IED Blast in Parachinar

[BHarwana]

Is this Indian terrorism or is this still inter-tribal fighting?

@BHarwana What do you think brother?



Inna lillahi wa Inna ilayhi rajioon

My friend why attack the people of Parachanar? first we have to look at it. Those people are Shias that is why they were targeted. now why were shias targeted that is the question? Shias were targeted cause if Shias are killed it will develop hate in Shia hearts against rest of sects. What will be achieved with that hate?
1. it will divide the nation.
2. it will achieve political goals as Shias will think this Govt is not doing enough to protect them.
3. it will force few to act in revenge & a sectarian war can be manufactured. Thus disrupting the normal life in the country.

now you decide who wants to achieve these things & why? That entity is behind this explosion. I have made a very brief post & I have not gone into depth, this is not rocket science to understand who did this attack & what are the goals behind this attack. Those people who blame other sects for this attack are simply fools who are trying to ignore the actual culprits to give their own hate a parking space, terrorism has more to do with proxy than religion. This is a pure RAW & nds activity.

 

[Pandora]

My friend why attack the people of Parachanar? first we have to look at it. Those people are Shias that is why they were targeted. now why were shias targeted that is the question? Shias were targeted cause if Shias are killed it will develop hate in Shia hearts against rest of sects. What will be achieved with that hate?
1. it will divide the nation.
2. it will achieve political goals as Shias will think this Govt is not doing enough to protect them.
3. it will force few to act in revenge & a sectarian war can be manufactured. Thus disrupting the normal life in the country.

now you decide who wants to achieve these things & why? That entity is behind this explosion. I have made a very brief post & I have not gone into depth, this is not rocket science to understand who did this attack & what are the goals behind this attack. Those people who blame other sects for this attack are simply fools who are trying to ignore the actual culprits to give their own hate a parking space, terrorism has more to do with proxy than religion. This is a pure RAW & nds activity.

Parachinar is also targeted bcz it became a hotbed for Iranian Intelligence who recruited many people for Zainbyoon brigade in that area. If remember few years back there were reports of training camps where several recruits from Pakistani shia community were being trained inside Pakistan. So it is very likely that there might be an Anti Iran element involved here as well. Also shows that how deep Irani Intelligence is embedded in our shia community. This article should explain a lot.

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/irans-proxy-war-and-pakistan/

 

[Genghis khan1]

No body is asking, how did the explosions get across the border AGAIN. Bajwa, kiyani, shreef are individuals. Fix your system.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

My friend why attack the people of Parachanar? first we have to look at it. Those people are Shias that is why they were targeted. now why were shias targeted that is the question? Shias were targeted cause if Shias are killed it will develop hate in Shia hearts against rest of sects. What will be achieved with that hate?
1. it will divide the nation.
2. it will achieve political goals as Shias will think this Govt is not doing enough to protect them.
3. it will force few to act in revenge & a sectarian war can be manufactured. Thus disrupting the normal life in the country.

now you decide who wants to achieve these things & why? That entity is behind this explosion. I have made a very brief post & I have not gone into depth, this is not rocket science to understand who did this attack & what are the goals behind this attack. Those people who blame other sects for this attack are simply fools who are trying to ignore the actual culprits to give their own hate a parking space, terrorism has more to do with proxy than religion. This is a pure RAW & nds activity.

Thanks brother. Always good to have someone like you on the forum who can give the definitive verdict.

 

[BHarwana]

Parachinar is also targeted bcz it became a hotbed for Iranian Intelligence who recruited many people for Zainbyoon brigade in that area. If remember few years back there were reports of training camps where several recruits from Pakistani shia community were being trained inside Pakistan. So it is very likely that there might be an Anti Iran element involved here as well. Also shows that how deep Irani Intelligence is embedded in our shia community. This article should explain a lot.

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/irans-proxy-war-and-pakistan/

LOL why would anti Iran elements target Parachinar? & why would Iran need to establish training camps in Parachinar? If Iran has training camps in Parachinar then Iran is the most stupid nation in the world. Iran has a whole country under their own control they can easily train people there if they want to train them. Or Iran has access to Afghanistan & they can easily train people there as well. Why would Iran be stupid enough to go to the extent of doing it in Parachinar? If they train people some where in Iran do we have to means to know about it? no we don't & that would be a better option. Sorry my friend but please be a bit logical while making such posts. They were not attacked cause they are affiliated with Iran. Those who want to hurt Iran will do it in Syria or Iraq where Iran has fighters & more people affiliated with it. get some brains. This attack has RAW & nds written all over it.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Parachinar is also targeted bcz it became a hotbed for Iranian Intelligence who recruited many people for Zainbyoon brigade in that area. If remember few years back there were reports of training camps where several recruits from Pakistani shia community were being trained inside Pakistan. So it is very likely that there might be an Anti Iran element involved here as well. Also shows that how deep Irani Intelligence is embedded in our shia community. This article should explain a lot.

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/irans-proxy-war-and-pakistan/

That is correct. Shia’s Villages overwhelming supported and helped ANA and US forces in Afghanistan. Infact they were the best recruited HUMINT Assets in tribal area. Met few in Afghanistan and US.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Parachinar is also targeted bcz it became a hotbed for Iranian Intelligence who recruited many people for Zainbyoon brigade in that area. If remember few years back there were reports of training camps where several recruits from Pakistani shia community were being trained inside Pakistan. So it is very likely that there might be an Anti Iran element involved here as well. Also shows that how deep Irani Intelligence is embedded in our shia community. This article should explain a lot.

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/irans-proxy-war-and-pakistan/

Indians will use anyone who is able and willing to perform such actions. In TTP, they even used Pakistani citizens who they brainwashed into believing that Pakistan betrayed Afghanistan and Islam by siding with US in WoT. What they did not realize is that they became puppet of a Kuffar power themselves to kill their own fellow Muslims.

That’s is correct. Shia’s overwhelming supported and helped ANA and US forces in Afghanistan.

Propaganda can make anyone crazy. They did the same to Iraqi and Syrian Kurds, pushing them to PKK.

Today, we have Shia and Tajik leaders of Taliban. Taliban is emerging as a truly national party for all of Afghanistan, one which is non-sectarian and at peace with neighbors.

Now you see that Pakistan and Iran are on the same page as far as CPEC, China is not going to let terrorism come and damage their investment. Iran will be keen on it.

In sha Allah, we get some fresh people into Iranian and Afghan governments who can pull all countries together.

 

[Genghis khan1]

My friend why attack the people of Parachanar? first we have to look at it. Those people are Shias that is why they were targeted. now why were shias targeted that is the question? Shias were targeted cause if Shias are killed it will develop hate in Shia hearts against rest of sects. What will be achieved with that hate?
1. it will divide the nation.
2. it will achieve political goals as Shias will think this Govt is not doing enough to protect them.
3. it will force few to act in revenge & a sectarian war can be manufactured. Thus disrupting the normal life in the country.

now you decide who wants to achieve these things & why? That entity is behind this explosion. I have made a very brief post & I have not gone into depth, this is not rocket science to understand who did this attack & what are the goals behind this attack. Those people who blame other sects for this attack are simply fools who are trying to ignore the actual culprits to give their own hate a parking space, terrorism has more to do with proxy than religion. This is a pure RAW & nds activity.

This is a concern as often mentioned in Ajit Doval speeches, but in reality, this strategy already failed for 2 reasons.
#1 Shia’s are well integrated and spread out into every ethnicity and type.
#2. Overall Shia population is around 10%. So even if India join Iran to Start a long haul proxies like in ME. It’s will real bad for the 10% and local Shia leaders are well aware of their vulnerability. Numbers are simply not in favor of Iran to run Iraq or Syria Type Sectarian militancy.

 

[BHarwana]

That is correct. Shia’s Villages overwhelming supported and helped ANA and US forces in Afghanistan. Infact they were the best recruited HUMINT Assets in tribal area. Met few in Afghanistan and US.

Shias helping USA & then those Shias loyal to Iran? How is that possible help me understand here what I am missing? my friend you are stretching it too far here. Mathematics is a very helpful thing. Have you ever used probability to calculate any thing which you don't have full info about? try it cause it helps a lot. Why would a Sunni attack Parachinar for being affiliated to Iran? If someone wants to hurt Iran they have better targets. People in Parachinar are Pakistanis and attack on Parachinar hurts Pakistan not Iran. This attack is to hurt Pakistan & goal of this attack was to harm religious harmony of Pakistan. This attack was done by India/Afghanistan. India thinks by killing Shia they can some how start a sectarian hate in Pakistan but Indian designs are Known to every Shia already.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is a concern as often mentioned in Ajit Doval speeches, but in reality, this strategy already failed for 2 reasons.
#1 Shia’s are well integrated and spread out into every ethnicity and type.
#2. Overall Shia population is around 10%. So even if India join Iran to Start a long haul proxies like in ME. It’s will real bad for the 10% and local Shia leaders are well aware of their vulnerability. Numbers are simply not in favor of Iran to run Iraq or Syria Type Sectarian militancy.

I think even Iran is aware that Pakistani Shias are not so easy to convince. Not many joined Liwa Fatimayoun compared to their population in Pakistan.

Pakistan needs to organize some kind of jirga to resolve these disputes between tribesmen, I am sure it is already being done.

Indian plans will fail, as we are all aware now as to their aims.

 

[BHarwana]

This is a concern as often mentioned in Ajit Doval speeches, but in reality, this strategy already failed for 2 reasons.
#1 Shia’s are well integrated and spread out into every ethnicity and type.
#2. Overall Shia population is around 10%. So even if India join Iran to Start a long haul proxies like in ME. It’s will real bad for the 10% and local Shia leaders are well aware of their vulnerability. Numbers are simply not in favor of Iran to run Iraq or Syria Type Sectarian militancy.

Your data is wrong cause Shia are twice the figure you quoted. Secondly why would Shias try to start a proxy war in Pakistan? What is Pakistan doing wrong to Shias? Shais are most free in Pakistan & can join & take any military to political post in Pakistan. Many times Pakistan had a Shia Prime Minister in the country & majority of Shia Pakistanis have not voted for a Shia political party in Pakistan but vote for Sunni leader. Again you are not making sense.

 

[Pandora]

LOL why would anti Iran elements target Parachinar? & why would Iran need to establish training camps in Parachinar? If Iran has training camps in Parachinar then Iran is the most stupid nation in the world. Iran has a whole country under their own control they can easily train people there if they want to train them. Or Iran has access to Afghanistan & they can easily train people there as well. Why would Iran be stupid enough to go to the extent of doing it in Parachinar? If they train people some where in Iran do we have to means to know about it? no we don't & that would be a better option. Sorry my friend but please be a bit logical while making such posts. They were not attacked cause they are affiliated with Iran. Those who want to hurt Iran will do it in Syria or Iraq where Iran has fighters & more people affiliated with it. get some brains. This attack has RAW & nds written all over it.

The reports i am talking about were discussed on PDF. If you have issue believing it then that is not my problem.

defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-forces-destroy-iranian-training-camp-in-parachinar.442018/page-2

You talk as if there is any logic to what Irani Mullahs do and think. One can also argue dont they have enough shia populace in Iran that they are recruiting them from afghanistan and pakistan.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Shias helping USA & then those Shias loyal to Iran? How is that possible help me understand here what I am missing? my friend you are stretching it too far here. Mathematics is a very helpful thing. Have you ever used probability to calculate any thing which you don't have full info about? try it cause it helps a lot. Why would a Sunni attack Parachinar for being affiliated to Iran? If someone wants to hurt Iran they have better targets. People in Parachinar are Pakistanis and attack on Parachinar hurts Pakistan not Iran. This attack is to hurt Pakistan & goal of this attack was to harm religious harmony of Pakistan. This attack was done by India/Afghanistan. India thinks by killing Shia they can some how start a sectarian hate in Pakistan but Indian designs are Known to every Shia already.

Your data is wrong cause Shia are twice the figure you quoted. Secondly why would Shias try to start a proxy war in Pakistan? What is Pakistan doing wrong to Shias? Shais are most free in Pakistan & can join & take any military to political post in Pakistan. Many times Pakistan had a Shia Prime Minister in the country & majority of Shia Pakistanis have not voted for a Shia political party in Pakistan but vote for Sunni leader. Again you are not making sense.

Human mind, needs, fears and emotional complexities are way more complex than simple statistics Equation. Iran doesn’t own Shia. Just because average Shia have favorable view about Iran doesn’t mean They will not take US dollars to fight Hardline Sunni who few years back kick them out of Kabul. Not to mention, Iranian version of Shia doctrine consider hardline Sunnis their Religious enemy. Rest I know Shia folk like to over inflate their numbers but figure is around 10% (+/-3).

 

[BHarwana]

The reports i am talking about were discussed on PDF. If you have issue believing it then that is not my problem.

defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-forces-destroy-iranian-training-camp-in-parachinar.442018/page-2

You talk as if there is any logic to what Irani Mullahs do and think. One can also argue dont they have enough shia populace in Iran that they are recruiting them from afghanistan and pakistan.

If it is discussed here means should I agree with it & consider it a final verdict? If it is discussed here means that I should not question it? Okay good post pic of the training camp in Parachinar. You think you are so knowledge able that you know about those camps & Govt don't? Please give it a rest my friend. Last decade USA blamed us for training camps & failed to produce a single evidence. All the Taliban training camps were in Afghanistan right next to USA army camps. now here you are with a new story. Seriously do you people even think a little before posting such things? If Iran wants to train people they have a whole country to do it & no one can stop them there so why would they do it here? the cost of traveling to Iran is almost slightly higher than traveling to Quetta.
If some solo junky did it in his back yard that was dealt with. Regarding the explosion which happened was in a fruite market so were Apples or Mangoes training there?

Human mind, needs, fears and emotional complexities are way more complex than simple statistics Equation. Iran doesn’t own Shia. Just because average Shia have favorable view about Iran doesn’t mean They will not take US dollars to fight Hardline Sunni who few years back kick them out of Kabul. Not to mention, Iranian version of Shia doctrine consider hardline Sunnis their Religious enemy. Rest I know Shia folk like to over inflate their numbers but figure is around 10% (+/-3).

Shia population in Pakistan is 20% it is the official figure. That is a huge chunk of Population.
Moving on to your myth of some kind. There are currently 2 major Shia countries 1 Iran and 2 Iraq. Where these people can easily do what ever they want.

Regarding Afghanistan you are not making sense either a shia is pro Iran or pro USA he cannot be both if he is involved in some sort of proxy. At least you have to consider that fact.

 

[Pandora]

If it is discussed here means should I agree with it & consider it a final verdict? If it is discussed here means that I should not question it? Okay good post pic of the training camp in Parachinar. You think you are so knowledge able that you know about those camps & Govt don't? Please give it a rest my friend. Last decade USA blamed us for training camps & failed to produce a single evidence. All the Taliban training camps were in Afghanistan right next to USA army camps. now here you are with a new story. Seriously do you people even think a little before posting such things? If Iran wants to train people they have a whole country to do it & no one can stop them there so why would they do it here? the cost of traveling to Iran is almost slightly higher than traveling to Quetta.
If some solo junky did it in his back yard that was dealt with. Regarding the explosion which happened was in a fruite market so were Apples or Mangoes training there?

I clearly mentioned the word Reports no need to hyped over nothing. It is ok to pessimistic but to deny something outright is simply ridiculous just bcz it doesn't compound with your thought process. In my first comment training inside Pakistan was just one Part. I was trying to focus on aspect the many fighters of Zanibyoon brigade belong to Parachinar but you went all Rambo on me for nothing.