I accept facts and share my view on Jammu and Kashmir

[Stephen Cohen]

Sorry but I am not agree with you...... Also, I have many questions...

1. Were Kashmiri violating before 1989. Also, were terrorist activity happening before 1989?
2. If yes than it could be a indian failure and Seriously India has to look on Kashmir policy.
3. If not, Can we consider that Kashmiri were happy and Indian Kashmir was very peaceful State after 1947?
4. Is J&K land importnat for Pakistan compare to Kashmiri. I am saying that if u will say that we will arm kashmiri people and provide all kind of support than ultimately, who will be going to suffer? If u say India than I would say yes but Kashmir people will be more suffering. Also, Pakistan is suffering from many years due love with proxy war since Afghan - Soviet War.
5. I am very much practical man and don't find any realistic reason to change anything near future. talks will start again but it will take some times

You are not framing coherent sentences

It is not possible to understand what are you trying to say

 

[Sankpal]

You are not framing coherent sentences

It is not possible to understand what are you trying to say

I want to say that :-

1. Was Violation happening before 1989?
If Yes,
Than I would say, It's India Fault. India has to look Kashmir policy.
If not,
Can we consider that Kashmiri were happy before 1989 and Indian Kashmir was very peaceful State after 1948?

@Stephen , I would like to know about Indian kashmir status before 1989. I don't no much about Indian Kashmir situation.

 

[ChennaiDude]

[QUOTE="American Pakistani, post: 8545341, member: 28088"]tamiaddu[/QUOTE]
What is that!....If you are referring to the state of "TamilNadu"...... You have no idea what you are jabbering about.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I want to say that :-

1. Was Violation happening before 1989?
If Yes,
Than I would say, It's India Fault. India has to look Kashmir policy.
If not,
Can we consider that Kashmiri were happy before 1989 and Indian Kashmir was very peaceful State after 1948?

@Stephen , I love to know about Indian kashmir status before 1989. I don't no much about Indian Kashmir situation.

Dont rake up issues which are buried

Kashmir has always been a battle in which we have had to use all tricks and tools
including mean and nasty ones

That is because we WANT the land ; Damn it

We went back on our promises -- SO WHAT
There is no place for emotions here

As far back as in 1975 ; Indira Gandhi said to Sheikh Abdullah

The clock cannot be turned back

You cannot be NICE where territory is involved -- you have to be ruthless

 

[ChennaiDude]

A single removal of Article 370 removal for 1 Decade is more than enough. The people from Punjab, will take over all the Buisness and Land.

No offence to my Mallu brothers!.... @zebra7 .....Our southern Brothers from Kerala will beat you Punjabi's to it..

IT does nt matter what Muslims want

What will happen is what Hindus want

Nope!....What Indian's want..Please edit that.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No offence to my Mallu brothers!.... @zebra7 .....Our southern Brothers for kerala will beat you Punjabi's to it..

Take all BHAIYAS from UP and Bihar ; they will do all the heavy lifting

Nope!....What Indian's want..Please edit that.

I wont ; and I am NOT apologetic about it

Kashmir is a Hindu Muslim Battle

 

[ChennaiDude]

Take all BHAIYAS from UP and Bihar ; they will do all the heavy lifting



I wont ; and I am NOT apologetic about it

Kashmir is a Hindu Muslim Battle

No brother!..What makes India great is that what ever issues we may have, but when it comes to Nation we are one ...!

 

[UKBengali]

IF and WHEN India, Will disintegrate will not be because it's multi ethnic but because it's a loose federation created by colonialism

On the contrary it's multi ethnicity is a strength rather than a weakness

History is full of homogeneous nations that have disintegrated as well

Name one homogenous nation that has disintegrated?

 

[forcetrip]

They also say 3rd World will be fought over water. But that doesn't make it certain.

My friend war isn't solution to that. And I repeat there are and there will be better options for both sides to Handel the problem. War isn't one of them.

War is assured loss to both sides and both sides are sane enough to understand that.

I will rest my case here cause I think you have made your mind on the thing that it's going to happen. And I fail to see why. So agree to disagree.

Not once have I said that war is a solution to any problem and I agree with you that there are better ways to handle any problem. We disagree that you consider it not happening while I am saying that war is inevitable considering how things are being handled presently. We are wasting water, not communicating, over populating and not educating. I do not see how war will not happen in the next 20 to 30 years.

 

[American Pakistani]

I don't need to make personal attacks. Just keep on egging you on, and you do all the heavy lifting. The way you've exposed yourself (!) itself is a treat. Now that facade of false rage falls apart and we all get to see what we get to see - a frustrated little wanna be sitting in the US and writing hot little rants, hoping it will get him attention.

It does get you attention, but it gets you attention as a clown.

I look forward to your next suicidal reply.

You know you every post come and entertain as a disturbed clown...I never said that cuz I respect the title you got...title gone and see how.....

Haha funny and frustrated you, ask anyone your all posts are filled with personal attacks, I believe I annoy your little bharti feeling.

Sorry for late reply.

Matter of fact I have seen it. I even had read the book written by Musshi.

Gen. Musharraf is a proven liar. Fact. So forgive me for not believing his words. And history has proven him wrong many times. So let's move to any other source if you have.

Do you have anything else to support the claim besides gen. ???
Isn't there anybody on PDF from PA who can break down numbers ????

Information about IA in public domain can be verified.

Everyone is lier, only india is truth and milk.

Here you go sir, one more link for the numbers, but that's it I can't spoon feed you if you don't wanna believe, which I know you won't as an indian so there is no point...

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/140221-The-tragedy-of-Kashmir

 

[adil_minhas]

Kashmir is a Hindu Muslim Battle

So should I stop fighting by your side brother?

Should the shias in Kashmir stop supporting the state?

 

[Sergi]

Everyone is lier, only india is truth and milk.

to lie is human nature and it doesn't need nationality. Point is one who caught lieing lose his credibility. Same goes for Pak or India or USA or China. To make more easy few guys in US state department made a fool of themselves few months ago. I hope you knew what I mean.

If you want me prove Gen. Lied publicly more than anybodyelse. Why only he knows. But that took a hit on his credibility

Here you go sir, one more link for the numbers, but that's it I can't spoon feed you if you don't wanna believe, which I know you won't as an indian so there is no point...

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/140221-The-tragedy-of-Kashmir

As an Indian I am open to all opinions and I make my opinion on facts and NOT on beliefs. So forgive me for not believing.

I follow the American line here " Show me or you don't have it "

I will go through your link and will reply if I find anything that's not already on table.

Edit: The article doesn't add anything it is only repeating what you are saying that to without any sources at least you are referring Gen the wrtiter didn't do that too. If you remember when Bush Jr was shown as a Google search of "liar". It was just the effect of Google algorithm. If I have to change it all I to do is feed Google what I wanted it to show. But I am not part of any propaganda team to do that.

All I have to do is

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
- Vladmir Lenin

and just add tags that are my targets

I will rest my case here. Won't bother you anymore. Good day

 

[Sergi]

Not once have I said that war is a solution to any problem and I agree with you that there are better ways to handle any problem. We disagree that you consider it not happening while I am saying that war is inevitable considering how things are being handled presently. We are wasting water, not communicating, over populating and not educating. I do not see how war will not happen in the next 20 to 30 years.

My dear friend,You are not understanding what I am saying. I am not denying the problems you mentioned. In fact there are tons of more problems.

But there won't be any direct war.
Reasons:
- to fight a war one country need to be more powerful than other so there is a change of winning. In our case nukes take out that possibility
- to solve the dire problems nobody create bigger problems. Just think if water issue between 2 countries trigger a war there will be more shortage of water than it already was !!! With bigger chances enemy just contaminating the water rendering it useless !!!! And making war senseless.

- not On/for land of Kashmir. If we take in account of PA gen. Opinions during Kargil, they believe IA would have opened a second front if the heights remained occupied. I can't quote the names but yes that was very much possibility and even IN was mobilised.
That was the reason Kargil was tonned down and escalations where kept under control

- The blood for war : the blood for war is the " political power , international relations and economy " India has everything more than Pakistan has or will have in near future. And by going Pak's luck of finding itself on the opposite side of the world opinion will make it more hard.
On other hand evenif India has or will have more than Pak Indian need isn't met. We need more cause we are growing and currently more focused on China than Pakistan. So India will avoid any unnecessary trouble. But India might use China policy and help Afgan to its feet keeping Pak busy on that borders

The worst thing that can and might happen is increase in numbers of proxies.

But still no war. We don't even considered international pressure here. Their investments in India make them part of problems

 

[Athen]

@Sergi Please upgrade figures to 7,000,00000 troops ... ask him the breakdown of figures for units, see how he attributes it to Uncle Musharraf .. He is another one of those who will be hard pressed to even count how many troops make a RR unit, even with all the data available online and in open sources!!!

Sadly, majority are that ways.

@PARIKRAMA what happened to you today? Putting a damper on emotions of school kids? LOL ... what you have typed - people will need a good amount of Lactulose to help them.

@Stephen Cohen Oi. For once surprise me with something pragmatic, please. We don't have 7 lac troops there and when you all start writing that figure for troops in valley, the google algorithm picks it up and it becomes a 'fact' for dullards all over. When will you ever understand the consequences of your action and statements??

Google algorithm is a b!tch!! Same thing happened with modi pics in top terrorists!!

 

[baajey]

Remove Article 370 - things will start to fall in place .

that should be coupled with abolishing AFSPA. all sticks and no carrots is not the way forward.
let the ppl of kashmir be the stakeholders of their destiny ( that doesnt mean give them independence). only then, they will understand the value of funds. now, they are used to the fact that funds will keep coming (article 370) and its ok for us to keep pelting stones (i do accept that heavy presence of security is counterproductive and the current crop is proving that ).
the endless cycle of FIRs, PSAs should be dropped against offenders and they should be given a chance to start life afresh ( but this magnanimosity by the indians should be publicly advertised, lest the offenders take this as pur weakness).