitted to a Prison Hospital or a Military Hospital under strict supervision. Whatever the hell is wrong with the fat cat, fix him and throw him back behind bars. Leaving the country, is out of the effing question, unless of course you return all the wealth back to the State Treasury. Then your citizenship shall be revoked and will not ever be allowed to enter Pakistan.

2. Pakistanis, those true to this country, should form a syndicate which would use it's own resources to fight against the criminal politician's mafia. Whether you be part of the government or not at all, fight to destroy corruption. Hang noose around their necks with court case after court case to the extent that they suffocate out of legal strangulation.

 

[HAIDER]

Lottay know their place, just like QLeague and MQM. Ye nungay ho jayengay agar idhar udhar huay to

Right now they have no place to go.

 

[Shane]

That doesnt make sense..as he has no medical reason to leave
NS will come back only near his election in 2023. Maryum will be out and they will lead the campaign ..once elected back they will force judiciary or even do a presidential pardon to get him out

Exactly, I agree with you. Let's mark these posts for a future reference.

Let me add another behind the scenes game to the equation. They will have another jab at making a comeback when the CJ of SCP is their guy that they can rely on.

Efforts to save Qazi Faiz Essa from SJC are with a view to keeping the PMLN Judges comfortable instead of feeling abandoned and weary, while independent Judges, like current CJP, are beinng cunningly deceived by PMLN judges...call it Judge bradary... for protection from bad boys in GOP and Establishment...survive now to rule once again is the moto.

 

[AZ1]

Be ready for nawaz on ventilator and maryam ask lahore court.to meet him
Six month time frame my opinion

 

[Shane]

Be ready for nawaz on ventilator and maryam ask lahore court.to meet him
Six month time frame my opinion

Make that within a month...

The particular blood type needed to save Nawaz is only going to match that of Maryam's blood due to genetic reasons that would require exactly her blood to save Nawaz, and the tests for confirming this unique event in medical science history would only be carried out abroad.

@PakSword let's wait and watch next episode of Gawalmandi antics and how it still becomes successful in throwing sand in our eyes by a Khota-rights-watch Highcourt hell bent on shoving Sharif justice down our throats every few days.

 

[Village life]

Surprisingly the nation was fooled to let nawaz rule 3 times and zadari so i wouldnt go as far as to say this nation isnt fools

Nation is as fool as Americans are to select a mentally ill Trump and Indians are to select a butcher Modi, now a days it's nature or Devine forces which are exposing the flaws in democratic system, it's only system which can easily be manipulated by a very effective 5th gen hybrid warfare and you are seeing it with open eyes and you can't stop it ,a Gary Rihino

So you are against this government because you dont like the hybrid regime? Or you just support a political party other than PPP,PTI or PMLN?
When you say that many small political parties will emerge after IK, They will be difficult to 'Handle'. Do you mean they will be difficult to handle by the security establishment?
If you want IK out of the political system of Pakistan, what kind of information would you want in a leaked video of Imran Khan?

daro us din sy jis din aik mard ki mard ky k sath talukat ki video na nikal say (Hamid meer on main stream media) there are many like these and enough to shut some one's mouth piece with ease, and you know Whose representative Hamid meer is he is a part of status quo , and I don't like Ik any more he is munafiq e Azeem and a deception ,small parties are eminent if this system goes on ,and samll parties are easy to penetrate for foreig elements hence a headache to handle, and small parties mostly become nationalists or religious sectarian which do not serve national cause ,

 

[Clutch]

You are buying these rants after rants he spew at UNGA?

Anyone who is anti-Imran Khan in Pakistani politics is a CORRUPT choor in my books.

 

[Sine Nomine]

What about his comments at the UNGA was not sincere and believable?

Action speak louder than words,World has done nothing so far;what now?

I rather buy the IK "rants"... Than the corrupt farts of Nawaz, Zardari, and Mullah Diesel.

I guess to their own...

Your choice.