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If an F16 Can Take Out an F35 WVR---Then a JF 17 Can as Well

LOL @MastanKhan for stirring up a hornet's nest

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By the way history is full of examples in which David has beaten Goliath
 
True, that was the designer's intention and ideal scenario. However, with the way things are evolving, it could potentially be pitch against drones, as they are much cheaper and faster to make.
Drones will hunt them down using the BVR missiles. that is the air defence of the future but with detracting ability of drones on the enemy side mimicking the radar signature of the planes it will be a very technical fight.
 
Sir,

Tat is where the catch is---will it pick up.

More reading materials for you sir :lol:

One of the significant new issues raised by the report was the F-35’s difficulty in sustaining energy in close-in maneuvering combat — that is, the energy needed to turn and accelerate. The test pilot found this to be “substantially inferior” to older planes like F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s.

In the tests, the F-35’s maneuverability against the F-16 was so limited that it could only point quickly enough to achieve a missile shot by executing one specific maneuver. But this move consumed so much energy that if the shot failed the F-35 would “ultimately end up defensive again” — which is to say, at the mercy of any opponent.

The report also homed in on flight control problems in the 20 to 26 degrees angle of attack zone, crucial for hard maneuvering. The pilot described the F-35’s computer-controlled flying qualities as “sluggish” for evasive maneuvering and “not intuitive or favorable.”

Everything Wrong With the F-35 — War Is Boring — Medium



but with detracting ability of drones on the enemy side mimicking the radar signature of the planes it will be a very technical fight.

Wars will eventually be fought in similar fashion to playing video games. Interesting time we are living in my friend. :-)
 
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Hi,

The answer is simple---because it is WVR---within visual range----.

Even within WVR, you can NOT obtain a lock on the jet...the radar signals are still looking for the actual location as the wavelengths are scrambled going back to the -16. But the pilot is seeing the -35 in front of him. The only way to get a lock is to use the IR. The guns don't use IR. So the lock is obtained during simulated combat. I wouldn't read too much into these tests as they mean nothing.

These were simple tests, beyond the scope of the -35's flight envelop. Current technology doesn't use guns with IR locks. Guns are radar guided in today's aircraft. The main issue with these tests that got over hyped through the media wasn't that the -16 locked on a -35, it was the fact that the maneuverability of the -35 wasn't exactly matching the -16 its replacing. And its not suppose to either.

But the media hyped it, without knowing that the -35 is NOT a dog fight plane. In fact, I'd be very surprised if 1% of the -35's ever get into a WVR fight even with AIM 9X's. The purpose behind the -22 and the -35 is to form two tiers of stealth and advanced electronics to monitor, control, dominate, and jam the airspace to establish air supremacy; as and when needed.

Once major enemy air assets are taken out, like air defense systems, major air fields, primary defensive top tier fighters, you'll then see -16's, -15's and -18's doing the remainder of the work. And those guys still might see 10-20% of WVR / some dog fighting action.
 
Even within WVR, you can NOT obtain a lock on the jet...the radar signals are still looking for the actual location as the wavelengths are scrambled going back to the -16. But the pilot is seeing the -35 in front of him. The only way to get a lock is to use the IR. The guns don't use IR. So the lock is obtained during simulated combat. I wouldn't read too much into these tests as they mean nothing.

These were simple tests, beyond the scope of the -35's flight envelop. Current technology doesn't use guns with IR locks. Guns are radar guided in today's aircraft. The main issue with these tests that got over hyped through the media wasn't that the -16 locked on a -35, it was the fact that the maneuverability of the -35 wasn't exactly matching the -16 its replacing. And its not suppose to either.

But the media hyped it, without knowing that the -35 is NOT a dog fight plane. In fact, I'd be very surprised if 1% of the -35's ever get into a WVR fight even with AIM 9X's. The purpose behind the -22 and the -35 is to form two tiers of stealth and advanced electronics to monitor, control, dominate, and jam the airspace to establish air supremacy; as and when needed.

Once major enemy air assets are taken out, like air defense systems, major air fields, primary defensive top tier fighters, you'll then see -16's, -15's and -18's doing the remainder of the work. And those guys still might see 10-20% of WVR / some dog fighting action.

Hi,

Thank you for your post---you missed my post # 87 on this subject.
 
Still Better Than Jugaad Fighter Which Only Options For Cash Strap Countries
Jugaad oo bhai G Tejas is home made:crazy: engine avionics many other parts imported even your auditor general pointed out that 68% parts imported what tha ..... u said JF-17 jugaad do some research 58% parts Pakistan made rest China only the engine from Russia soon replaced with Chinese one.
 
Jugaad oo bhai G Tejas is home made:crazy: engine avionics many other parts imported even your auditor general pointed out that 68% parts imported what tha ..... u said JF-17 jugaad do some research 58% parts Pakistan made rest China only the engine from Russia soon replaced with Chinese one.
check this link
The Hindu genocide and killing raping and enslaving Hindus by the Muslim invaders of India :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes
ENSLAVEMENT OF HINDUS BY ARAB AND TURKISH INVADERS
 
engine avionics many other parts imported even your auditor general pointed out that 68% parts imported what tha .....
There Reason we Gone For American Engines Which have Less Maintenance with Better Life Cycles Even-though India Itself Manufactures Two Types of Russian Engines From Scratch Al-31 & RD-33MK Both Are Better than your RD-93 which used in JF-17.So Saab Gripen uses Foreign Engines and Many other Parts From other vendors So that Doesn't make it Foreign Fighter
u said JF-17 jugaad do some research 58% parts Pakistan made rest China only the engine from Russia soon replaced with Chinese one.
There Is Difference in Assembling Aircraft with Knock Down Kits than Design and Create Eco system and Support Industry System For a Product. India Is Doing it From 1960's with Mig-21 What you are doing with JF-17 Main Contribution is About Adding indigenous Content to it
your auditor general pointed out that 68% parts imported what tha .

Source About Its 68 %
 
There Reason we Gone For American Engines Which have Less Maintenance with Better Life Cycles Even-though India Itself Manufactures Two Types of Russian Engines From Scratch Al-31 & RD-33MK Both Are Better than your RD-93 which used in JF-17.So Saab Gripen uses Foreign Engines and Many other Parts From other vendors So that Doesn't make it Foreign Fighter

There Is Difference in Assembling Aircraft with Knock Down Kits than Design and Create Eco system and Support Industry System For a Product. India Is Doing it From 1960's with Mig-21 What you are doing with JF-17 Main Contribution is About Adding indigenous Content to it


Source About Its 68 %
google it even in Defence PK someone posted Auditor General report
 
google it even in Defence PK someone posted Auditor General report
Yes Do you Know What Auditor Report Is It has Nothing to do with Performance of fighter. Have you Ever Considered Seeing US Senate Report on F-35.Auditor Report is About Maintenance & Use of Funds By Appropriate Authorities
 
Countries like Turkey, Australia, UK, Japan etc could havemade a U turn and opt for more potent JF-17..as the final orders are not yet cleared.

Why spend more money on a fighter when a fraction of it can do the job better.

Maybe who knows owing to high costs even US airforce may opt for Thunder if the Viper, Hornet production plans are shelved .
 
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