If Sharia were enforced, TTP would abide by Constitution: Prof Ibrahim

[Dubious]

If the Pakistani law prohibits us from praying peacefully then you really think there can be a debate with people who resort to physical attacks because they cannot defend their own faith through dialogue.

Whose talking about Pakistanis...I said an open debate to clarify any misconceptions who is saying it needs to take place in Pakistan?!

dont start it im telling you...it will get dirty here.....maybe you wouldnt but some weirdoz here will declare each other kafir etc....its a sensitive matter.....let all have their own following...and beliefs.....Pakistan has become a very intolerant society over the years....you havent visited Pakistan recently so you dont know how things are here....once you visit,you will be surprised!

No @Marshmallow I havent visited Pakistan nor do I visit Mullah brain washed people...I dont understand why does everyone address Pakistan by equating every person in that Land as a Mullah..we do have other people who are interested like you and me...

That is a lie. Ahmadi are banned from saying Asalammoalykum, building mosques and pretty much anything that looks remotely similar to ''sarkari'' momineen.

Can you show me this written please

That is a lie. Ahmadi are banned from saying Asalammoalykum, building mosques and pretty much anything that looks remotely similar to ''sarkari'' momineen.

Dear God...I only watched some 1 min plus and even I can tell how much mirch masalah that is...

1stly, they clearly stated you have a massiah in the 19th century...So I am sorry to say that violates the basics...

secondly the lady just had to ad they preach non violence...many have paid for these believes with their lives (other Muslims preach violence?) if you have people advocating such crap who is going to listen such a documentary? How about if it said these are the Sunnis and they preach non violence...

BTW, its not just in Pakistan that Ahmadi are not considered true Muslims...

Man seriously try getting some neutral person to do the talking!

 

[My-Analogous]

I have a few maulvis in my office. Allah bachaye, biddat this biddat that. Yaar yeh maulvi pani na peene dein koi biddat mardein inka bas chaley to.

Plus you a maulvan then



It can be good to limit Army's involvement in Politics. Plus nothing is better than Islam.

I have a solution for you and i did the same thing to my self and now i can kill any mulvi statement in any time i want. Improve your knowledge in Islam. Trust me 90% of mulvi knowledge is start from Fatiha and end with Biryani. I hate these creatures and respect only Mufti's.

 

[Dubious]

And simply saying Hello doesnt land anyone in anything...If these are your sources than good luck stay in fear!

 

[KingMamba]

I agree, with the amount of ignorance, blind hate and aggression on display already - it would be mayhem, stadiums will turn into slaughter houses for the infidel and mad mullahs would run rampant labeling anyone infidel and worthy of qatl as they fit.

Mullahs are waiting for this because they know they can and will hijack it.

The Talibans probably consider you folks as munafiq too. For outsiders it is very confusing. So get the "real" Sharia. I fail to understand what's stopping you-- an Islamic country--almost 100% Muslim population--majority of the population favor Sharia.

Yeah Taliban claims all those who do not support them are Munafiqs. All the more reason they need to be wiped out.

 

[Dubious]

I have said this before. Everyone has a right to disagree but parliament and corrupt mullahs deciding who is Muslim or not is a dangerous road. First Ahmadis were kafir, today Shia are kafir. Next is your turn.

And that is fear talking

I have a solution for you and i did the same thing to my self and now i can kill any mulvi statement in any time i want. Improve your knowledge in Islam. Trust me 90% of mulvi knowledge is start from Fatiha and end with Biryani. I hate these creatures and respect only Mufti's.

reminded me of @Armstrong

BTW, yup that is the way...I get irritated when people tell me this and that without suggesting their sources!

 

[Informant]

And that is fear talking


reminded me of @Armstrong

BTW, yup that is the way...I get irritated when people tell me this and that without suggesting their sources!

Al Bakistan zameen of al musalman fi kullu antum thekedaraaan.

 

[Dubious]

Al Bakistan zameen of al musalman fi kullu antum thekedaraaan.

Do you even know what you said ?

 

[Informant]

Do you even know what you said ?

ana kalm arabi shui shui

inti kalm arabi?

 

[Dubious]

ana kalm arabi shui shui

inti kalm arabi?

Just a bit...I took it for 1 yr in Uni..

 

[Jaanbaz]

And simply saying Hello doesnt land anyone in anything...If these are your sources than good luck stay in fear!

Ordinance XX followed in 1984, with the following changes to the PPC:

298-B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places:

(1) Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation- (a) refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ameer-ul-Mumineen", "Khalifatul- Mumineen", Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen", "Sahaabi" or "Razi Allah Anho"; (b) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ummul-Mumineen"; (c) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family "Ahle-bait" of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ahle-bait"; or (d) refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship a "Masjid"; shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine. (2) Any person of the Qadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves "Ahmadis" or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as "Azan", or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

298-C. Person of Qadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:

Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.
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[Informant]

Just a bit...I took it for 1 yr in Uni..

sshukh bar? fy ayyi saff fil inti?

 

[Jaanbaz]

298-C. Person of Qadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:
Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

So only ''official'' Muslims have religious feelings? So its okay to ridicule minorities and their beliefs. Amazing even Socrates is turning in his grave at this logic.

 

[Dubious]

Ordinance XX followed in 1984, with the following changes to the PPC:

298-B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places:

(1) Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation- (a) refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ameer-ul-Mumineen", "Khalifatul- Mumineen", Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen", "Sahaabi" or "Razi Allah Anho"; (b) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ummul-Mumineen"; (c) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family "Ahle-bait" of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as "Ahle-bait"; or (d) refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship a "Masjid"; shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine. (2) Any person of the Qadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves "Ahmadis" or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as "Azan", or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

298-C. Person of Qadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:

Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.
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Ok...1stly, This was in 1984...during marshall law times...no where does it say it will / should continue...

2ndly lets say it is still valid, it says fine no where does it say go kill the person...

Lastly, if you preach you go to prison...not where does it say kill...

sshukh bar? fy ayyi saff fil inti?

Dear God I took it for 1 yr some 6-7 yrs ago and I for sure cant read it in short no long form?

So only ''official'' Muslims have religious feelings? So its okay to ridicule minorities and their beliefs. Amazing even Socrates is turning in his grave at this logic.

Well, I dont support it but I dont see the killing bit...which everyone keeps yelling about...

 

[Jaanbaz]

Ok...1stly, This was in 1984...during marshall law times...no where does it say it will / should continue...
2ndly lets say it is still valid, it says fine no where does it say go kill the person...
Lastly, if you preach you go to prison...not where does it say kill...

This law still applies and will probably stay judging by the ignorance and hatred that exists in Pakistani society.
You seriously need to start reading more news and keep an eye on current affairs in Pakistan. So all the Ahmadis martyred was for joke? These are the same laws the mullah parties fought hard to bring. Bhutto bent over to Mullahs first then Zia turned out to be a mullah himself.

What's funny is that everyone cries about discrimination of Muslims in Europe yet you people are defending discriminatory laws.

Well, I dont support it but I dont see the killing bit...which everyone keeps yelling about...

These laws all ready make life hard for Ahmadis then we have arm chair professionals who are not ready to believe that Ahmadis are killed because of these discriminatory laws. These laws give free hand, go ahead persecute minorities the State will protect you. So people take it further and start killing minorities. So tell do these laws not encourage murder?

 

[Dubious]

This law still applies and will probably stay judging by the ignorance and hatred that exists in Pakistani society.
You seriously need to start reading more news and keep an eye on current affairs in Pakistan. So all the Ahmadis martyred was for joke? These are the same laws the mullah parties fought hard to bring. Bhutto bent over to Mullahs first then Zia turned out to be a mullah himself.

What's funny is that everyone cries about discrimination of Muslims in Europe yet you people are defending discriminatory laws.

I dont read Pakistani news esp not those from 1984...

I also dont read any news coz every news is full of mirch masalah in 1 way or another distorted ....

Lastly, I am not defending anyone...Interest in knowing something doesnt mean defending...