IAF faces shortage of fighter jets

[t-birds]

Your perception and the reality are quite different. Judging by the way you refer to aircraft in service, I'd venture that either you are clueless or are acting that way (have seen both types on the forum and in most cases posts like the ones above by you would lead to your banning). Accidents happen and will continue to happen. At the end of 2008, you can look back and see the rate of attrition in the PAF and it won't be any worse than the other Air Forces flying at similar rate (180 hours/year).

As far as JF-17 prod. is concerned, its 8 and 8 (16 per year) to start off the program. There has been no mention of what the upper limit is on the production run in either of the countries (Pakistan and China) when the production ramps up. PAF will replace the aging sqns first even if that means that PLAAF has to wait a bit longer for the type.

So….What’s your perception in this matter? Or do you have one? And if I were you I wouldn’t venture out too far because you seem to be hitting cloud 9 all the time….

“Accidents happen and will continue to happen”…. Yeah right flying those things and I wouldn’t be surprised…

“PAF will replace the aging sqns first even if that means that PLAAF has to wait a bit longer for the type” And wheres your source on this…?

 

[t-birds]

Worried that India might be losing the defensive edge to Pakistan in the air, the Strategic Policy Group will meet on Wednesday (October 11) to finalise a fighter aircraft acquisition plan.

An additional Rs 10,000 crore [$2 Bn]is likely to be set aside in the current budget for aircraft acquisitions. This acquisition plan is geared to counter Pakistan's purchase of 40 F-16s. The delivery schedule will be spread over ten years between 2006 and 2016.

The Mirage and Sukhoi fighter aircrafts are the favourites for the Indian Airforce. The Policy Group that will decide on the plan consists of the Cabinet Secretary, the Defence Secretary and the three Armed forces chiefs. The plan, once finalised by the SPG, will be submitted to the CCS.

Currently the ratio for fighter aircraft numbers is said to be somewhere in the region of 1:2.17 in favour of India. If India’s aged and outdated fleet is discounted, the ratio falls to 1:1.79. But critically, after the induction of 40 F-16s by Pakistan, this ratio will further be reduced to 1:1.15.

Air-Attack.com News - Indian Air Force to acquire more aircraft

 

[Keysersoze]

Change My Flag...... No need to ask you to change yours.....

100 F-16's, huh.... Yeah, that’s right keep dreaming buddy.... And looking at current events the numbers seem to be dwindling already...... So if I were you I’d starting doing my maths again.

Anyway… I was only referring to their present level of fighter jets, in Pakistan’s inventory and not Erieye, HAwkeye 2000 and a Chinese AWACS and etc.


“Ditch my sources”, I was merrily asking a question, so please don’t get your knickers in a twist…!!!!

Nope no need to ask me at all........You however are quite obviously a troll in sheeps clothing lol.

Lets do some maths here.... 60 MLU kits were ordered. That would cover the current fleet plus the 24 aircraft given under EDA. The option for 18 more f-16's is still open and i doubt it will not be taken despite poor reporting from certain media outlets that makes a grand total of 96!!!!!! or......approx 100 as I said! There are also good reports of a few blk 30's being transfered.

Also mr troll you were not asking a question you were insinuating. Trying to be clever with your comments.
Arguing with two mods and trolling has earned you a nice break!

 

[sohailbutt]

Nope no need to ask me at all........You however are quite obviously a troll in sheeps clothing lol.

Lets do some maths here.... 60 MLU kits were ordered. That would cover the current fleet plus the 24 aircraft given under EDA. The option for 18 more f-16's is still open and i doubt it will not be taken despite poor reporting from certain media outlets that makes a grand total of 96!!!!!! or......approx 100 as I said! There are also good reports of a few blk 30's being transfered.

Also mr troll you were not asking a question you were insinuating. Trying to be clever with your comments.
Arguing with two mods and trolling has earned you a nice break!

I agree with u 200% regarding f-16's, i really dont believe that this would be Pakistan's decision n only one newspaper has mentioned this news, which i really dont believe, this may be the last purchase of f-16's by PAF. There is no report anywhere else regarding dropping out the option of 18 extra f-16's. so from my view it is just a false report!!!!

 

[EagleEyes]

Mig-29 with New upgrade with Mirage 2000 = Most of the F-16s.
Su-30 = J-10
LCA, MRCA, others Migs = JF-17, Mirage ROSE etc.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Su-30 = J-10
LCA, MRCA, others Migs = JF-17, Mirage ROSE etc.

Are you freakin joking, even Pakistan does not want the avionics or are you comparing it with Su MKK of PLAF

MRCA=JF-17 AND MIRAGE ROSE. How sir according to you Eurofighter or Rafale or SH equalent to JF17 or even Mirage rose..

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Su-30 = J-10
LCA, MRCA, others Migs = JF-17, Mirage ROSE etc.

Are you refering to Chinese Su 30.

Care to explain how MRCA which will either be EF or Rafale or SH will be equalent to JF17 or MIRAGE Rose

 

[Contrarian]

Mig-29 with New upgrade with Mirage 2000 = Most of the F-16s.
Su-30 = J-10
LCA, MRCA, others Migs = JF-17, Mirage ROSE etc.

My god, unless your talking about the PLAAF Su-30K's or MK's, even the Chinese MKK's are far above the J-10.

The only PAF plane which would really match the Su-30MKI would be the F-16 blk 52. And if you really think the J-10 is better than the blk 52, you are very very thoroughly mistaken.

Either your underestimating the F-16 blk 52 OR you overestimating the J-10. THey are not in the same league, let alone be comparable.

 

[blain2]

My god, unless your talking about the PLAAF Su-30K's or MK's, even the Chinese MKK's are far above the J-10.

The only PAF plane which would really match the Su-30MKI would be the F-16 blk 52. And if you really think the J-10 is better than the blk 52, you are very very thoroughly mistaken.

Either your underestimating the F-16 blk 52 OR you overestimating the J-10. THey are not in the same league, let alone be comparable.

Malay,

I think the J-10 will have better capabilities and avionics than MKK. The Chinese are not going to invest their billions to get an aircraft which is inferior to an import from Russia. Those in the PAF who have flown the J-10 speak extremely highly of the potential in the aircraft. I think Chinese will be springing a very nice surprise when J-10 goes prime time.

 

[z9-ec]

My god, unless your talking about the PLAAF Su-30K's or MK's, even the Chinese MKK's are far above the J-10.

The only PAF plane which would really match the Su-30MKI would be the F-16 blk 52. And if you really think the J-10 is better than the blk 52, you are very very thoroughly mistaken.

Either your underestimating the F-16 blk 52 OR you overestimating the J-10. THey are not in the same league, let alone be comparable.

If that were the case why do you think PLAAF considers J-10 the main stike fighter today?

Obviously, it exceeds the current state of the Su-30 (maybe in terms of avionics and other equipment?).

We will never know the real capabilities of the J-10 because of the secrecy involved.

 

[JEFF]

If that were the case why do you think PLAAF considers J-10 the main stike fighter today?

Consideration of J-10 by PLAAF over Su-30 doesn't translate into shrinking in the capability of Su-30. Morever PLAAF has their own requirement since they want to highly rely upon homegrown tech rather hostaging itself with foreign tech.

Obviously, it exceeds the current state of the Su-30 (maybe in terms of avionics and other equipment?).

Your word "maybe" speaks for itself that you aren't still sure about the superior capability of J-10 over Su-30. I think you should go through the specification of both this fighter plane before drawing your conclusion.

On the face of it, there have been numerous article being written by several western experts about the capability of Su-30, according to them it is still regarded as a second best air superiority fighter plane in the world next only to the F-22 and till joining of F-35 to fleet of several airforces.

We will never know the real capabilities of the J-10 because of the secrecy involved.

Then only you are still drawing the conclusion that J-10's capability exceeds that of Su-30 just because PLAAF has choosen it over Su-30. Secrecy doesn't translate in itself superior capability of J-10, may be you can also called it lower in the capability since its original specifications are still under the darkness of secrecy.

 

[aman1981]

The capabilities of the present day fighters are much better than those from earlier generations and fills for the fall in no.s. for eg .. a mig-21 may have to accompany mig-27s for providing air-cover. This is not the case with present day multirole fighters.
Also ..the birds these days have become much more costlier

 

[JEFF]

The capabilities of the present day fighters are much better than those from earlier generations and fills for the fall in no.s. for eg .. a mig-21 may have to accompany mig-27s for providing air-cover. This is not the case with present day multirole fighters.

Why can't multirole fighters accompany Mig-27? since Multirole aircraft can do the job of both Mig-21 and Mig-27.

Also ..the birds these days have become much more costlier

But for a countries with growing economy, this is not the case.

 

[aman1981]

Why can't multirole fighters accompany Mig-27? since Multirole aircraft can do the job of both Mig-21 and Mig-27.

But for a countries with growing economy, this is not the case.

Thats exactly the point i was trying to make.

 

[JEFF]

Thats exactly the point i was trying to make.

But you said that when Mig-21 can give protective cover for Mig-27, but Multirole aircraft can't.

In fact, apart from what I had said earlier, Multirole aircraft can also give protective cover to Mig-27 if need be.