I have the Indian jab in my arm and a power of good it did me."Boris Johnson praises India's work on #COVID19

[serenity]

SII of India didn't develop Astrozeneca. It "partnered up" to produce Astrozeneca.

That would be like China claiming credit for Apple when all it partnered up to produce Apple products. It's such misplaced and pointless pride but Indians want it because Indians like the talk part and presenting like pride and high tech capability when it is failing to.

The only tech field it is somewhat competent in is pharmaceuticals and everyone in the know on this understands it is simply nations producing their developed drugs in India to mass produce. There is so little actual development and new products researched and developed in Indian pharmaceutical industry ( in comparison to other giants in Pharma like western nations and even China ). Volkswagen "partnered up" with China to make cars back in 1970s. This doesn't mean China had the tech level of VW in the 1970s just because it partnered up to make their cars.

No more does SII have the tech level of any major developer of drugs and vaccines than the Chinese factory making VW cars has for car making tech. A partnered producer does not equal the tech tree access or mastering.

India's only bright spark in pharma is almost entirely in the producing for the actual developers and makers of drugs. Many also produce in other nations, A German drug company has manufacturing in India and could also have manufacturing of the drug in multiple other nations but Indian trolls will simply claim they have mastery of that tech.

It can often be in that form => produce, copy, copy and understand, copy and iterate, innovate. But of course not necessarily. For example some Japanese electronics went from produce and copy to innovate or didn't even need the first few steps.

India has no real own tech except in software. Software is an area India has its own total supply chain and mastery over because it is low barrier of entry as well. Many nations have software tech sector. Pharma isn't really one of those.

 

[Cheepek]

China manufactured it's own and multiple vaccines of adenovirus based type. India's SII just manufactured Astrozeneca. The Indian own vaccine is Covaxin.

While you troll about the effectiveness of Chinese vaccine, it was used fairly widely and it isn't just Astrozeneca. Its protection against death and severe illness was over 90% and over 80% respectively when trials were completed and done over the span of nearly a year in multiple nations. This was nearly the same level as Pfizer and BioNtech's vaccines. All vaccines had poor protection against symptomatic infection and these were all for alpha strain. They were all relatively useless against strains after Gamma.

All SII did was manufacture Astrozeneca. It isn't the TSMC of the world. TSMC actually develops its fab technologies while SII simply mass produce pharmaceuticals and actual development of pharmaceuticals is relatively a small portion of their work.

Why are Xitler's labourers so dumb?
Apart from Covaxin we have other vaccines Zycov-D, Corbevax, host of other vaccines like BBV154, BECOV2B, BECOV2C etc under trials, and also oral drugs.

What India still can't do is inject a billion of our population with saline water, multiple times.

Astrozeneca

You were taught English for a reason.

You had one job, just one and you are failing at that!

Rest of the copy paste pooh pooh tldr; stuff is ignored. No one pays me to read

 

[crankthatskunk]

In UK "Boris" is known as a liar.
He is spat on everyday by the public.

 

[jamahir]

What the f? Dude capitalism only exists since industrial age

No, Capitalism has existed for thousands of years ever since some idiots agreed that money - the means of obtaining goods and services in society which came about because barter system was getting impractical - can be imbalanced in society with some having more because of connections with the monarchs and the feudals and some having less and that those having less be socio-economically oppressed despite money being an artificial artifact. To that system other idiots added interest-based economics. Some cultures even have gods and goddesses for money and these divinities are guiltlessly worshiped every day without the worshipers thinking of those artificially unfortunate people who have less of money and having to unnecessarily suffer because of the lack of it. That is the basis of Capitalism and India being the most Capitalist society in human history where 350,000+ farmers can suicide for socio-economic reasons just between 1995 and 2015 and most of the bloody stupid middle class will not revolt against the system despite this unnecessary and artificial tragedy but will bloody spend time in time-honored Indian activities like religion, college degrees, cricket watching, procreating and adding a million more drones to the 1.4 billion population, feeding and protecting the five street dogs on their street and screaming deliriously "Mera desh hai mahaan". @bababho, this is my answer to you here too. Read it carefully.

For example, a colleague of mine joined Infosys as a ‘code monkey’ through campus selection. Today he designs renewable power systems for Siemens in India building on what he picked up at Infosys. Another went into aircraft design — building on experience he picked up at Infosys. These are not isolated cases.

What is the exact connection of renewable power systems and aircraft design with Infosys ? Please elaborate. And common, "educated" Indians are always late adopters in everything. Renewable energy systems are an old fashion. Now the American company NDB is developing a micro, device-level electricity generation system based on radioactive waste ( from nuclear power plants ) enclosed within artificial diamond. Others are working on exploiting the mass property of the omnipresent particles called neutrinos to create a micro energy converter and an Indian government organization called C-MET is collaborating on this. As for aircraft design people outside India are again looking at airships. So Infosys is nothing in the world of technology.

On software - Infosys is a farm. There are good, bright kids and then there are ‘code monkeys’ as you call them. At the end of the day even the likes of Infosys or TCS moves the buck forward and works as an enabler for future aspirations (for those with caliber).

They move only the useless salaries of useless people who mostly are right-wingers. Infosys has existed for 41 years and TCS for 54 years yet in their own chosen field of computing they could not put together two teams each to design a microprocessor, an operating system and novel storage systems ? And how many workers do they have ? Infosys has close to 300,000 and TCS has 528,748. Most of this massive number of workers will be computer engineers with many being PhDs, with many being "experienced" in the computer industry for decades. What have they achieved, these dolts, these wasters of oxygen, these polluters of the world with their stupid loan-taken cars and two-wheelers ? Yet useless Infosys and TCS are spoken of in hushed tones in India's idiotic society.

Your trying to put sense into a low level software employee who is frustrated with his day job.

Move on or eventually youll regret wasting your time on these fools.

If you mean me then I am not a "low level software employee" or partake in any component of the Indian IT industry. Heavens forbid ! Please read above.

History evident that we never colonized any country.

Incorrect :

March 5 marks the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Aizawl – the first air raid by the Indian Air Force on civilian territory within the country. This is as good a time as any to go beyond just questioning the morality of the bombing, or the complexities that led to it. It’s time to understand its legacy.

The story began in 1961, when the Mizo Hills were a part of the state of Assam. The Mizo National Front formed on October 28 that year, and asserted its right to self-determination. The group initially adopted a non-violent approach to secure its political objective. However, following intense internal pressure after human rights violations by security forces in the area, the Mizo National Front took up arms.

The battle begins

On February 28, 1966, the fighting volunteers of the Mizo National Front launched Operation Jericho to throw out Indian forces stationed in Mizoram – launching simultaneous attacks on Assam Rifles garrisons in Aizawl and Lunglei. The next day, the Mizo National Front declared independence from India.

Operation Jericho shocked the security forces stationed in the Mizo Hills – the insurgents swiftly managed to capture significant installations including the government treasury in Aizawl, and Army installations in Champhai and Lunglei districts.

The central government led by Indira Gandhi may have been taken by surprise, but the reprisal was swift. On March 5, four fighter jets of the Indian Air Force – French-built Dassault Ouragan fighters (nicknamed Toofanis), and British Hunters – were deployed to bomb Aizawl. Taking off from Tezpur, Kumbigram and Jorhat in Assam, the planes first used machine guns to fire at the town. They returned the next day to drop incendiary bombs. The strafing of Aizawl and other areas continued till March 13 even as the town’s panicked civilian population fled to the hills. The rebels were forced to retreat into the jungles of Myanmar and Bangladesh, which was then East Pakistan.

Colossal destruction

Recounting his memories of that day, Thangsanga, a veteran member of the Mizo National Front, said the bombing took them by surprise. “Our little town was suddenly encircled by four screaming jet fighters,” he said. “Suddenly, bullets rained and bombs were dropped. Burning buildings collapsed and there was dust and chaos everywhere. They hit the heart of Mizoram, but not the Mizo spirit”.

No one had imagined that the Union government would bomb its own territory. “It took us by surprise that the government had the courage to deploy jet fighters to bomb Aizawl that it dared not fly inside China or Pakistan,” said Remruata, a village council member. “Well, charity begins at home.”

The bombing caused colossal destruction with some reports saying Aizawl town had caught fire. Fortunately, only 13 civilians were killed.

The establishment – including the government and the armed forces – kept mum or even flatly denied that Aizawl had been bombed. Details only emerged decades later when several writers and former insurgents emerged with their accounts of the day the people in Aizwal saw planes shoot fire.

A March 9, 1966, report by the now-defunct Kolkata-daily, the Hindustan Standard, quoted Prime Minister Indira Gandhi as saying that the fighter jets had been sent in to airdrop men and supplies, not bombs. But the question was, why would anyone deploy fighter jets to drop rations?

Zo nationalism

Since 2008, Mizoram has observed March 5 as Zoram Ni or Zoram Day. The idea is to revive the idea of self-determination and instil the importance of sacrifice among the younger generation. “Self-determination is our birthright,” said Malsawma, a member of the Zo-Reunification Organisation or ZORO. “We cannot allow our land and peoples to be divided in India, Bangladesh and Burma [Myanmar] in the name of democracy, a republic or anything else. Our resolution remains that we are united as one people in our own land. Not the Britishers’ land, not Indian land, but in Zo-land”.

Zamawia, another ZORO member, said he strongly believed that the Mizos right to self-determination was unquestionably attached to Zo nationalism.

The bombing helped strengthen Zo nationalism said Zarzosanga, a Mizo scholar. “The bombing of Aizawl did not deter or detach the heart of Zo nationalism,” he said. “Instead it makes Zo nationalism more evident and alive and outside the interest and understanding of Indian nationalism. The bomb actually othered the Mizos from India and Indians. The blunder made by the government of India with its decision to bomb Aizawl was an affirmation and acknowledgment of Mizo nationalism."

Marked as the ‘other’

The bombing may have managed to crush the Mizo uprising but it also helped usher in two more decades of insurgency. Following the bombing, the Union government implemented what it termed the “regrouping of villages” in which thousands of Mizos deep in the hills and hamlets of what is now Mizoram were forcefully displaced – their homes and villages burned – and relocated in centres along an arterial highway under armed guard ostensibly so that the Indian state could keep an eye on them.

Though the state of Mizoram was formed in 1987 after the Union government and the Mizo National Front signed the Mizoram Peace Accord, today, Zo nationalism – an ideological formulation of Zo peoples fragmented by the process of decolonisation and spread across India, Myanmar and Bangladesh – continues to assert itself.

“The horror of that day still haunts every Mizo,” said Lalremruata, a progressive member of the Zo-Reunification Organisation. “But the positive aspect is that it inspires us to secure Zo nationalism, which is already crossing national boundaries”.

For the Mizos, Aizawl is the heart of their identity and belonging. During the fight for Indian Independence, Mizos had been left on the periphery. The bombing of Aizawl to secure the Indian nation state further paralysed the Mizos from sharing in the notion of Indian nationalism. The excessive action simply helped to cement the feeling of otherness within the Mizos vis-à-vis the rest of India.

Was that the only option available to the Union government at the time? Whatever the answer, it was clearly the military and political weapon used to assert mainland India’s dominance over the Mizos.

We should also mention Kashmir. And if we go long back - 3000 years back - then "we" colonized South Asia after having arrived from Iranic lands.

Rest of the copy paste pooh pooh tldr; stuff is ignored. No one pays me to read

So you will read only when someone pays you ? Not for knowledge ? Not for debate ? All this despite you being on a discussion forum ? Although yes, the BJP IT Cell must be paying you 500 rupees per post, yes ?

 

[LakeHawk180]

What is the exact connection of renewable power systems and aircraft design with Infosys ? Please elaborate. And common, "educated" Indians are always late adopters in everything. Renewable energy systems are an old fashion. Now the American company NDB is developing a micro, device-level electricity generation system based on radioactive waste ( from nuclear power plants ) enclosed within artificial diamond. Others are working on exploiting the mass property of the omnipresent particles called neutrinos to create a micro energy converter and an Indian government organization called C-MET is collaborating on this. As for aircraft design people outside India are again looking at airships. So Infosys is nothing in the world of technology.

Look before you leap sir. They are involved everywhere from aerospace and defense to waste management and utilities.

On aerospace, Airbus and Boeing has been outsourcing design projects to Infosys for over a decade now.

Same for TCS.

The remainder of your argument is mostly perspective or just plain false.

Not much I can do to change it.

Avionics for Aerospace and Defense – Offerings I Infosys

The Infosys Aerospace and Defense practice offers software and hardware development services for avionics systems

www.infosys.com

Renewables

www.infosys.com

There are a ton of white papers in there too.

 

[serenity]

Why are Xitler's labourers so dumb?
Apart from Covaxin we have other vaccines Zycov-D, Corbevax, host of other vaccines like BBV154, BECOV2B, BECOV2C etc under trials, and also oral drugs.

What India still can't do is inject a billion of our population with saline water, multiple times.


You were taught English for a reason.

You had one job, just one and you are failing at that!

Rest of the copy paste pooh pooh tldr; stuff is ignored. No one pays me to read

Boring troll stuff. You ignore stuff because you think this is some Indian vaccine when it is simply Indian license produced AZ vaccine. I don't see anyone else license producing it brag like Indians do. And then all you can do is attack others and do whataboutism.

Anyway enjoy your supa powan status Indian.

World dominating Indian supa powa pharmaceutical because it can license produce AZ vaccine. That's all the proof required. That's it arguments over. India is da best and wins everything. Xitler sucks and winnie the pooh injects Chinkis with saline water! An Indian says it online it must be true. Very strange how that Chinese "saline water vaccine" has been independently tested and trialed against Alpha strain in multiple countries and completed phase III trials and the end result in all trials found it to be 70% to 90% effective in preventing severe illness and over 90% effective in preventing death. That's some saline water. Go focus only on effectiveness against symptoms (mild illness) and against Delta strain and beyond if you want and ignore that Pfizer AZ and other vaccines are also ineffective against Delta and beyond and also much less effective against protecting against symptoms and transmission.

 

[Cheepek]

Boring troll stuff. You ignore stuff because you think this is some Indian vaccine when it is simply Indian license produced AZ vaccine. I don't see anyone else license producing it brag like Indians do. And then all you can do is attack others and do whataboutism.

Anyway enjoy your supa powan status Indian.

World dominating Indian supa powa pharmaceutical because it can license produce AZ vaccine. That's all the proof required. That's it arguments over. India is da best and wins everything. Xitler sucks and winnie the pooh injects Chinkis with saline water! An Indian says it online it must be true. Very strange how that Chinese "saline water vaccine" has been independently tested and trialed against Alpha strain in multiple countries and completed phase III trials and the end result in all trials found it to be 70% to 90% effective in preventing severe illness and over 90% effective in preventing death. That's some saline water. Go focus only on effectiveness against symptoms (mild illness) and against Delta strain and beyond if you want and ignore that Pfizer AZ and other vaccines are also ineffective against Delta and beyond and also much less effective against protecting against symptoms and transmission.

Saline water so effective that Hungary was injecting people with 4th dose back in January!

Infact, any country that has any other alternative and no compulsion will throw the 50 shades of Sino Sino Shit vaccines in the bin!

 

[serenity]

Saline water so effective that Hungary was injecting people with 4th dose back in January!

Infact, any country that has any other alternative and no compulsion will throw the 50 shades of Sino Sino Shit vaccines in the bin!

lol yeah India's the bestest. Jai Hindi bindi!

lol and yet India produced its own after more than a year after others and no one wants to buy it themselves. The bestest pharma country on planet bharati.

 

[Cheepek]

lol yeah India's the bestest. Jai Hindi bindi!

I guess that's the limit of PayPerPostjeevi, so enjoy!

 

[serenity]

I guess that's the limit of PayPerPostjeevi, so enjoy!

lol that's honestly your cope.

Very classic indian behavior. Imagine a reality that isn't true and then absolutely devote full belief into it.

Go ahead and keep believing whatever feels good. I already agreed with you bro India is bestest! and a supa powan.

 

[jamahir]

Look before you leap sir. They are involved everywhere from aerospace and defense to waste management and utilities.

Same for TCS. The remainder of your argument is mostly perspective. Not much I can do to change it.

Avionics for Aerospace and Defense – Offerings I Infosys

The Infosys Aerospace and Defense practice offers software and hardware development services for avionics systems

www.infosys.com

Renewables

www.infosys.com

There are a ton of white papers in there too.

I am a careful and considerate person so I look before I criticize or condemn anything. These companies are glorified systems assemblers and advisers. They don't design and create anything themselves. In the computing field I am a light year ahead of their hundreds of thousands of engineers, team leaders and project heads but I won't say how. About Infosys the pictures on the page are not from India. India is among the top three polluters in the world so I don't see how Infosys helped removed that status. And as I said, photovoltaic electricity generation will soon be obsolete.

The remainder of your argument is mostly perspective. Not much I can do to change it.

Many things are perspectives including the Big Bang Theory yet many accept it yet recently some astrophysicists have agreed that the universe has always existed ( I believed in this always ) and that the Big Bang might have been just one event among many.

I guess that's the limit of PayPerPostjeevi, so enjoy!

Your Dear Leader Modi declared that those who dare protest against him are Aandolanjeevis. Why are you not an aandolanjeevi, my dear Cheepek ? Everyone should be seeing as we live in a rotten society which has to be changed.

 

[Cheepek]

I am a careful and considerate person so I look before I criticize or condemn anything. These companies are glorified systems assemblers and advisers. They don't design and create anything themselves. In the computing field I am a light year ahead of their hundreds of thousands of engineers, team leaders and project heads but I won't say how. About Infosys the pictures on the page are not from India. India is among the top three polluters in the world so I don't see how Infosys helped removed that status. And as I said, photovoltaic electricity generation will soon be obsolete.



Many things are perspectives including the Big Bang Theory yet many accept it yet recently some astrophysicists have agreed that the universe has always existed ( I believed in this always ) and that the Big Bang might have been just one event among many.



Your Dear Leader Modi declared that those who dare protest against him are Aandolanjeevis. Why are you not an aandolanjeevi, my dear Cheepek ? Everyone should be seeing as we live in a rotten society which has to be changed.

 

[jamahir]

The joke's on you and @Sudarshan who thanked you. Mukesh Ambani is a joke in the world. He built a two-billion-dollar 27-storey "house" for a family of four with a private temple and six storeys just for his 168 cars. This in a city where 42 percent of the population lives in slums, four to five people in a shack, many not far from Ambani's house. Anyone who does not see the injustice and disparity in this is an idiot. So you don't be one. This what even fellow billionaire Ratan Tata said about Ambani's "house" :

Public reception​

Tata Group former chairman Ratan Tata said Antilia is an example of rich Indians' lack of empathy for the poor.[41] Tata said, "The person who lives in there should be concerned about what he sees around him and asking how he can make a difference. If he cannot, then it's sad because this country needs people to allocate some of their enormous wealth to finding ways of mitigating the hardship that people have. [41] It makes me wonder why someone would do that. That's what revolutions are made of."

You glorify Ambani but think if telecom had been made a free human right ( which it should have been ) and personal cars and two-wheelers had been banned ( which they should have been in favor of buses and taxis and how these buses and taxis if are electric ) then Ambani's business empire will crumble.

 

[Wergeland]

Have some self respect Boris. Stop kissing hindutva ***.

 

[bababho]

@bababho, this is my answer to you here too. Read it carefully.

That is your interpretation, Capitalism most of us are referring to is a recent phenomenon (post industrial age) and in Indian context it is super nascent

You may be correct in theoretically but the point is we as a society have moved in the right direction in last decade (purchasing power, income levels, affordability have gone up significantly and this cohort is expanding, initially there were handful of people in each localities having these privileges)

If you think your approach is the right one then pursue, set up organisations, cities, localities as per your world view then sane ones will follow if they see better life.

There was a rat race for Govt Jobs, There was a rat race for Engineering, there was a rat race for Computer Science, there will be a rat race for Crypto, There will be rat race for web 3.0, why because all of them have proven success stories

Crying out loud, acting rebel is not helping you / society/ anyone. If you have conviction prove your self instead of being negative & destructive

Ambanis journey is from a factor labor to $ 100 billion empire in less than 100 years and this capitalism story sells in the market, create a better story and people will follow you