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IAF mirage crashed

Hmm....

Looks like 10 Mirage-2000 have crashed since its induction. 49 Mirages acquired in the 1980's + 10 Mirages in 2007 = 59 total

Currently only 51 was present for the upgrade. So 8 crashed. But the new crash today & a few days before makes the total crashes to 10.

The best aircraft to compare with the Mirage safety record is the MiG-29's safety record because they both were inducted side by side simultaneously.

70 MiG-29's acquired in the 80's + 10 MiG-29s in the 90's = 80 Total

Of which 7 are MiG-29UB variant which is only a training aircraft. It has no radar and so it cannot be used as a BVR fighter. So there are a total of 73 Single seat MiG-29s.
Of the 73, 63 was signed to be upgraded to UPG/SMT standard. So 10 have crashed. However after the deal was signed 2 MiG-29s have crashed. So the number is 61 MiG-29s in the IAF inventory. So 12 crashes in total.

Mirage-2000
49 + 10 - 10 = 49 (crash % = 17%)

MiG-29
73 - 12 = 61 (crash % = 16%)

So Mirage-2000's safely record is very slightly poorer than MiG-29's. Just 1%. However that's not all we should take into consideration. Mirage-2000 is a single engined fighter so it's more risky and prone to crashes than a twin engined MiG-29. French/Western quality over soviet designs explains that. Or does it? Mirage-2000 was and still is the pampered lady of the IAF. They guard her like she is a princess. Mirage-2000 is based in Gwalior far far away from the dangers of the front line bases in the border. Distance from Gwalior to the Pakistani border is close to 500kms. While All the IAF MiG-29s are based in Adampur which is a little over 50 miles from the Border! MiG-29s will have to perform more routine Air patrol sorties and hence more flying time, more take-offs and landings, contributing to more accidents. Also the 10 second hand mirages are newer bought in 2007(I bet all the 10 crashed are from the previous 49 mirages batch).So it's not that simple comparing the fighters safety record.

Not really a point about crashes but, a Mirage-2000, although a single engined fighter, costed us 25 million dollars back in the 1980s. And the capitalist french accepted no less than precious foreign exchange back then. However MiG-29 costed us, both in 1980s and the 90's, only 11 million dollars. That too we paid part of the amount in Indian Rupees, tea, wheat and other Agricultural produce, which the soviets accepted as a gesture of friendship. But then again, it isn't so simple because a Mirage is maintenance friendly compared to a MiG-29, and the cost of maintenance of a twin engined fighter is obviously more than a single engines one. However again, to throw a spanner into the logic before you choose which one is better, the spare parts of French Mirage-2000 are extremely costly compared to the MiG-29.

In the end, both fighters have their own advantages and disadvantages, and comparing is tough. But as of now, Mirage are more prone to crashes than the MiG-29.
 
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^^^One of the main reason for stationing Mig 29 in front bases that it is highly maneuverable pure A to A fighter.......and on the other hand Miraage 2000 sucks in that department....Not to forget Mig29 Baaz is capable of firing BvR missiles...
 
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Hmm....

Looks like 10 Mirage-2000 have crashed since its induction. 49 Mirages acquired in the 1980's + 10 Mirages in 2007 = 59 total

Currently only 51 was present for the upgrade. So 8 crashed. But the new crash today & a few days before makes the total crashes to 10.

The best aircraft to compare with the Mirage safety record is the MiG-29's safety record because they both were inducted side by side simultaneously.

70 MiG-29's acquired in the 80's + 10 MiG-29s in the 90's = 80 Total

Of which 7 are MiG-29UB variant which is only a training aircraft. It has no radar and so it cannot be used as a BVR fighter. So there are a total of 73 Single seat MiG-29s.
Of the 73, 63 was signed to be upgraded to UPG/SMT standard. So 10 have crashed. However after the deal was signed 2 MiG-29s have crashed. So the number is 61 MiG-29s in the IAF inventory. So 12 crashes in total.

Mirage-2000
49 + 10 - 10 = 49 (crash % = 17%)


MiG-29
73 - 12 = 61 (crash % = 16%)

So Mirage-2000's safely record is very slightly poorer than MiG-29's. Just 1%. However that's not all we should take into consideration. Mirage-2000 is a single engined fighter so it's more risky and prone to crashes than a twin engined MiG-29. French/Western quality over soviet designs explains that. Or does it? Mirage-2000 was and still is the pampered lady of the IAF. They guard her like she is a princess. Mirage-2000 is based in Gwalior far far away from the dangers of the front line bases in the border. Distance from Gwalior to the Pakistani border is close to 500kms. While All the IAF MiG-29s are based in Adampur which is a little over 50 miles from the Border! MiG-29s will have to perform more routine Air patrol sorties and hence more flying time, more take-offs and landings, contributing to more accidents. Also the 10 second hand mirages are newer bought in 2007(I bet all the 10 crashed are from the previous 49 mirages batch).So it's not that simple comparing the fighters safety record.

Not really a point about crashes but, a Mirage-2000, although a single engined fighter, costed us 25 million dollars back in the 1980s. And the capitalist french accepted no less than precious foreign exchange back then. However MiG-29 costed us, both in 1980s and the 90's, only 11 million dollars. That too we paid part of the amount in Indian Rupees, tea, wheat and other Agricultural produce, which the soviets accepted as a gesture of friendship. But then again, it isn't so simple because a Mirage is maintenance friendly compared to a MiG-29, and the cost of maintenance of a twin engined fighter is obviously more than a single engines one. However again, to throw a spanner into the logic before you choose which one is better, the spare parts of French Mirage-2000 are extremely costly compared to the MiG-29.

In the end, both fighters have their own advantages and disadvantages, and comparing is tough. But as of now, Mirage are more prone to crashes than the MiG-29.

Thats the problem with the French.
Even a lot of our Mirages (when they were new or that later became old and upgraded) in PAF crashed
 
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@Cb4..To be frank crash rate of IaF Mig 29 & Miraage 2000 is similar to the crash rate Paf's American F 16 i mean you also lost around 9 or 10 F16 and that too in similar Time span...So here their is nothing to do with french,Soviet or even American aircraft.... you need to see that 30 year is hell alot of time for any airframe..atlast it will show age..
 
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@cb4..To be frank crash rate of IaF Mig 29 & Miraage 2000 is similar to the crash rate Paf's American F 16 i mean you also lost around 9 or 10 F16 and that too in similar Time span...So here their is nothing to do with french,Soviet or even American aircraft.... you need to see that 30 year is hell alot of time for any airframe..atlast it will show age..

F-16s were inducted in 1983

1 was own goal...
1 hit a wild boar
1 was a bird strike
1 was a bird strike
Rest others (4 or 5 were technical)....

The last crash was in 2009 and the one before was in 1986!

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/PAF/

There is no aircraft in PAF that crashed more than Mirage...
The performance of F-16 is not bad... (fought in Soviet-Afghan war, War on Terror, Indian conflicts, Exercises, Air shows)
I don't think there was much from IAF Mirage 2000 other than Kargil. This too was without PAF confrontation...

Here is the same 1983 PAF F-16 (Block 15 Without MLU) in an Air Show... Its still going strong..


 
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the mirages have a much better safety record compared to other fighters in the air force . a bit surprising that 2 crashed within a span of two weeks. guess we will have to wait for the inquiry to finish to find out what went wrong.

good to hear no one died.:)
 
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IAF mirages are not in good condition and so does our facilities at bases.There are two things;;

1)either mirages are old enough.
2)or we dont have services of proper maintenance.
 
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Mirages Becoming The New Flying Coffins!! Second Crash Within A two week...
 
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I think IAF is practicing live ejection sorties, as they are getting new fighters .. expend old ones..!!:hitwall:
 
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Why have the GOI signed for such expensive upgradation of these old jets ? :what: ... I just came to learn about the deal ...

P.S I am not saying it due to the crashes but the deal itself seems very illogical ...
 
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just buy more rafales rather than wasting money on this oldies.
Mirage upgrade will take a decade and till then we will finish more than half of them:lol:
 
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I can bet that IAFs maintance needs the biggest ovrhaul. I have seen in couple of pictures they are still using screw drivers for engine instead of drillers, come on man thats way too low standard for a prfessional force.:angry:
 
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