If Allah(SWT) sent the Mahdi next year, would you follow him?

[M. Sarmad]

Concealed meanings? Abdullah. Quran is for humans and humanity ..... there is no reason for it to carry concealed meanings. Holy Quran is clear for anyone who wishes to and complicated for anyone who wishes to. I don't know why Muslims of today wish so much complication and don't use their brains.
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He it is who has bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, containing messages that are clear in and by themselves - and these are the essence of the divine writ - as well as others that are allegorical. Now those whose hearts are given to swerving from the truth go after that part of the divine writ which has been expressed in allegory, seeking out [what is bound to create] confusion, and seeking [to arrive at] its final meaning [in an arbitrary manner]; but none save God knows its final meaning. Hence, those who are deeply rooted in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole [of the divine writ] is from our Sustainer - albeit none takes this to heart save those who are endowed with insight (The Noble Qur'an 3:7)

Those who claim (based on secondary sources) that certain allegorical verses regarding end-times essentially refer to the Second coming of Jesus when the Qur'an itself doesn't say so clearly and categorically, seek discord and spread confusion as they claim to know the final mening of something Allah says only he has the final knwoledge about them.

 

[Falcon29]

I will wait for the news, then.

Don't wait, just live life normally and the news will come to us.

 

[VCheng]

Don't wait, just live life normally and the news will come to us.

I fully intend to, of course.

I'm sorry his identity needs to remain a secret until then.

Ooooh, you are privy to such a huge secret. Thou are truly The Exalted One then, in my view.

 

[M. Sarmad]

its upto you dear whether to accept it or not. i am convinced with 99% educated scholars say about Quran, hadith and bible and for me their logic is strong as compare to those who negate these things. and one thing more we have to get rid of shia sunii fight if we really want to know the truth as jannah is neither for sunnis and nor for shias . it s for muslims only.

Firstly, those figures of 99% are greatly exaggerated

Secondly, appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy anyway, the Holy Qur'an itself says about those who blindly follow the majority: “Or do you think that most of them listen or use their intellect? They are only like cattle, nay, they are more astray from the way” (25:44)

Agreed with the rest of your post. Sectarianism is a curse

So tell me, half of the Muslims rally behind some caliph and half do not give a damn. Will that be terrorism?

If that Caliph is someone like Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi,
then yes, it definitely is terrorism

 

[THE GREEN MAN]

If someone missed the post explaining The second coming of Jesus from the Quran Hadith and Tafsir.
Reply#190
If Allah(SWT) sent the Mahdi next year, would you follow him?
I would suggest those who are interested to read the book "Jerusalem in Quran" which seeks to explain the Messiah in the previous scriptures in relation to the Quran and the link to Jerusalem. It also explains about Dajjal and Gog Magog and how they are all linked.
Link to free pdf:
http://www.imranhosein.org/books/37-jerusalem-in-the-quran.html
JazakAllah

 

[M. Sarmad]

If someone missed the post explaining The second coming of Jesus from the Quran Hadith and Tafsir.
Reply#190

The second coming of Jesus from t̶h̶e̶ ̶Q̶u̶r̶a̶n̶ Hadith and Tafsir.
There, fixed it for you,
As already proven, there is no verse in the Holy Qur'an, not even a single one, that clearly and categorically mentions the Second Coming of Jesus.

It's mentioned in the Bible as well as in some Ahadith and Tafsirs only

I'm going to break the news for you guys on this thread. If not me, someone else. I'm sorry his identity needs to remain a secret until then.

Is the Mahdi an American citizen this time around?

 

[THE GREEN MAN]

Firstly, those figures of 99% are greatly exaggerated

Secondly, appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy anyway, the Holy Qur'an itself says about those who blindly follow the majority: “Or do you think that most of them listen or use their intellect? They are only like cattle, nay, they are more astray from the way” (25:44)

Ok so The Companions of the Prophet, Abu Huraira, Jabir bin Abdullah, all the chain of Hadith narrators. Ibn Abbas , Ibn Kathir , Jalalludin Al mahalli, Jalalludin As suyyuti. They are all cattle because they dare say that Jesus will return.
But You are the enlightened and the one with the intellect.
This is the most PATHETIC Thing I have come across in my entire life. Even Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab would be put to shame with such gross misrepresentation of the Quran. Astagfirullah

If someone missed the post explaining The second coming of Jesus from the Quran Hadith and Tafsir.
Reply#190
If Allah(SWT) sent the Mahdi next year, would you follow him?
I would suggest those who are interested to read the book "Jerusalem in Quran" which seeks to explain the Messiah in the previous scriptures in relation to the Quran and the link to Jerusalem. It also explains about Dajjal and Gog Magog and how they are all linked.
Link to free pdf:
http://www.imranhosein.org/books/37-jerusalem-in-the-quran.html
JazakAllah

I have included the verses of the Quran pertaining to the subject. Let the reader decide whether correctly or not. Why are you so uncomfortable.

 

[litman]

Firstly, those figures of 99% are greatly exaggerated

Secondly, appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy anyway, the Holy Qur'an itself says about those who blindly follow the majority: “Or do you think that most of them listen or use their intellect? They are only like cattle, nay, they are more astray from the way” (25:44)

Agreed with the rest of your post. Sectarianism is a curse



If that Caliph is someone like Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi,
then yes, it definitely is terrorism

the ayat which you have is quoted here is completely out of context. please read the verses before and after that ayat and then you will come to know the exact meaning of that ayat. i also told you that in Quran it is told that some people only go after the literal meanings of the words and dont think beyond. it seems the attitude of cattle befits those people who only go after the literal meanings only and dont go through history, current affairs, previous scriptures and hadiths. its easy path but mostly it brings a person to false deductions and interpretations. i have seen some scholars calling some hadiths as weak or simply ignoring them when they are not supporting to their point of view. anyways i am convinced about the second coming of hazrat Esa as i ahve already said. if i am wrong i pray to Allah almighty to guide me on the right path. we should end our discussion as now we are just talking to prove that i am more logical then you and when stubbornness comes into discussion then devil also joins it so its better that we stop the discussion here . Allah hafiz.

 

[Falcon29]

The second coming of Jesus from t̶h̶e̶ ̶Q̶u̶r̶a̶n̶ Hadith and Tafsir.
There, fixed it for you,
As already proven, there is no verse in the Holy Qur'an, not even a single one, that clearly and categorically mentions the Second Coming of Jesus.

It's mentioned in the Bible as well as in some Ahadith and Tafsirs only



Is the Mahdi an American citizen this time around?

No, he's over there ....

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ok so The Companions of the Prophet, Abu Huraira, Jabir bin Abdullah, all the chain of Hadith narrators. Ibn Abbas , Ibn Kathir , Jalalludin Al mahalli, Jalalludin As suyyuti. They are all cattle because they dare say that Jesus will return.
But You are the enlightened and the one with the intellect.
This is the most PATHETIC Thing I have come across in my entire life. Even Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab would be put to shame with such gross misrepresentation of the Quran. Astagfirullah

I just quoted a Quranic verse,
I never said anything about Abu Huraira or any of the Sahaba.
Don't put words in my mouth, You have made a really pathetic attempt to redirect this conversation as you have failed to quote a single verse from the Qur'an that clearly mentions the second coming of Jesus.

 

[Falcon29]

@DAJJAL-KILLER

Just let him go brother. He seems to be having anxiety about the Mahdi being the next Baghdadi, which is not the case. You can't help someone who is imagining things.

 

[M. Sarmad]

the ayat which you have is quoted here is completely out of context. please read the verses before and after that ayat and then you will come to know the exact meaning of that ayat. i also told you that in Quran it is told that some people only go after the literal meanings of the words and dont think beyond. it seems the attitude of cattle befits those people who only go after the literal meanings only and dont go through history, current affairs, previous scriptures and hadiths. its easy path but mostly it brings a person to false deductions and interpretations. i have seen some scholars calling some hadiths as weak or simply ignoring them when they are not supporting to their point of view. anyways i am convinced about the second coming of hazrat Esa as i ahve already said. if i am wrong i pray to Allah almighty to guide me on the right path. we should end our discussion as now we are just talking to prove that i am more logical then you and when stubbornness comes into discussion then devil also joins it so its better that we stop the discussion here . Allah hafiz.

No, it's not out of context, you are completely mistaken about it.
As for you believing in the Second coming of Jesus, you, of course, are entitled to your opinions.
My only contention here is that the Holy Qur'an makes no mention of the Second coming of Jesus.
You should be honest about it. You should say that you believe in the second coming of Jesus as it has been categorically and clearly mentioned in Sahih Hadith. Sahih Hadith, for the majority, is a valid source anyway.

@DAJJAL-KILLER

Just let him go brother. He seems to be having anxiety about the Mahdi being the next Baghdadi, which is not the case. You can't help someone who is imagining things.

So, you claim that you know Mahdi has already come, you know him but can't reveal his identity yet...
And then you say 'others' are imagining things !!

 

[Falcon29]

So, you claim that you know Mahdi has already come, you know him but can't reveal his identity yet...
And then you say 'others' are imaginig things !! lol:

No, I said the Mahdi is known by a select number of people and he doesn't know them or himself. He will only appear at the Kaaba between the Rukn and Maqaam. After that happens and he is given bayah, then we follow him as an leader.

 

[doorstar]

My only contention here is that the Holy Qur'an makes no mention of the Second coming of Jesus.

I think that it is inferred from The Quran saying that everyone born has to taste death, since it is a common belief among Christian and Muslims that He is still alive so it sort of follows that He shall have to die one day before yom- al-qiamat. since there is supposed to be no death in Heavens/Paradise, Has he not got to return in order to die?

Mahdi has already come

could this be related in someway to the 12th Imam disappearance? Is he the mehdi?

 

[M. Sarmad]

No, I said the Mahdi is known by a select number of people and he doesn't know them or himself. He will only appear at the Kaaba between the Rukn and Maqaam. After that happens and he is given bayah, then we follow him as an leader.

So, he has already been born?
Who are the people who know about him?
Do you really think Al e Saud will let anyone declare himself an Imam/Khalifa in their kingdom?

Why should we believe that what you are saying is true?