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Hello Friends,
I am Waqas Shafi from Karachi. I have an idea of G3 with RPG, but i have no experience of Fire arms, I need any solders or professional weapons maker who can advice about this project. I think this idea make strong our military weapons system. any one can idea about this project please give me advice.
Thanks
Pakistan Zindabad:pakistan:
 
POF already makes rifle mounted grenades. These are similar to the israeli simon (u can check out a video of the simon on the future weapons program - - also available on youtube)
However we do not have underslung grenades like the m203 - -- these would be good if we are able to reduce the weight of the G3 (its already above 4.5kg with a full magazine)
 
thts gud...but whts the name of POF's product...u cant compare it
to israeli simon....man...thats a future system....POF might make something like tht in future
 
I saw simon but i think simon is not anti tank ..but that's good.
2nd G3 with RPG ek idea he is me bohat se advice chahiye honge, ya jab tak complete nhi ho sakta jab tak POF ki help na ho. Anti tank sniper ko hum G3 ke sath use kar sakte hen. aese ideas bohat se country ke pass hen .who double barrel pe kaam kar rahe hen , 1 long 2nd short barrel.
Thanks for your comments:pakistan:
 
it is a deadly combination.Both are proven and capable.Both are used worldwide.G3 is a proven battle rifle and RPG-7 is a very successful anti-tank and anti-personal projectile.Both u must remember the fact that they are geting old n need replacing.My personal choice would be G-36 and RPG-29.But i cannot deny the fact that they will still be the frontline weapons of many armies still after 2025-2030.
 
I can bet PA would not induct , G36 because of 5.56mm cartrige.
5.56mm cartrige is not accurate as 7.62mm existing one in G3 with higher accuracy / effective range and it is a bullet shoot to KILL where as the 5.56mm is a shoot to wound size which is being used by G36.

Here is the weapon of choice : Heckler & koch HK-417



Why?

It is very effective and it uses the same 7.62 mm cartrige and also accomodates G3 magazine.
Simply we would be using our existing munutions and would not have to develop Millions of magazines.

specifications:

Type Battle rifle
Place of origin Germany
Designer Heckler & Koch
Manufacturer Heckler & Koch

Variants Assaulter (12" barrel - standard)
Recce (16" barrel - standard and accurized)
Sniper (20" barrel - accurized)

Weight 3.87 kg [8.5 lbs] (12 inch barrel),
4.05 kg [8.9 lbs] (16 inch barrel),
4.23kg [9.3lbs] (20 inch barrel)

Length 805 / 885 mm (12" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
905 / 985 mm (16" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
1005 / 1085 mm (20" barrel, stock collapsed/extended)

Barrel length 305 mm (12 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) accurized
508 mm (20 in) accurized

Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire 600 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 709 m/s (12 in)
750 m/s (16 in)
789 m/s (20 in)
Feed system 10 or 20 round detachable box magazine
Optional 50 round drum magazine

Sights accessory diopter/rotary or optics
Cartridge 7.62x51mm NATO

Regards:
 
I can bet PA would not induct , G36 because of 5.56mm cartrige.
5.56mm cartrige is not accurate as 7.62mm existing one in G3 with higher accuracy / effective range and it is a bullet shoot to KILL where as the 5.56mm is a shoot to wound size which is being used by G36.

Here is the weapon of choice : Heckler & koch HK-417



Why?

It is very effective and it uses the same 7.62 mm cartrige and also accomodates G3 magazine.
Simply we would be using our existing munutions and would not have to develop Millions of magazines.

specifications:

Type Battle rifle
Place of origin Germany
Designer Heckler & Koch
Manufacturer Heckler & Koch

Variants Assaulter (12" barrel - standard)
Recce (16" barrel - standard and accurized)
Sniper (20" barrel - accurized)

Weight 3.87 kg [8.5 lbs] (12 inch barrel),
4.05 kg [8.9 lbs] (16 inch barrel),
4.23kg [9.3lbs] (20 inch barrel)

Length 805 / 885 mm (12" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
905 / 985 mm (16" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
1005 / 1085 mm (20" barrel, stock collapsed/extended)

Barrel length 305 mm (12 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) accurized
508 mm (20 in) accurized

Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire 600 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 709 m/s (12 in)
750 m/s (16 in)
789 m/s (20 in)
Feed system 10 or 20 round detachable box magazine
Optional 50 round drum magazine

Sights accessory diopter/rotary or optics
Cartridge 7.62x51mm NATO

Regards:

yes all impressive BUT if you notice there are no statements re effective range per barrel length types.
I will bet each different length has a different effective range. This is the critical component as it related to effective hitting power.
 
Hello Friends,
I am Waqas Shafi from Karachi. I have an idea of G3 with RPG, but i have no experience of Fire arms, I need any solders or professional weapons maker who can advice about this project. I think this idea make strong our military weapons system. any one can idea about this project please give me advice.
Thanks
Pakistan Zindabad:pakistan:

Yep brilliant idea. Such a combo would be called BBQ the shooter.

Small problem the RPG blow back issue.
 
I saw simon but i think simon is not anti tank ..but that's good.
2nd G3 with RPG ek idea he is me bohat se advice chahiye honge, ya jab tak complete nhi ho sakta jab tak POF ki help na ho. Anti tank sniper ko hum G3 ke sath use kar sakte hen. aese ideas bohat se country ke pass hen .who double barrel pe kaam kar rahe hen , 1 long 2nd short barrel.
Thanks for your comments:pakistan:

Sir,

Only on your second post---and you have totally lost respect for this forum---our standard discussion format is ENGLISH unless in the members club section. Thanks.
 
I can bet PA would not induct , G36 because of 5.56mm cartrige.
5.56mm cartrige is not accurate as 7.62mm existing one in G3 with higher accuracy / effective range and it is a bullet shoot to KILL where as the 5.56mm is a shoot to wound size which is being used by G36.

Here is the weapon of choice : Heckler & koch HK-417



Why?

It is very effective and it uses the same 7.62 mm cartrige and also accomodates G3 magazine.
Simply we would be using our existing munutions and would not have to develop Millions of magazines.

specifications:

Type Battle rifle
Place of origin Germany
Designer Heckler & Koch
Manufacturer Heckler & Koch

Variants Assaulter (12" barrel - standard)
Recce (16" barrel - standard and accurized)
Sniper (20" barrel - accurized)

Weight 3.87 kg [8.5 lbs] (12 inch barrel),
4.05 kg [8.9 lbs] (16 inch barrel),
4.23kg [9.3lbs] (20 inch barrel)

Length 805 / 885 mm (12" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
905 / 985 mm (16" barrel, stock collapsed/extended),
1005 / 1085 mm (20" barrel, stock collapsed/extended)

Barrel length 305 mm (12 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) standard
406 mm (16 in) accurized
508 mm (20 in) accurized

Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire 600 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 709 m/s (12 in)
750 m/s (16 in)
789 m/s (20 in)
Feed system 10 or 20 round detachable box magazine
Optional 50 round drum magazine

Sights accessory diopter/rotary or optics
Cartridge 7.62x51mm NATO

Regards:

Not entirely true...
The accuracy of today's 5.56 round is equal to that of a 7.62 nato.
On top of that, future weapons all seem to continue with the 5.56 configuration. The fact is that the 5.56 is more powerful and accurate than ever. Combine that, with a longer quality floating barrel in a bullpop design and you're set to go. The engagement range in a modern battlefield is getting increasingly shorter for infantry but for longer range engagements you need to supplement the 5.56 with i.e the above mentioned 417 or similar rifles.
The criteria for future assault rifles is, reliablity, light weight, accurate, fast target acquisition and engagement capability.
Your battlefield today is increasingly sophisticated with drones and sensors all over the place giving infantry less time in firefights before being engaged, meaning you want to find the enemy, hit him fast, and get the heck out. Furthermore, battles are moving into urban areas with more cover and less time to engage enemies before they "disappear", you would therefore want to put precise and accurate fire and hit the enemy unlike desert and open plain engagement which is more similar to shooting range or fair shooting, with plenty of time to aim and shoot.
I would personally equip my army with a 5.56 config, and back it up with a substantial amount of marksmen equipped with i.e 7.62 nato config rifles.
 
Not entirely true...
The accuracy of today's 5.56 round is equal to that of a 7.62 nato.
On top of that, future weapons all seem to continue with the 5.56 configuration. The fact is that the 5.56 is more powerful and accurate than ever. Combine that, with a longer quality floating barrel in a bullpop design and you're set to go. The engagement range in a modern battlefield is getting increasingly shorter for infantry but for longer range engagements you need to supplement the 5.56 with i.e the above mentioned 417 or similar rifles.
The criteria for future assault rifles is, reliablity, light weight, accurate, fast target acquisition and engagement capability.
Your battlefield today is increasingly sophisticated with drones and sensors all over the place giving infantry less time in firefights before being engaged, meaning you want to find the enemy, hit him fast, and get the heck out. Furthermore, battles are moving into urban areas with more cover and less time to engage enemies before they "disappear", you would therefore want to put precise and accurate fire and hit the enemy unlike desert and open plain engagement which is more similar to shooting range or fair shooting, with plenty of time to aim and shoot.
I would personally equip my army with a 5.56 config, and back it up with a substantial amount of marksmen equipped with i.e 7.62 nato config rifles.


I reckon PA would use different cartridges for different roles so will the PSF ( Pakistan special forces ) SSG , SSGN , SSW .

POF has signed an MOU with a Turkish firm which manufactures , HK-416 and HK-417 variants and Sniper rifles ..

Lets see what would we go for:pakistan:
 
Sir,

Only on your second post---and you have totally lost respect for this forum---our standard discussion format is ENGLISH unless in the members club section. Thanks.

Go easy on the Boy sir , Takes time to learn doesn't it ;)
 
Not entirely true...
The accuracy of today's 5.56 round is equal to that of a 7.62 nato.
On top of that, future weapons all seem to continue with the 5.56 configuration
. The fact is that the 5.56 is more powerful and accurate than ever. Combine that, with a longer quality floating barrel in a bullpop design and you're set to go. The engagement range in a modern battlefield is getting increasingly shorter for infantry but for longer range engagements you need to supplement the 5.56 with i.e the above mentioned 417 or similar rifles.
The criteria for future assault rifles is, reliablity, light weight, accurate, fast target acquisition and engagement capability.
Your battlefield today is increasingly sophisticated with drones and sensors all over the place giving infantry less time in firefights before being engaged, meaning you want to find the enemy, hit him fast, and get the heck out. Furthermore, battles are moving into urban areas with more cover and less time to engage enemies before they "disappear", you would therefore want to put precise and accurate fire and hit the enemy unlike desert and open plain engagement which is more similar to shooting range or fair shooting, with plenty of time to aim and shoot.
I would personally equip my army with a 5.56 config, and back it up with a substantial amount of marksmen equipped with i.e 7.62 nato config rifles.

Both have pros and cons of their own !

NATO is facing trouble in windy conditions and frosty weather and humidity with their 5.56mm

our battle ground is different from Siachin to Thar and to Makran and karachi , we need a decent hybrid choice:pakistan:
 
Hello Friends,
I am Waqas Shafi from Karachi. I have an idea of G3 with RPG, but i have no experience of Fire arms, I need any solders or professional weapons maker who can advice about this project. I think this idea make strong our military weapons system. any one can idea about this project please give me advice.
Thanks
Pakistan Zindabad:pakistan:

Hello sir

thanks for you advice , i think this is what you are looking for...



We can't have an RPG-7 with a G3 because it just does not make any sense , but the picture above is an M16 with a grenade launcher .
does the same job:pakistan:
 
Both have pros and cons of their own !

NATO is facing trouble in windy conditions and frosty weather and humidity with their 5.56mm

our battle ground is different from Siachin to Thar and to Makran and karachi , we need a decent hybrid choice:pakistan:

True true, I think what I am trying to say is that the differences between the two calibers aren't as prevalent as most people think, the major difference being the KE of the two, the 7.62 will almost penetrate 4x the thickness of a 5.56. The things you mentioned above sounds more as failures in the systems and maybe not as much as the ammo it self. The Americans and others seem to have problems, which was mainly due to manufacturing issues, but the latest 5.56 has been improved with regards to stopping power and range by increasing the weight of the bullet and pressure in the case . Tests have shown that the British L85a2's longer and free-floating barrel seem to, minimize some of the disadvantages of the 5.56 caliber by enabling it to achieve a higher velocity and hence an increase in KE.
 

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