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If Pakistan launched surgical strikes, India would remember for generations to come: Gen Raheel

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What was he supposed to do? Invade a nuclear nation? Fight a war where thousands would have died on both sides. Millions by millions if we include nuclear weapons. Do you even know what war is? Have you any idea? Or support freedom fighters ( we are already doing that as our PM and COAS has said it). Raise this issue to the world. We have done that even on the highest of the platforms. What Else? Work towards talks? We have concentrated again and again and again but India doesn't want to talk on this issue without conditions. What else? Present solutions.

Keep on whining then. You are not going to get Kashmir this way. Saying Kashmir is our Jugular vein aint going to make any difference. We will have to fight for our right. This is the reason why I said all hot gas. He talked about corruption, did he do anything about it ? Big fat No. Kashmir Issue is still there and nothing has changed at all.
 
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Wohahaa..good one general u really raped indians today..lol I'm sure before his retirement he will do a surgical strike ..let's see what they have in there stores which we don't have
 
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Ohh dear, so you accept you did Parliament, Mumbai & Uri, finally there is a Pakistani who isn't in the slumber of denial.

oh so were just waiting for our acceptance, how noble of you
 
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Keep on whining then.

Being realistic is not whining. You are the one that is acting immature. Would you attack without weighing the consequences and the response. Would you bring and reign fire upon yourself and upon them. Would you bring famine and nuclear radiation and the truth that if we fight a full fledged war there won't be a Kashmir to free. Think about war and the capacity of both armies and their capabilities.
You are not going to get Kashmir this way.

We will not get it through war either. There won't be a Kashmir to get nor an India or pakistan to be for Kashmir to be with.

It will happen, if it ever happens through talks. The most realistic is the musharraf model. It is the only solution to this issue.

Saying Kashmir is our Jugular vein aint going to make any difference.


But only the difference that we assert our claim. No different for them as they say atoot ang but an assertion of claim. No more. No less.

We will have to fight for our right.

And kashmiris do and we support them but war will only bring death on them and us and on our enemies. After 74 and 98 war was no longer a solution. There are other ways to fight for your right. War will not help. Never ask for it from your comfort.

This is the reason why I said all hot gas. He talked about corruption, did he do anything about it ?

It was never his job to do anything about corruption. Corruption is not under army control. Its under civilian control and if we can't even take care of corruption. Or have the common sense to not vote in corrupt elements then we are truly damned and doomed. If we are to have a prosperous pakistan then we ourselves must create safeguards against corruption. The first step is not voting in people who are corrupt. Showcase to these rulers that they are answerable. There is an entire thread about this where this was discussed in detail.
Kashmir Issue is still there and nothing has changed at all.

Hmm. The world has changed. When he was sworn in. Terrorism was everywhere. Every day bombings. Lahore was being targeted. Capitals were being targeted. Pakistan economy was in the pitfalls and the world had branded our fate similar to Afghanistan and Syria.

It was he who started operation zarb e azb. The operation that saw such massive reduction in terrorism which led to a project like China pakistan economic corridor to happen in pakistan. It was due to that reduction and targeting that saw FATA become peaceful.

It was through him that saw baluch terrorists become nearly extinct. Weak and near death.

It was through his dilligance that saw Karachi our largest city plagued by terrorism and crime become a peaceful city which can run its economy..

Is this nothing? Have you not noticed this or do you only dream about pakistan army entering Srinagar or Delhi and Indian army running away without using even a bullet and throwing their nuclear stockpile away.

Concentrate on this and the effects of his operation and you will realize his feat was not ordinary in any sense when nations can't lower their deaths from terrorism.

Unbelievable.
 
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We learn and our Army is better than yours.
Thats why maleeha lodi is in UN begging to stop india from retaliating on loc..
Two months ago u guys were provoking indian army, when border skirmishes started and both side started to suffer,your maleeha lodi is in UN to ask for peace not any indian..our army is ready for both full or small war ,if ur army is ready why calling UN now?? U guys always run for UN and later accuse that bcz of heavy losses indians run to UN for peace.. :)
 
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Being realistic is not whining. You are the one that is acting immature. Would you attack without weighing the consequences and the response. Would you bring and reign fire upon yourself and upon them. Would you bring famine and nuclear radiation and the truth that if we fight a full fledged war there won't be a Kashmir to free. Think about war and the capacity of both armies and their capabilities.

If you are realistic then stop sending poor chaps to die in Kashmir. We both know how we do it.

We will not get it through war either. There won't be a Kashmir to get nor an India or pakistan to be for Kashmir to be with.

It will happen, if it ever happens through talks. The most realistic is the musharraf model. It is the only solution to this issue.

If we cannot get it on war then we cannot get it on table either. We are talking from last 70 odd years and we all have seen we are back to square one. You cannot ask a bigger country and that too with very much big economy to toe to your line. Even West or UN is not going to or will never ever interfere in it.

But only the difference that we assert our claim. No different for them as they say atoot ang but an assertion of claim. No more. No less.

Keep on claiming, it does not make a difference to them or the world if you cannot do anything.

And kashmiris do and we support them but war will only bring death on them and us and on our enemies. After 74 and 98 war was no longer a solution. There are other ways to fight for your right. War will not help. Never ask for it from your comfort.

They are dying anyways and so do poor mujaheedins from our end. What are the other options, please do let us know. Please dont share your ideas of next 3 decades.

It was never his job to do anything about corruption. Corruption is not under army control. Its under civilian control and if we can't even take care of corruption. Or have the common sense to not vote in corrupt elements then we are truly damned and doomed. If we are to have a prosperous pakistan then we ourselves must create safeguards against corruption. The first step is not voting in people who are corrupt. Showcase to these rulers that they are answerable. There is an entire thread about this where this was discussed in detail.

If it was not his job then he should have never talked about it. It is there on records and I am ready to present it to you.

Hmm. The world has changed. When he was sworn in. Terrorism was everywhere. Every day bombings. Lahore was being targeted. Capitals were being targeted. Pakistan economy was in the pitfalls and the world had branded our fate similar to Afghanistan and Syria.

It was he who started operation zarb e azb. The operation that saw such massive reduction in terrorism which led to a project like China pakistan economic corridor to happen in pakistan. It was due to that reduction and targeting that saw FATA become peaceful.

It was through him that saw baluch terrorists become nearly extinct. Weak and near death.

It was through his dilligance that saw Karachi our largest city plagued by terrorism and crime become a peaceful city which can run its economy..

Is this nothing? Have you not noticed this or do you only dream about pakistan army entering Srinagar or Delhi and Indian army running away without using even a bullet and throwing their nuclear stockpile away.

Concentrate on this and the effects of his operation and you will realize his feat was not ordinary in any sense when nations can't lower their deaths from terrorism.

Unbelievable.

Lahore was never a target as LEJ and LET are bron and brought by Noora only. They support it. They requested Taliban not to target Punjab and was very lenient with them.


I agree with most of the things you wrote but if that is the truth then we must leave Kashmiris to their fate and stop sacrificing our people for the sake of Kashmir which we are not going to get through War or on table according to you.
 
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