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I am a Muslim. Nobody forced me to convert”

The only issue here is that conversion to Islam seems to be a one way street.

You can become a Muslim but cannot change your mind after that. It’s a bit like jumping into a hole , you better be sure that hole is comfortable because there’s no ladder out of it!
 
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The only issue here is that conversion to Islam seems to be a one way street.

You can become a Muslim but cannot change your mind after that. It’s a bit like jumping into a hole , you better be sure that hole is comfortable because there’s no ladder out of it!
Meanwhile the other day I watched a documentary where a Hindu converts to Islam... Only to convert back to Hinduism later...

It's jumping from a hole into a frying pan... Lol

This is akin to one claiming that no one caged me. I voluntarily caged myself. The concept of religion is stupid. Only an atheist would know what freedom is.
Okay, so what freedom do you have that I don't?

Oh wait pork and alcohol?
Sorry man not interested...
 
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The only issue here is that conversion to Islam seems to be a one way street.

You can become a Muslim but cannot change your mind after that. It’s a bit like jumping into a hole , you better be sure that hole is comfortable because there’s no ladder out of it!

The real issue is the poison that conversion injects into one's family and social life. Taught to hate and hold in contempt everything that does not comply with their narrow beliefs.

No one would have cared if the conversion was into a faith that taught respect for others. THAT is the elephant in the room No one wants to talk about.

They prefer to ignore it and pretend that it does not exist. To admit that it exist is to be "communal".
 
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Meanwhile the other day I watched a documentary where a Hindu converts to Islam... Only to convert back to Hinduism later...

It's jumping from a hole into a frying pan... Lol


Okay, so what freedom do you have that I don't?

Oh wait pork and alcohol?
Sorry man not interested...


The freedom to change your mind.


About anything “not allowed”

Islam is the only modern religion that advocates death for apostasy.

Change that and attitudes to conversion will change
 
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Not sure what you mean dude?

I was referring to Islamic attitude towards apostasy.

I don’t thin

Islam is the only modern religion that advocates death to apostates.

That is indefensible.

By anyone.

In the 21st century.

Remove that and attitudes will change.


I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys, but there is no injunction in Holy Quran where death for apostasy is mentioned.... Neither there exists such a law in Pak, Turkey, etc not sure about ksa or Iran.
 
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys, but there is no injunction in Holy Quran where death for apostasy is mentioned.... Neither there exists such a law in Pak, Turkey, etc not sure about ksa or Iran.
Here you go bro 4:89. I’m sure you can re interpret to suit modern needs. But the original is what it is.

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Ok, so I’m out of this thread as discussing religion on pdf is not allowed.
 
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Here you go bro 4:89. I’m sure you can re interpret to suit modern needs. But the original is what it is.

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Ok, so I’m out of this thread as discussing religion on pdf is not allowed.

That is not about Aposty. Apostasy killing comes from the sharia.
 
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Here you go bro 4:89. I’m sure you can re interpret to suit modern needs. But the original is what it is.

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Ok, so I’m out of this thread as discussing religion on pdf is not allowed.

LMAO Hahahahaha .... I've read this verse in context several times... In fact it was part of my Islamic Jurisprudence syllabus at Univ.....

This verse has three problems:

That's not the right translations..

You are not quoting the whole/comoletw stanza.

You are misquoting it... Out of context.


This verse is regarding war/jihad...(Jihad in Islam has several laws relating to its do and don'ts...lol

It says that in war, don't take shelter or befriend the enemies.. As they will/can be persuaded or forced to give you up.
And that offer them peace before war...
And if they reject peace and attack you or want to fight you than destroy them... But even if during war they submit and surrender accept them.. Etc


In the end God tells Muslims to not transgress and be cruel because God doesn't like transgressors and that transgressors shall be punished.

That is not about Aposty. Apostasy killing comes from the sharia.
LMAO... Post a link to so called Sharia.

Kiddo Sharia "laws" don't exist..
Sharia is basically everything Quran says...
 
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Here you go bro 4:89. I’m sure you can re interpret to suit modern needs. But the original is what it is.

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Ok, so I’m out of this thread as discussing religion on pdf is not allowed.
That verse is regarding a WAR. Muslim soldiers are asked to slay the enemy soldier where ever find them. All Wars are like that either you kill the enemy or get killed on the battlefield.
 
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LMAO... Post a link to so called Sharia.

Kiddo Sharia "laws" don't exist..
Sharia is basically everything Quran says...

If sharia is everything the quran says, then you would not need a sharia.

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
 
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Where do your voice & all your Muslim community voice goes when Hindu boy is harassed or not even allowed to speak to a Muslim girl.


We don't want any Hindu girl to suffer like how the Muslim woman suffers with men. It's our right to protect our women, unless women & religion has equality in practices.




I appeal to all Non Muslim Indians (Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Parsis) to thrash such Muslim mob boys when you see them, if not this one sided injustice will never end. We cannot talk or have a relationship with Muslim girls, but when they have we should convert & also not say a word. We are branded as Hindu nationals or RSS. Let us proudly claim we are one & stand for these innocents protection


What should our Non Muslim men do to Muslim men going around with Non Muslim women. Muslims will immediately suppress such people's voice. Wait & watch they will get me banned for showing truth. You can suppress voices temporarily, but reality won't change. Unless Muslims change their approach towards others & be equal, these voices will keep increasing across the world.
Social status at work here in both cases be Hindu girls marrying Muslim boys in India or Muslim girls marrying Hindu boys there. Otherwise Indian stars both Hindu women married Muslim guys and Muslim women married Hindu guys in your FILM Industry BUT no Sanghi NO extremist Hindu group has any issue with that. These Hindu groups have only issue with poor Hindu girls marrying Muslim boys. same goes for Indian Muslim mob.
 
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If sharia is everything the quran says, then you would not need a sharia.

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
Awww cute, non verified quotes.

For us Muslim's the life of Prophet PBUH and Holy Quran are guiding light not non verified quotes...


And just last year a guy officially changed his religion to Judaism in Pakistan...
 
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LMAO Hahahahaha .... I've read this verse in context several times... In fact it was part of my Islamic Jurisprudence syllabus at Univ.....

This verse has three problems:

That's not the right translations..

You are not quoting the whole/comoletw stanza.

You are misquoting it... Out of context.


This verse is regarding war/jihad...(Jihad in Islam has several laws relating to its do and don'ts...lol

It says that in war, don't take shelter or befriend the enemies.. As they will/can be persuaded or forced to give you up.
And that offer them peace before war...
And if they reject peace and attack you or want to fight you than destroy them... But even if during war they submit and surrender accept them.. Etc


In the end God tells Muslims to not transgress and be cruel because God doesn't like transgressors and that transgressors shall be punished.


LMAO... Post a link to so called Sharia.

Kiddo Sharia "laws" don't exist..
Sharia is basically everything Quran says...
Dude, how ancient verses are interpreted depends on who does the interpretation.

In all likelihood, you are a decent guy not given to random violence, so you interpret it to your liking. Your next door neighbor maybe a depressed person who can’t find a job, he will be inclined to interpret it differently ...and unfortunately as we all know thre are a lot of youth who do just that.
 
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