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If Germany had not lost World War I, would the world be a better place?

The ottoman empire was called the sick man of Europe. Because it had fallen behind in every aspect and was living in the past. Corruption and lack of freedom of thought ruined it... Muslim Empires were known for their openess and willingness to adopt to new realities... instead they fell back and did a injustice to the "ummah" ... in the subcontinent the muslims blindly supported the turks while the Arabs resented their ruthlessness.

When Europe was under the darkness that time ottoman caliphate was passing their golden era. Now why ( Western) says the word, SICK MAN> let's find it out..


Because it was the only European country to lose territory in the 19th and early 20th century.This question leads us to the overwhelming answer which is Ottoman caliphate is known as the Empire of Tolerance. Armenians tried to take advantage of the worst time during the history of the caliphate. They were, therefore, transported into Syria. That is all! to Freank---- You should never underestimate us. Simply logic does not apply to international affairs. If you searched what Armenians want, you would not tell " they do not want money " Fortunately, Turks are not as " naive and stupid " as some fellow foreigners. Furthermore, of course there were revolts, and Ottoman caliphate put down the revolts by the use of military force against rebellions, " NOT AGAINST CIVILIANS ". Hamidiye regiments were established for preventing the Armenian terrorism as Armenian terrorists attacked Turkish villages, and slaughtered innocent people. Edit : To Frank, If this is your definition of being slave, you must know everybody were slaves during that part of history. Did Turks has any privilege? Not at all. International politics always change, but Turkey has never hesitated to do whatever has been needed being done. Whatever it takes, Turkey does it, and you must know that too.

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Had we won the war first of all those Balkan terrorists would have been crushed (serbian nationalists to this day still worship princip) which would have avoided the Yugoslav wars of secession in the 1990s preventing the deaths of multiple Croatians, Bosnian Muslims & Albanians in Kosovo (although the last is debatable as the Albanian majority only came because of Enver Hoxha's purges & crackdowns). the ottoman empire would have survived & rebounded from it's stagnation due to the oil boom (in addition with the ottomans in full strength there would have been no Zionist-Jewish state in Palestine ensuring the M.E would be every bit as prosperous as Europe), without Hitler & the commies rising to power & under German leadership i think eastern Europe would also have been much better off.
the British empire would have also fully lost it's former image of an unbreakable empire would would have likely lead to nationalist movements throughout the empire to gain Independence. France would still go through a depression & would still want to go to war with Germany over Alsace-Lorraine.
& without world war 2 65 million or so people would have survived
All in all yes it would be a better world. However to say it would be perfect wouldn't be true.. I imagine there would still be a pacific war with japan of some sort, the communists in Russia unless fully toppled would still carry out their monstrosities & the Austro-Hungarian empire would likely go into civil war after WW1 due to the Balkan & Slavic nationalists partnered with the death of kaiser Franz Josef in 1916. that said a prosperous middle east & the protection of the German monarchy would be well worth it.


The Ottoman Empire was very dependent on different European countries. It was going through many difficulties, and was having a hard time advancing as an empire. This dependency led to many other problems in the region.
The European countries it relied on took advance of its dependence, with many exorbitant loans and interests, and helped lead to its decline and eventual downfall.It really shows how much you know of history of your country! Its a very complex question and mixing everything together, a whole book should discuss the answer! I know you can't find these kind of books in the most free republic of our world, Turkey. But these books study exactly your answer. Istanbul and civilization of Ottoman caliphate (Bernard Lewis) The Armenian Genocide (Esmaeel Raeen) (Second one written by an Iranian writer) sorry I couldn't type it all!
 
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hitler had killed a lot of Muslims too.

Dont know where you got that information from; but Hitler was very sympathetic and supportive of Muslims. Many Muslims served in the German Army.

Here is one of his quotes - "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that religion which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
 
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When Europe was under the darkness that time ottoman caliphate was passing their golden era. Now why ( Western) says the word, SICK MAN> let's find it out..


Because it was the only European country to lose territory in the 19th and early 20th century.This question leads us to the overwhelming answer which is Ottoman caliphate is known as the Empire of Tolerance. Armenians tried to take advantage of the worst time during the history of the caliphate. They were, therefore, transported into Syria. That is all! to Freank---- You should never underestimate us. Simply logic does not apply to international affairs. If you searched what Armenians want, you would not tell " they do not want money " Fortunately, Turks are not as " naive and stupid " as some fellow foreigners. Furthermore, of course there were revolts, and Ottoman caliphate put down the revolts by the use of military force against rebellions, " NOT AGAINST CIVILIANS ". Hamidiye regiments were established for preventing the Armenian terrorism as Armenian terrorists attacked Turkish villages, and slaughtered innocent people. Edit : To Frank, If this is your definition of being slave, you must know everybody were slaves during that part of history. Did Turks has any privilege? Not at all. International politics always change, but Turkey has never hesitated to do whatever has been needed being done. Whatever it takes, Turkey does it, and you must know that out..


When Europe was under the darkness that time ottoman caliphate was passing their golden era. Now why ( Western) says the word, SICK MAN> let's find it out..

Yes, i agree with you. But towards the end of the ottoman empire... it was on the sick bed... since 1900s
 
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North Africa.. He was no friend of the "sub races"
Afrika Korps was the German force fighting in N.Africa Rommel was it's commander now even the British soldiers even to this day agrees that Rommel was a great General he treated his POW's with respect he even treated the injured pow's. Many Muslims fought in Waffen SS
 
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I think u have no idea about the ref point means what. No offence. When i wrote Ref- Internet . It means i collected info from internet. Also add my point of view. if i add my view or analysis, then i write ......bla bla bla and edited. when u upload a pic, then y u just copy the image address? it doesn't go against forum rules?

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No It would not have been a better place, German's first war was imperialism.
There second war was against jews and imperialism.

Imperialists does not stop at their first victory, remember Soviets?
Racists does not stop after exterminating their first enemy race, hitler had killed a lot of Muslims too.

If Germany had won the war we would today have a much more hatred-filled, racist and tyrant USA.

there was nothing imperialistic about WW1 for your information. the Austrian heir was murdered by a Serbian Balkan terrorist (ironically the same ones later started killing muslims). austria asked the serbs politely to allow a joint police investigation into the black hand & the Serbian government refused (because most of their generals & many politicans supported the black hand)
the Russians refused to allow Austria to pressure the Serbs into the investigation & the french backed the russians out of their hate of Germany. the Brits then declared war after Germany went through Belgium to attack the french which were about to attack both through Belgium (with permission from the king of Belgium) & Alsace-Lorraine.
any & all guilt should rest upon the government of serbia for it's support of terrorism against Austria, the french for their support for Russia & Russia for it's support of the Serbian government in-spite of the fact that the Serbs supported a terrorist attack upon a foreign country. Berlin did nothing but fulfill it's defensive pact with Vienna.
"more hateful USA' ha, how exactly did you come to this conclusion?
 
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Yes, i agree with you. But towards the end of the ottoman empire... it was on the sick bed... since 1900s

Israel and French foreign minister went to sultan abdul hamid 2nd in 1915. They offered huge money for Israel. Sultan abdul hamid replied- I am not going to give one inch of palestine to the jews. as long palestine is not mine to give. it belongs to the ummah. i will rather shit my blood fisher up palestine for free. one day palestine will be your , but as long as i m alive, i am not giving one inch of palestine.

In 1900, Ottoman caliphate 's capital was estanbul. And by the western conspirecy other Providences was getting weak. But the main thing- capital was up of rod. But in 1924 caliphate demolished by kamal ata turk. AAP party holder. What Erdogan is now following.
 
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When Europe was under the darkness that time ottoman caliphate was passing their golden era. Now why ( Western) says the word, SICK MAN> let's find it out..


Because it was the only European country to lose territory in the 19th and early 20th century.This question leads us to the overwhelming answer which is Ottoman caliphate is known as the Empire of Tolerance. Armenians tried to take advantage of the worst time during the history of the caliphate. They were, therefore, transported into Syria. That is all! to Freank---- You should never underestimate us. Simply logic does not apply to international affairs. If you searched what Armenians want, you would not tell " they do not want money " Fortunately, Turks are not as " naive and stupid " as some fellow foreigners. Furthermore, of course there were revolts, and Ottoman caliphate put down the revolts by the use of military force against rebellions, " NOT AGAINST CIVILIANS ". Hamidiye regiments were established for preventing the Armenian terrorism as Armenian terrorists attacked Turkish villages, and slaughtered innocent people. Edit : To Frank, If this is your definition of being slave, you must know everybody were slaves during that part of history. Did Turks has any privilege? Not at all. International politics always change, but Turkey has never hesitated to do whatever has been needed being done. Whatever it takes, Turkey does it, and you must know that too.




The Ottoman Empire was very dependent on different European countries. It was going through many difficulties, and was having a hard time advancing as an empire. This dependency led to many other problems in the region.
The European countries it relied on took advance of its dependence, with many exorbitant loans and interests, and helped lead to its decline and eventual downfall.It really shows how much you know of history of your country! Its a very complex question and mixing everything together, a whole book should discuss the answer! I know you can't find these kind of books in the most free republic of our world, Turkey. But these books study exactly your answer. Istanbul and civilization of Ottoman caliphate (Bernard Lewis) The Armenian Genocide (Esmaeel Raeen) (Second one written by an Iranian writer) sorry I couldn't type it all!
".It really shows how much you know of history of your country!" im not turkish.
also yes the ottoman's had dependencies on european nations however if it held together this would eventually turn around. oil is a powerful export for a country in the interwar period
 
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Sometimes we have not enough tym for that dear brother- I will try to memorize ur suggestion. By the way- u r 20% right in this case. other 80% is on my favor. For realizing this fact no need any advocate.

".It really shows how much you know of history of your country!" im not turkish.
also yes the ottoman's had dependencies on european nations however if it held together this would eventually turn around. oil is a powerful export for a country in the interwar period

I am not turkish too. But i know my identity. watch this video-


Mehmet slaughtered many of the population and forced the rest into exile, later repopulating the city by importing people from elsewhere in Ottoman territory.

Mehmet renamed Constantinople Istanbul – the 'city of Islam' - and set about rebuilding it, both physically and politically, as his capital.

Economics
Istanbul became not only a political and military capital, but because of its position at the junction of Europe, Africa, and Asia, one of the great trade centres of the world. Another important city was Bursa, which was a centre of the silk trade.

Some of the later Ottoman conquests were clearly intended to give them control of other trade routes.

Among the goods traded were:

  • Silk and other cloth
  • Musk
  • Rhubarb
  • Porcelain from China
  • Spices such as pepper
  • Dyestuffs such as indigo
The economic strength of the Empire also owed much to Mehmet's policy of increasing the number of traders and artisans in the Empire.

He first encouraged merchants to move to Istanbul, and later forcibly resettled merchants from captured territories such as Caffa.

He also encouraged Jewish traders from Europe to migrate to Istanbul and set up in business there. Later rulers continued these policies.

The siege of Constantinople
When Sultan Mehmet II rode into the city of Constantinople on a white horse in 1453, it marked the end of a thousand years of the Byzantine Empire. Earlier attempts to capture the city had largely failed - so why did the Ottomans succeed this time? What effect did the fall of Constantinople have on the rest of the Christian world?

Roger Crowley, author and historian; Judith Herrin, Professor of Late Antique and Byzantine Studies at King's College London; and Colin Imber, formerly Reader in Turkish at Manchester University discuss these questions.

Effects of the fall of Constantinople
The capture of Constantinople ended the Byzantine Empire after 1100 years. The effect of this on Christian Europe was enormous.

One unexpected effect was that many scholars fled from the new empire and went to Italy, where they were influential in sparking off the Renaissance, and increasing trade with the east.

Although the Pope demanded a crusade to recapture Istanbul from the Muslims, the Christian nations failed to produce an army for him, and no attempt to retake the city was made.

The Muslim dominance of the trading centre of the former Constantinople increased the pressure on Western nations to find new ways to the East by going westwards. This eventually led to the expeditions of Columbus, Magellan, and Drake.

Decline

The power of the empire was waning by 1683 when the second and last attempt was made to conquer Vienna. It failed. Without the conquest of Europe and the acquisition of significant new wealth the Empire lost momentum and went into a slow decline.

Several other factors contributed to the Empire's decline:

The European powers wanted to expand
Economic problems
Competition from trade from the Americas
Competition from cheap products from India and the Far East
Development of other trade routes
Rising unemployment within the Empire
Ottoman Empire became less centralised, and central control weakened
Sultans being less severe in maintaining rigorous standards of integrity in the adminstration of the Empire
Sultans becoming less sensitive to public opinion
The low quality Sultans of the 17th and 18th centuries
The ending of the execution of Sultan's sons and brothers, imprisoning them instead
This apparently humane process led to men becoming Sultan after spending years in prison - not the best training for absolute power
Flag of Turkey with view of Suleymaniye Mosque, Istanbul Kemal Ataturk created a new modern identity ©
Soon the very word Turk became synonymous with treachery and cruelty. This led Turks like Kemal Ataturk, who was born late in the nineteenth century, to be repelled by the Ottoman Turkish political system and the culture it had evolved. Seeing little but decay and corruption, he led the Turks to create a new modern identity.

The empire officially ended on the 1st November 1922, when the Ottoman sultanate was abolished and Turkey was declared a republic. The Ottoman caliphate continued as an institution, with greatly reduced authority, until it too was abolished on the 3rd March 1924.
 
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Sometimes we have not enough tym for that dear brother- I will try to memorize ur suggestion. By the way- u r 20% right in this case. other 80% is on my favor. For realizing this fact no need any advocate.

Not a plausible explanation that you copied the whole article or news but didn't have time to mention the link to the source of original writing for the ease of readers.
You have to adopt a proper way and that's not my suggestion but this is the forum rule that I am trying to help you to understand. The rest, choice is yours.
 
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Sometimes we have not enough tym for that dear brother- I will try to memorize ur suggestion. By the way- u r 20% right in this case. other 80% is on my favor. For realizing this fact no need any advocate.



I am not turkish too. But i know my identity. watch this video-

first Iran was never part of the ottoman empire or of the british empire, Iran was an independent state under british influence.
second India was not part of the ottoman empire either, it was the Mughal empire & a few Hindu states in the southern parts of India.
third Egypt was ruled by a turkic dynasty under official ottoman suziery but was under british influence (with the exception of the suez canal which was part of the british empire).
Kamal was not a British puppet & literally fought every single European power of note except the USSR & Germany during the Turkish war of Independence (Britain included). he did make a secular republic yes but not because britain wanted it, he did it because it was what he wanted.
Although the removal of the arabic script was rather ill in my opinion, he did managed to educate his populous with the Latin script whereas in ottoman times almost nobody knew how to read or write.
 
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Not a plausible explanation that you copied the whole article or news but didn't have time to mention the link to the source of original writing for the ease of readers.
You have to adopt a proper way and that's not my suggestion but this is the forum rule that I am trying to help you to understand. The rest, choice is yours.


I thought ur giving me command. i used to run many forum once upon a time. So i know rules and regulations. Ofcourse i shouldn't violate any rules. but by mistake if it happens. Everybody should take it commonly. I am a writer- But nowdays i dn't want to write , Just see my concept is okay with the info or not . if not then i add my concept over there.

As i said b4- i will memorize ur conversation, it means i got it , means i understood, means ur point to be noted. Thanks for helping me.
 
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Ottoman caliphate was their nightmare. For destroying that caliphate IHUDI- NASARA did plan for 200 years.

Ottomon empire was a useless coalition. The last so called Khalifa was a corupt imbecile who was just too full of himself. The last khalifa was as big of a tyrant as one can get so all happend for the better in my opnion. Muslim demise started after the fall of Spain so dont try to find glory where there was none.
 
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first Iran was never part of the ottoman empire or of the british empire, Iran was an independent state under british influence.
second India was not part of the ottoman empire either, it was the Mughal empire & a few Hindu states in the southern parts of India.
third Egypt was ruled by a turkic dynasty under official ottoman suziery but was under british influence (with the exception of the suez canal which was part of the british empire).
Kamal was not a British puppet & literally fought every single European power of note except the USSR & Germany during the Turkish war of Independence (Britain included). he did make a secular republic yes but not because britain wanted it, he did it because it was what he wanted.
Although the removal of the arabic script was rather ill in my opinion, he did managed to educate his populous with the Latin script whereas in ottoman times almost nobody knew how to read or write.


Iran was never part of the ottoman empire ?? What ?? are u kidding wid me? In1496 King Henry VII of England, following the successes of Spainand Portugal in overseas exploration, commissioned John Cabot to lead a voyage to discover a route to Asia via the North Atlantic. That time British Empire used to give monthly a limited pound to the ottoman authority (REQUESTED TO STUDY ON THIS ISSUE)

Mughal was by blood trukis. Who conqured Bangla- Ikhtiya- uddin- muhammad bakhtiyar khalji was a trukis. That time mughal empire was just a providence rules on the behalf of ottoman sultan. They worked like Governor.

Now the question is British empire raised when ? Bcz 362–1875 and lastly 1924 more then half of the world under the control of ottoman caliphate.

Kamal ata turk was a british puppet, he promised muslims of turkey if he get the position of caliphate then he will rule the country according to the quran. but when he won, he threw up the concept. added secular democracy, Banned all islamic culture and else. by force he thought latin above of Arabic. And so on. I can write an essay about it.

Now days i dn't trust western historian.

Ottomon empire was a useless coalition. The last so called Khalifa was a corrupt imbecile who was just too full of himself. The last khalifa was as big of a tyrant as one can get so all happend for the better in my opinion. Muslim demise started after the fall of Spain so dont try to find glory where there was none.


Ottoman constitution was not written by ottomans. It was that constitution how Rasul (SAW) ruled madina and after that abu bakar- usman- ali- umar (ra:) yah. after that may be some currupt khalifah came. But ppl of the state never got that burdain. It was internal clash. But country was rulling by the same constitution.

Give me single reference that last khalifah was a corrupt man. When crusedars attacked spain then one man came to help them , The person name was yous- ibn- tasfin. But that time was really bad for we muslims. crusader ought us in every section by their weapon, ladies, drinks. etcs. for destroying the iman.
 
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Iran was never part of the ottoman empire ?? What ?? are u kidding wid me? In1496 King Henry VII of England, following the successes of Spainand Portugal in overseas exploration, commissioned John Cabot to lead a voyage to discover a route to Asia via the North Atlantic. That time British Empire used to give monthly a limited pound to the ottoman authority (REQUESTED TO STUDY ON THIS ISSUE)

Mughal was by blood trukis. Who conqured Bangla- Ikhtiya- uddin- muhammad bakhtiyar khalji was a trukis. That time mughal empire was just a providence rules on the behalf of ottoman sultan. They worked like Governor.

Now the question is British empire raised when ? Bcz 362–1875 and lastly 1924 more then half of the world under the control of ottoman caliphate.

Kamal ata turk was a british puppet, he promised muslims of turkey if he get the position of caliphate then he will rule the country according to the quran. but when he won, he threw up the concept. added secular democracy, Banned all islamic culture and else. by force he thought latin above of Arabic. And so on. I can write an essay about it.

Now days i dn't trust western historian.
no Iran was never part of the ottoman empire. at one time there was a Turkic dynasty ruling in Iran (more then 1 in fact) but they were not ottoman turks & also fought the ottoman's multiple times.
the mughals were turkic however they were not part of the ottoman empire. being a Muslim state did not mean you were part of the ottoman caliphate.
the mughals did technically swear fealty however they were completely Independent from the turks.
 
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