IBO - FIA Karachi busted Foreign Intel Agency's Network involved in Money Trafficking & Illegal Activities

[Maula Jatt]

Not at this point, secularism for Pakistan is a double-edged sword, in the future it could be good but would backfire in our time

but hardcore extremism should be countered within the framework of an Islamic state

 

[PakSarZameen47]

but hardcore extremism should be countered within the framework of an Islamic state

Need moderation and need to teach people to be loyal to their homeland before other countries sects etc

 

[TheSolution]

but hardcore extremism should be countered within the framework of an Islamic state

Yeah I agree with that...

But secularism could break Pakistan apart, as Islam currently stands as the foundation holding everyone together. The only way we'll survive under a secular state is if we build Pakistan itself as the foundation of our identity, which will be possible over time as everything becomes more unified and a unique Pakistani identity matures with culture and history. Pakistan is young right now.

Plus, public opinion would be against it. And the solution is being a moderate Islamic society, it's not the fact that we are an Islamic republic on paper which is a problem, it's the extremism and intolerance.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Yeah I agree with that...

But secularism could break Pakistan apart, as Islam currently stands as the foundation holding everyone together. The only way we'll survive under a secular state is if we build Pakistan itself as the foundation of our identity, which will be possible over time as everything becomes more unified and a unique Pakistani identity matures with culture and history. Pakistan is young right now.

Plus, public opinion would be against it. And the solution is being a moderate Islamic society, it's not the fact that we are an Islamic republic on paper which is a problem, it's the extremism and intolerance.

Extremism and intolerance can be solved with proper law enforcement and justice. Also need molvis/religious institutions to be regulated. Anyone can claim to be "molvi" without having any religious credentials whatsoever.

 

[TheSolution]

The reason for extremism and intolerance is lack of law enforcement, proper justice would stop most of these issues

That's pretty much the reason for everything wrong with Pakistan, incompetence and corruption.

If everyone could put their pride and personal interest aside, with a common goal of developing Pakistan, you'd see wonders, but everyone is selfish and worried about filling their own pockets, they aren't accountable to anyone so lazy work culture has become the norm.

Extremism and intolerance can be solved with proper law enforcement and justice. Also need molvis/religious institutions to be regulated. Anyone can claim to be "molvi" without having any religious credentials whatsoever.

All religious figures should be installed by state security agency, and they should control what is preached to the masses, to make sure it doesn't promote extremism, discrimination or secterian movements. An intel network needs to be created in all minority groups, especially religious ones.

Some things need to be off limits. Can't be passing religious ruling that is anti-Pakistan and paints our soldiers as evil.

 

[Big_bud]

7 years

Probably hundreds more of these networks too

Shit performance of ISI/Other intel agencies/State. As I have been saying this all along. We need to strengthen our intel agencies. We have huge population, several enemies, intel agencies are under funded, overworked, firefighting. I think RAW is more successful and powerful as compared to ISI. RAW has created hell for Pakistan. It has successfully brought Pakistan down to economic default, vilified the whole country, our international stature has been affected, our trade, ties with other countries are ruined. RAW has bought softwares like Pegasus to spy on our politicians. RAW is smart and offensive. Pakistan's ISI's whole strength is mixing into Tribals/Afghans and getting intel from western side of the boarder. ISI is reactionary, RAW is proactive. ISI and the state is so poor that they can not even prosecute and jail the killers/ agents/criminals they catch. ISI can't even manage Pakistan's media. ISI and army needs to look inwards, state needs to look inwards, Judiciary and police needs a complete demolition and reconstruction. State also needs to spend exponentially on education. Specially education backward areas. Better policing does not solve crime, education and affluency does. So state needs to focus on all its neglected and weak sections.

 

[TheSolution]

Shit performance of ISI/Other intel agencies/State. As I have been saying this all along. We need to strengthen our intel agencies. We have huge population, several enemies, intel agencies are under funded, overworked, firefighting. I think RAW is more successful and powerful as compared to ISI. RAW has created hell for Pakistan. It has successfully brought Pakistan down to economic default, vilified the whole country, our international stature has been affected, our trade, ties with other countries are poor. RAW has bought softwares like Pegasus to spy on our politicians. RAW is smart and offensive. Pakistan's ISI's whole strength is mixing into Tribals/Afghans and getting intel from western side of the boarder. ISI is reactionary, RAW is proactive. ISI and the state is so poor that they can not even prosecute and jail the killers/ agents/criminals they catch. ISI can't even manage Pakistan's media. ISI and army needs to look inwards, state needs to look inwards, Judiciary and police needs a complete demolition and reconstruction. State also needs to spend exponentially on education. Specially education backward areas. Better policing does not solve crime, education and affluency does. So state needs to focus on all its neglected and weak sections.

I agree, plus RAW has been receiving support from Mossad and Russian intelligence agencies.

ISI is incredibly overhyped.

India is doing much better.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Yeah I agree with that...

But secularism could break Pakistan apart, as Islam currently stands as the foundation holding everyone together. The only way we'll survive under a secular state is if we build Pakistan itself as the foundation of our identity, which will be possible over time as everything becomes more unified and a unique Pakistani identity matures with culture and history. Pakistan is young right now.

Plus, public opinion would be against it. And the solution is being a moderate Islamic society, it's not the fact that we are an Islamic republic on paper which is a problem, it's the extremism and intolerance.

If Islam was holding anything then so many shias in Pakistan will not turn in to Iranian agents overnight. Its not about just money because otherwise all 10 would have belonged to random sects and not just shia. Clearly shia don't feel welcome in our version of Islam.

Shias are significant in Karachi, your financial center. Sindh ruling party is shia. They are majority in northen Pakistan, disputed region. They are majority in Parachinar, bordering Afghanistan.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

These leeches are destroying our country from within. These scumbags have no honour when they ditched their own MotherLAND and chose some masters as their adopted mother. There deserve nothing but painful death infront of all those who might be inclined to follow them. CREATE DETTERENCE NOW. SKIN THEM ALL ALIVE!

State of Pakistan needs to get it bloody act together and sort this mess out once and for all. Enough of this BS!

Have we found the names of mother rats these babies were working for? We really need to start hunting within Iran and smoke these rats out.

 

[Darth Vader]

Unless Pakistan is able to build its own identity for its Citizen and has a decent economy that can support its younger generation, People will do these activities just to feed families. There will always will be some people who will sell anything for money but you can reduce the numbers of who can join them

 

[TheSolution]

If Islam was holding anything then so many shias in Pakistan will not turn in to Iranian agents overnight. Its not about just money because otherwise all 10 would have belonged to random sects and not just shia. Clearly shia don't feel welcome in our version of Islam.

Shias are significant in Karachi, your financial center. Sindh ruling party is shia. They are majority in northen Pakistan, disputed region. They are majority in Parachinar, bordering Afghanistan.

And what sect of Islam is holding the country together? What's the majority?

If anything you just proved my point, the fact that a specific type of Islam is holding the country together means that those that don't fit into it, can be more easily aligned with other countries. Pakistani identity is weak, and we are more alligned with religion, hence why they easily turn into Shia Iranian agents.

But the positive is that the majority do fit in for the most part, so it's effective and a better option.

It's the lesser of two evils, you either have that small minority as easy targets, or go secular and literally have the majority go against you, you would have people turning anti-state in huge numbers, sectarian movements would become very strong between those that accept and those that don't.

Pakistan is too young and too underdeveloped to accept secularism. You have people going crazy over 7up cans and lynching foreigners over a poster all in the name of Islam, what do you think will happen if state turns secular?

Our long-term planning must be dynamic and fluid, to achieve a desired end result you must first go through smaller steps which may seem like the wrong direction.

I was heavily pro-secularism, but I believe that you cannot just switch to secularism so easily, that would likely be a disaster. You need it to remain Islamic before it can become a secular state in the future. Widespread development, access to high quality education to the masses, make people moderate and accepting of others who are different in race and religion, more open, and only then you can transition to secularism.

It's about sharing an identity, and commonalities. Islam is a thread holding the majority together who are very diverse, we can utilise this thread long enough so a common shared history and culture is formed, a Pakistani identity. So that when/if that thread is taken away, you fall back on that identity, you'll no longer rely on religion, but rather your inherent identity itself, so you can comfortably transition to secularism without everything falling apart. Pakistan is so diverse right now, you remove that single thread, you will topple like a house of cards.

 

[Paul2]

Last time I was in Pakistan, these Hawala shops were everywhere, and rather in the open.

In fact, I had to use them once, and to my surprise, it even worked.

 

[somebozo]

Their names tell the story who is behind it..and there are hundreds of networks like this just in Karachi alone.

 

[Asif Mayet]

FIA Commercial Banking Circle Karachi conducts an IBO at four different places in Karachi. 13 arrested for hawala and illegal activities. The detainees are said to belong to foreign intelligence agency. Among those arrested were employees of the Swiss Exchange Company.

18,000 US dollars, 22.3 million Pakistani rupees and other foreign currency were recovered from the accused. Highly sensitive and illegal documents were also recovered from the possession of the accused.

According to sources, the arrested persons were also involved in sending aid and remittances to their Pakistani networks at the behest of the Foreign Intelligence Agency. They also used to provided sensitive information from Pakistan to foreign agencies and their supported hostile elements. The group has been active in Pakistan for the past seven years.

Further investigation is undergoing.

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[khansaheeb]

When the "foreign intelligence agency" is not named, 99% of the time it's from Iran or the US/Europe.

When the "foreign intelligence agency" is not named, 99% of the time it's YOU.