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IAF : Covering up Su-30 Loss?

ohhh actually the very next day another nuclear power bombed the territory controlled by that supa pawa nuclear power. We call it op swift retort. and u are a certified bakht if u belive that we should ve nuked u on 1 incursion...USSR didnt nuke USA after U2 incident. U dont know anything about Pak nuclar threshold neither does ur NSA nor your service chiefs. thats for us to decide.

Me no bakhth. Guaranteed.

26th rendered your nukes irrelevant. Well not entirely irrelevant. May come handy as deterrent if India makes a move on AJK. Aug5 rendered Pak irrelevant in IOK.

U2 incident is not comparable. IAF used to fly Mig25 over Pak unchallenged.
 
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Me no bakhth. Guaranteed.

26th rendered your nukes irrelevant. Well not entirely irrelevant. May come handy as deterrent if India makes a move on AJK. Aug5 rendered Pak irrelevant in IOK.

U2 incident is not comparable. IAF used to fly Mig25 over Pak unchallenged.
u didnt respond to 27th, period
 
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26th rendered your nukes irrelevant. Well not entirely irrelevant. May come handy as deterrent if India makes a move on AJK. Aug5 rendered Pak irrelevant in IOK.
Stop cartwheeling from the main topic started by your original interjection.

Also stop worrying your Hindutva-fied mind over our nukes. Worry about your own.

Way things are headed conventionally, I won't be surprised if India resorts to nukes much before Pakistan does in a future conflict.

The main reason is that your personnel i.e. top brass and middle officers are caliber wise no match to their Pakistani counterparts. That gulf of difference is going to remain for some time to come.
 
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Me no bakhth. Guaranteed.

26th rendered your nukes irrelevant. Well not entirely irrelevant. May come handy as deterrent if India makes a move on AJK. Aug5 rendered Pak irrelevant in IOK.

U2 incident is not comparable. IAF used to fly Mig25 over Pak unchallenged.

A drama being showcased for decade that Pakistan been involved in cross border militancy or attacks and then the Balakot episode was executed to support Modi's election, which in-fact turned out to be too much of an embarrassment if it was for the real people and not the RSS/BJP. Secondly, now the new drama has been started as usual that "Hey look! there is no further attacks. We succeeded in Balakot" while no one is asking the real question that the so-called Balakot was nothing but drama so there were no attacks rather a bogey to put fear into the hearts of Indians and fuel more hatred. One can really have a lot of comforting cushions in these situations and there is no limit to invent further lame excuses. A thing that doesn't exist is now more of a reason to believe that IAF did achieve something on 26th which is more of a election campaign stunt that went wrong. Spare this place please.

Indian Occupied Kashmir is more of a strategical come diplomatic conflict than needing a direct military clash and everyone knows that. Once India made a wrong move violating all the agreements & calling it internal matter; is now found calling it bilateral again more often especially since foreign powers are sharing their observations... ref: Russian Ambassador recently in India as well. Anyone expecting a direct Military Attack on India due to IoK, is yet another sign of drama & misleading propaganda while concealing true facts of the matter. Had it been the land of Pakistan; there would have been another 27th Feb for India. In easy words, India violates the LoC and got the response & punishment as well but on other hand, IoK status is not relevant for this case. Indian troll brigade over internet created such narrative merely to feel as if India has avenged the lost avenger & Abhinandan besides the shock-waves at 6 different locations within IoK on 27th Feb. If that what makes India feel better, no issue but it is not encouraged to pollute Forum as well ... at least not here.

5th August violation of India is nowhere close to 27th Feb except for few Internet Armchair Generals.
 
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Dude, before feb26 Pak got away with lots of stuff on militancy front using nuclear escalation bogey to tie up India at LOC/border. Twice India brought its army to border and went back disappointed. 26Feb changed all that.

Then why are your CDS and Army Chief still lamenting about terrorists about to be launched into IOK? What's changed, as per their own admission? Apparently nothing.

No other time had any nuclear power aerial directly bombed another nuclear power. Pak’s nuke bluff effectively call that day.
Actually the only thing that was proven that Pakistan had raised its conventional deterrence to the point, where it can clearly re-establish status-quo, without resorting to nuclear warfare. What in fact came as a surprise to Nato, United States and just about the entire region, was Indian response of resorting to a sub-conventional response, post their loss of aerial deterrence to Pakistan. This clearly showed the India's lost its conventional edge to Pakistan on Feb 27th and had to resort to a threat of surface-to-surface missile strikes. The only party here whose bluff got called was India, it was found wanting, across the board.

Pulwama was a gift to Modi. Without Pulwama Modi would not have got such a massive majority. Aug5 could not have happened without this massive majority. So thanks to JeM for that.
Pulwama was nothing but an inside response to whatever is happening in Kashmir, I would venture as far as to suggest that it was played out to the gallery and was supposed to give Modi a chance at winning the elections. It's not entirely Pakistan's fault that Indian voter base is entirely gullible to right wing pundits and anti-Pakistan bigotry. It's a reality that we've to live with.

Off course 27Feb is disappointing for India. IAF losing an aircraft was not something that can’t happen in a skirmish but IAF not exacting a cost to PAF is. Why they were so unprepared knowing very well Pak will retaliate is a mystery.
It's not a mystery, the reason is as simple as your reaction to this entire ordeal. Your entire generation has been raised on a drip feed of caricatures of Pakistanis, where they are non-professionals, bottom-feeders, with no sense of warfare. Where these long-bearded nincompoops will simply lay over and play dead, while the victorious Indian forces will vanquish them. This is how an Indian mind works. Which is entirely fine. Having a supremacist mindset only means you will keep making mistakes. =)

Yes India annexed Kashmir on Aug5 and not before. 370 meant Kashmir had its own constitution and flag. Not anymore.
Kashmir was physically annexed 70 years ago. It had million+ soldiers stationed in the valley, for decades. Just saying that Kashmir was somehow operating on its own, is just something that existed on paper. It'd nothing to do with reality.

Pak army not upping the ante after Aug5 is cowardly but sensible at the end. Economically weak Pak entering into full conflict with India risked balkanisation of Pak.
Pakistan actually went in fully knowing what it was going for. If IAF strike had killed any personnel on our end, it'd have been responded to in kind, that it did not, it got responded to the way it was. And the response was entire full-spectrum across multiple AORs on the LOC and naval.

LOL! @ balkanisation of Pakistan. As I said, I love the fact that Bollywood has your entire generation hooked on to this drip-feed of pipedreams. All it means is that whenever a response comes from Pakistan, you guys will lose your shit, as you did post-Abhinandan's arrest. =)
 
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This theory is very much valid and much debated in inner circles.

The heli may been shot down to add the two dead from Flanker in the crew of this Heli.

Than again too many shames in one day for IAF.
That was initally speculated..we had 6 on board..is it normal to have 6 people for search and rescue ?
 
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Actually they were not told to turn on IFF as IAF was still following peacetime procedures

Understandable, must've been trying to save on their electricity bill.


Threat level was reduced after Pak official spokespersons plus Pak media too started. Focusing on the narrative of reportedly no casualties in Balakot.
This led many here believe that No escalation will be done by Pak as Pak leadership now has ample narrative and political space to manuever.

Which is why standing CAPs were significantly reduced by IAF in morning.

After the said government and its military went on record saying that they will respond and respond soon? Which was then broadcast non-stop on said media?

Nobody in Indian government especially higher levels pays any attention to ISPR statements

Wouldn't blame them, hurts their feelings.


BTW, seeing your statements above, can't help but ask, what sort of a circus are you guys running there?
 
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Then why are your CDS and Army Chief still lamenting about terrorists about to be launched into IOK? What's changed, as per their own admission? Apparently nothing.
A lot has changed.
Since March 2019 till date, Kashmir saw the lowest security forces casualties in 30 years

After the said government and its military went on record saying that they will respond and respond soon? Which was then broadcast non-stop on said media?
No value given to their words here
 
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Dude, before feb26 Pak got away with lots of stuff on militancy front using nuclear escalation bogey to tie up India at LOC/border. Twice India brought its army to border and went back disappointed. 26Feb changed all that.

No other time had any nuclear power aerial directly bombed another nuclear power. Pak’s nuke bluff effectively call that day.

Pray do tell who these absolute morons were in Pakistan and India who actually believed that Pakistan would resort to nukes as soon as India dropped a handful of bombs? Bombs that clearly missed their target? You thought we had built the 6th largest military complex in the world for kicks?

The danger always was and still is of Indian stupidity being responded by Pakistan disproportionately (Exactly as it happened in February), which could then escalate to a full-blown war, which could then escalate to a nuclear exchange. Which is also why India did not respond to Pakistani strikes at all and de-escalated the whole thing before even the sting from the slap had gone away. Looks to me that the Pakistani nuclear deterrence worked brilliantly. If it was indeed a bluff and you did call it out why did you then not respond? Because India knows it's no bluff. Ended up having its place reaffirmed.

Off course 27Feb is disappointing for India. IAF losing an aircraft was not something that can’t happen in a skirmish but IAF not exacting a cost to PAF is. Why they were so unprepared knowing very well Pak will retaliate is a mystery.

What I'd be more worried about, if I were you, is how the Indian government and military scampered away with their tails tight between their cheeks after Feb 27. I mean, Pakistan bombs you and you have nothing in response? That is what happens when you start believing your own lies. Reality comes knocking.
 
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Mi-17 was shot down when air skirmish was in progress.

Mi-17 was coming towards Srinagar base and not going away from it, that's why it was mistaken as offensive enemy drone.

It's not possible that Mi17 crew would come back carrying hypothetical downed su30 pilots to the base within few minutes of their supposed shot down. The chopper was few hardly few KM away from the Base at the time of shot down. The fact is it was returned after doing it's routine sortie that day.

Really, the Indian radars couldn't distinguish between a drone and a Chopper knowing well that Pakistan only has small drones.... also according to you they assumed the drone had come in this far in broad daylight.
As i said whatever makes you tick but the fact is IAF and Indian ground defenses were in a complete panic that day.
 
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