If the Generals knew the India role in regime change, could it be stopped, evoking some India centric Ghairat.

[VkdIndian]

He was banned to enter in usa. Deny me please.

Yes he was. Everyone knows this.
Later, he was cleared of all the charges by the courts and the same US uplifted the ban and welcomed him with open arms.
Now, don’t tell me that the uplifting of ban was motivated but banning him wasn’t or vice versa.

Modi was PM before IK came into limelight and is still the PM, while, IK is taking a dump in front of cameras in a jail. Who is successful? And who has bigger standing on the world stage?

IK has a fan following within your nation. For the outside world he is a small fry.

There is no comparison here.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

His policy was correct. No doubt on that. But, did US ask for it? US has openly said that they never asked for bases. There is no public statement by even lowest of US official asking for US base

It's like this.

People who don't lie expect others as not lying, contrary to a liar who will think that the other person is also a liar.

Similarly a person who is trustworthy will trust others, a deceiver will think of others as deceivers too.

Imran Khan is just to simple minded and at times naive.

But he is pro Pakistan to extreme, honest, truthful, passionate about country, incorruptible, very hard working, pro meritocracy, against kleptocracy, not a hypocrite, have never rewarded any friend or relatives, open minded and intelligent, against nepotism, against elite capture, amassing of wealth in few hands, is a pluralist, always talked about empowering the masses.

Have observed that wisdom doesn't goes with cleverness.

And many of the sage, intelligent people are simple and naive, naive in other things, not street smart.

 

[nahtanbob]

Really?..

I believe that was his best part... it had it's costs but there would have been net gain.. think Pakistanis would not suffer massive inflation due to cheap gas and wheat from Russia.. and more importantly we would have been out of USA's clutch forever. A good thing

Why should Russia supply you with cheap oil and wheat ? Do you realize oil prices now are below the prices at the beginning of the Ukraine war ?

And the main point was Pakistan was doing economically well under him, in all aspects even during the COVID-19 times.

The economy was growing at 6.1%, that translated to growth in all sectors.

It maybe had something to do with all the debt rescheduled during COVID-19.

 

[VkdIndian]

People who don't lie expect others as not lying, contrary to a liar who will think that the other person is also a liar.

No. It is not like this in diplomacy. If someone doesn’t want to engage in diplomacy and wants to be like a monk, then he needs to be a monk and not become a politicians.

Imran Khan is just to simple minded and at times naive.

That is his problem. If he aspires to rule a nation and take it ahead, then he has to play the game, the way it is played and not what he thinks. I don’t think that he didn’t know this, contrary to what you are claiming. It is just that he was played and he lost the game.

But he is pro Pakistan to extreme, honest, truthful, passionate about country, incorruptible, very hard working, pro meritocracy, against kleptocracy, not a hypocrite, have never rewarded any friend or relatives, open minded and intelligent.

That is true. But he didn’t choose his team properly. They failed him. He has to take the responsibility for this failure, since he was at the helm.

And many of the sage, intelligent people are simple and naive, naive in other things, not street smart.

That’s very true. Such people shouldn’t join politics. They join a good university and teach. If they join politics, then they have to know it’s vagaries and can’t hide behind being naive and simple. Your nations fate was in question and naivety can’t be the reason for it’s failure.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

. It is not like this in diplomacy. If someone doesn’t want to engage in diplomacy and wants to be like a monk, then he needs to be a monk and not become a politicians.

Yes true, he is not a politician, not the new politician on the block, people have high regard for him as a leader of sorts, all and every politician in the country are united against him.

People knew he is not our standard political class person.

And people thought this would be a good thing looking at the corruption and nepotism of zardari and sharifs.

He is very stubborn for good or for bad.

And an idealist, and very independent and against slavery disguised as good relations, against being subservient, his famous repeated saying Ghulam sirf accha Ghulam hota hai, and the Rumi quote, why you people are chained to grounds when the God has given you wings to fly higher.

And that anyone can achieve greatness by going higher, having bigger goals, can achieve anything what you can picture it in the mind.

Many other quotes he quoted.

 

[The Accountant]

But, but, but.... Imran Khan himself said Bajwa was Super King during his tenure and made all the decisions and Imran was merely his servant, so how did Imran manage to override Bajwa's wishes , that too related to a military matter. And even if he managed to do such a himakat, why didn't the US and Bajwa immediately topple his government?

All the details of that meeting available only if u read ...

Imran khan decision also get support from Joint Chief and PAF chief and Bajwa was alone so couldnt do much ...

 

[N.Siddiqui]

That is his problem. If he aspires to rule a nation and take it ahead, then he has to play the game, the way it is played and not what he thinks. I don’t think that he didn’t know this, contrary to what you are claiming. It is just that he was played and he lost the game.

He accepted it openly.

He said he misunderstood the military establishment.

And military establishment misunderstood him as well, IK added.

Alluding to the fact that establishment will work against corruption with him, the government, and corrupt people like Shahbaz becoming PM is out of question as establishment will not allow this.

And establishment misunderstood him as they thought IK will wither away, go into oblivion, out of political scene.

A comedy of errors.

All the details of that meeting available only if u read ...

Imran khan decision also get support from Joint Chief and PAF chief and Bajwa was alone so couldnt do much ...

CJCSC is the operational head and all Air force, Navy and Military op cohesion is done by him, I guess.

The current one Sahir Shamshad is the person, the chairman joint chief of staff commitee.

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Mody should be thankful to Imran Khan because Imran Khan gave him big political boost despite failure in war. Mody promised that he will bring back pilot within 24 hours, Imran Khan helped him to keep his promise, optics were very bad, Shah Mehmood Qureshi's foreign office sent a lady to deliver Abhinandan on border.

 

[Areesh]

Pajeets are again showing their low IQ on this thread

WTF man!!!

 

[N.Siddiqui]

It is an axiom of practical politics never to believe anything until it has been officially denied.

US and India denying it...

Mody should be thankful to Imran Khan because Imran Khan gave him big political boost despite failure in war. Mody promised that he will bring back pilot within 24 hours, Imran Khan helped him to keep his promise, optics were very bad, Shah Mehmood Qureshi's foreign office sent a lady to deliver Abhinandan on border.

It's basically Bajwa, tangeein kaanp Rahi theein, maathay per paseena tha.

Bullies are cowards, so are the traitors.

 

[VkdIndian]

A nation is judged as a whole by the outsiders and not in segments. PM was good but Foreign minister was bad, Army was bad but PAF was good etc etc are meaningless. A decision that affects the entire nation is reflective of the collective decision making. It can go both ways.

The overall outcome is what is judged by everyone. Whose legs were shaking and whose forehead was sweating is of little consequence.

It was the IK’s government that released Abhi within 24 hrs. The decision has to be borne by everyone including IK.

All the aspects regarding his release should have been analysed and then only the step taken. Now claiming agar aisa hota to waisa hota ……. is all claims in thin air and no base.

Jab karna tha to kiya nahin aur ab badi badi baaten?

 

[my2cents]

Imagine the people of a country giving its army so much, basically full control of all internal and foreign affairs and a massive chunk of the budget..... all because we needed them to be strong enough to face an 8x bigger enemy and to liberate Kashmir. Then watch the army lose every war, engage in political engineering, infiltrate every institution in Pakistan, and establish vast business interests both internally and internationally. Watch them take dollars while doing the bidding of US, causing thousands of poor soldiers and people to suffer. To make matters worse little of that money actually went into the economy, instead it ended up in pockets and overseas bank accounts of corrupt bastard generals and their underlings.

Meanwhile watch that enemy beat you in every aspect and every forum. India is excelling at a dramatic pace, I would argue India after Israel might be biggest strategic ally to US going forward, especially in the region. Look at how successful Indian lobby is in the US. There is a very real chance, the next President of USA will be a Indian origin in Vivek.

Pakistan is truly a sad example of a country. 70 years of duffers have slowly been killing the country from the inside...there is no hope in this country, only despair. It will be much worse going forward now that US has no need for Pakistan. If you have the means... Pakistan sy zinda baag. I would say to take to the streets and make examples out of those who share blame for causing people to suffer...but that will never happen. We are cuck quom, who would rather commit suicide then face our oppressors

As long they make you believe, India as your kaffir enemy, your army will make you think, they are the momin farishta who will liberate you. In the process they will continue to grow powerful. IK is good for Pakistan and is your only choice.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

A nation is judged as a whole by the outsiders and not in segments. PM was good but Foreign minister was bad, Army was bad but PAF was good etc etc are meaningless. A decision that affects the entire nation is reflective of the collective decision making. It can go both ways.

It's mostly in bits and pieces, not some blanket approval or stereotyping the whole nation.

Like judging India by Modi and BJP, the Hindutvadis and Hindutva reign hegemon gives us the bad vibes, the Babri mosque desecration, the Gujrat riots and killings, the Beef related killings of 44 Muslims gives bad vibes the world over.

Similarly the 166 people killed in Manipur recently, mostly Christians killed by rampaging Hindu extremists mob, The earlier killings of Christians in Odissha, many more. Can all of India and Indians be judged by these acts of mayhem and killings.

Stereotyping the people and the country is churlish. India has many times more fault lines and less tolerance than Pakistan in many pockets, but judging the whole country and all people is futile and devoid of any sense and sensibilities.

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

It is an axiom of practical politics never to believe anything until it has been officially denied.

US and India denying it...


It's basically Bajwa, tangeein kaanp Rahi theein, maathay per paseena tha.

Bullies are cowards, so are the traitors.

Yes, Bajwa was super king of Imran Khan, but it was Imran Khan who was desperate to give Khush-khabri to Modi but Modi was not picking up the phone:

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Yes, Bajwa was super king of Imran Khan, but it was Imran Khan who was desperate to give Khush-khabri to Modi but Modi was not picking up the phone:

What is your point here exactly, according to Geneva rule about POW's pilots have to be released within a stipulated period of time.

And that was also a goodwill CBM measure, like slap hard but later be lenient and show goodwill and compassion.

Ho Halqa-e-Yaran To Baresham Ki Tarah Naram
Razm-e-Haq-o-Batil Ho To Foulad Hai Momin