If there were Rafales, results would have been different. Now the new air chief is crying.

[PradoTLC]

We have no F16 proof

bcos you didnt shoot it down?...

You have NO MKI proof

Proof: bcos our pilots says so. And IAF turned tail like a coward never to bother us again.

South Asians have a habit of exaggeration and chest THUMBING AND blatently lyeing

100% agree. With indians taking the top spot.

Remember OBL and Kargil

OBL?..= fake raid

Kargil?= we bashed you so hard that you ran to americans to force us to stop...

Dont get me wrong the Indians are as bad

the only truth you stated. congrats!

any way ill never now but WELL DONE on the MIG21 prize .

and Su-30, 44 Indian soldiers. + 100 more on LOC that same day thanks to BAT, plus Mi-17, and international humiliation

Every few days an Indian comes and posts some hilarious version of the skirmish. Questions are asked and never directly answered. Than they disappear. Repeat .

it is mental trauma they are going through. They have been brained washed into believing they are superior.. but when the result is no negative... they just cannot reconcile with the reality.

 

[Lincoln]

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"ziaulislam, post: 12378136, member: 26526"]last upgrade of bison was over 700 million dollars for just 120 aircrafts in 1996 (adjusted for inflation almost 1 billion in 2005) ..this is more than what we spend on first 50 thunders

in short bison upgrade was no joke, it was made capable of carrying two BVRs and two WVRs with extra dorsal fuel
it was therefore thought to match any advance jet


As far as the Indians are concerned IT DID MATCH your best Jet.
It chased away a fleeing F16 and in the heat of the battle when so many things can go wrong it entered WRONG side of LOC it got shot down BUT not before ramming a HOBS 73 into the side of the fleeing F16. it was PAF wingman that Got Abhinandhan.

Listen PAF has its version AND india has its My Summay is simple

On 26th 12 indian Mirage2000-5 entered PAF airspace and dropped bombs or missles . Undetected PAF was asleep
PAF warned IAF of a response
On the 27th They came in day light.... 24 planes crossed LOC 10km and dropped bombs and fired amraams at IAF fighters from BVR
IAF was asleep only 8 planes nearby .. Why WAS this allowed to happen utter failure imo by IAF
PAF fired amraam shots but no hit . Indians claimed PAF pilots went manuel did not wait for firing signal overrode to fire from too far ie poor BVR tactics
IAF claim heir SU30MKI doged amraams with ease by going high to low and vice versa HOT and COLD.
The PAF turned to get back across LOC AFTER seeing approaching mirage2000 & SU30MKI
A mig21 WAS CLOSER so chased PAF … BUT a F16 shot him down Abihnandan fell your side of LOC. BUT IAF claim Abi shot down the PAF F16 and as himself hit by wing man or PAF SAM
The DOSRA BHANDA as your AIRFORCE spokesman called him was never found... yet you claimed to have two pilots at one stage.
MIG21 got taken out that as YOUR BIG WIN and getting across in day LIGHT without detection like the mirage 2000 night before IS the other WIN

BUT I hasten to add getting 10km into each other airspace is no biggy in NATO Israel and THE WEST imo

I think on points you GUYS won this round only because you have MIG21 proof
We have no F16 proof
You have NO MKI proof

South Asians have a habit of exaggeration and chest THUMBING AND blatently lyeing

Remember OBL and Kargil

Dont get me wrong the Indians are as bad

any way ill never now but WELL DONE on the MIG21 prize .

Well, what is any plane in the IAF inventory there for, if not to engage another plane? That's what it is there for. Even if India sent Sukhoi, Pakistan's J-7 would engage as they deem necessary.

The Mig-21 simply fell into a bait trap, it fell to superior tactics and mission plan. Blindly engaging is not something to take pride in.

And our best jet? It's a F-16. There are many variants of it. F-16A, B, C/D. A and B are not our best.

 

[wasileo80]

Oh so momen pilots wasted a couple of amrams by firing them 100 kms away from our flankers and fled, and that makes su 30 useless. Great.

While it's a different thing that r77 has shorter range but Pakistanis should not forget the difference between the quality of their pilots and ours. Have they forgotten how two of their f16 pilots fled the fight when an IAF fulcrum locked on both of them during Kargil war. PAF did not had bvr capability back then thus they fled. But our soldiers stay their ground and fight even with inferior equipment. They don't surrender. And that's the different. Machines are replaced, balls can't be.

Your flankers had detected the F-16s even before our F-16 shoot at them and even they tried to lock on our F-16s, then Our F-16 took action. Also why your Flankers and your finest pilots dare not to challenge F-16s, why the remaining flanker fled in opposite direction? Dear don't follow your media stories, face the reality.
Secondly, where the hell is the evidence that PAF wasted couple of AMRAAMs? PAF fired two and they hit their targets, which showed by your AIR Force Officers same evening in the press conference.
Thirdly, You people always speak the bull shit and rarely told half truth which favors you like you said in Kargil war, one of your Fulcurm locked on 2 F-16s, which is true and we admitted that. But what happened after that in that scenario, your Air Force never disclosed that how those 2 F-16s broke the lock and JAM Fulcurm's Radar and forced him to engage in WVR fight, and how promptly your fulcurm fled on super sonic speed from war theater?
You dont know anything indian bhagt.

Oh so momen pilots wasted a couple of amrams by firing them 100 kms away from our flankers and fled, and that makes su 30 useless. Great.

While it's a different thing that r77 has shorter range but Pakistanis should not forget the difference between the quality of their pilots and ours. Have they forgotten how two of their f16 pilots fled the fight when an IAF fulcrum locked on both of them during Kargil war. PAF did not had bvr capability back then thus they fled. But our soldiers stay their ground and fight even with inferior equipment. They don't surrender. And that's the different. Machines are replaced, balls can't be.

So your soldiers dont surrender, then where from we got your Knat and Oragon fighters in PAF museum?

Whatever be the internal politics of our country z our soldiers are brave as hell. Feb 27 was a battle between Pakistan's best and our worst and Pakistanis even had numerical superiority yet they think of it a great victory. But that's good for us if our enemy is living under illusion. They are bound to wake up to a disaster like all wars that they fought have been for them.

Ok, on 27th February PAF have numerical superiority, so that you were unable to defend? ok fine now tell me when IAF came to attack on 26, then IAF have numerical superiority, why they fled back once PAF jets challenged them? why they didnt shoot the incoming PAF pairs? why they didnt act like PAF acted on 27th?

 

[GDP Adil Khan Niazi]

I just came across this video and was speechless after hearing about Rafales and 27th Feb Saga from the mouth of the new IAF chief. Within seconds, he proved the SU-30s to be worthless without any shame.

Will anyone call them a professional force? If PAF manage to acquire BVRs of longer range than Meteors, will they repeat the SU-30 story with Rafales too? Will they say "Agr F-35 hota"...

I bet you guys, had they known about the capability of PAF or AMRAAMs, they wouldn't have dared on 26th Feb at first place.

Jab se iss ghareeb per tillak laga hai yeh bichara bhe sharminda hai kay mein kin gadhon kay paas jaraha hoon!

A bad workman blames his tools. Results will be the same because the pilots are the same lol

Absolutely right it's not always about how strong/superior you're in terms of weaponry it's always how qualified your soldiers are tactically and professionally to use even limited weapons.

I have to agree

Sword fish Radar
Netra & Phalcon Awacs
270 su30mki and another 100+ mig29 /mirage2000

AND GUESS WHAT ………. They where no where to be seen

in the end it took a VETERAN pilot in an ancient $1 million pound mig21 to chase a F16 and the intruding fighters who made their point lound and clear

You come into PAK air space and bomb our trees …… We will come into yours and repay in kind

so relunctant salute to you guys BECAUSE we Indians have far more money and slightly better equipment on paper
but just like in the streets you need heart and guts too

Just keeping/gathering a lot of ammo/equipment doesn't mean they all are in working condition haha, More than half of your equipment is just parked and have no running conditions whatsoever.

 

[wasileo80]

Do you really believe that yourself? During 84 meghdoot ops, our regular were too much for your world number one ssg. And you think your irregular have a chance against the IA? Accept it, they were slaughtered at Kargil. And also don't forget that you people proudly say that it was you who blew up pns Gazi. Also pakistani naval pilots bombed their own warship in the same war.

In your 1984 Operation Meghdoot, your forces were well prepared with high Altitude gears, with strong defensive positions and with high numbers, where as the first Pakistani Army SSG units who stopped your offensive are few in numbers and they are in normal winter uniform of Pakistan Army. They fought with adverse weather conditions, light ammo supported by light mortars against your overwhelming majority of forces supported by heavy artillery, combat aviation, higher ground and good defensive bunkers, still they managed to halt your offensive which was planned to invade further in Pakistan. And since 35 years you are at same position in Siachin Glacier.
And for Kargil if time permits me, then i will also give you some good lessons and facts which surely unable to digest by you as you seems to be a big bollywood movie fan.

3 pilots ejected only Abhinandan lad in Pakistan side, the other 2 landed
in Indian occupied Kashmir.

The other two didn't even had a chance to eject, they gone with their flanker. Also that MKI was hit deep into IOK while they were going here and there in panic and then AMRAAM made his mark on one of the MKI.

We locked 15 aircraft of IAF on 27/2 so whats the matter in locking?

Not 15 locked, there were initially 4 Jets in the theatre, 2xSU-30MKI and 2xMirage-2000. Then PAF shot down on MKI and other MKI fled from war theatre, Mirages were locked by JF-17s and they fled as well by saying their radars malfunctions which were not in fact. As permissions were not given JF-17s to shoot Mirages, so JF-17s didnt fired the missiles. Later on they scrambled 5 Mig-21s form Srinagar, out of them only Abhinandan comes near the LOC and crossed the LOC while fully blinded by DA-20 and got hit from AMRAAM fired by W.C Nauman Ali Khan. But for record, other 4 Migs were also in range of AMRAAMs but as they didnt came close to LOC so if PAF shoot them, surely their debris falls into IOK. So PAF didnt do that. And why PAF shot down MKI before even it was in deep in IOK as they tried to challenge PAF strike formation and vectored towards the formation but then immediately S.L Hassan shot that Asian Raptor down.